WTF is wrong with you? I'm not offtopic (the topic of the joke was murder, I couldn't be more on topic), nor further down this thread, flamebait.
Seriously, someone died, two children lost their mother (and father). Write a joke if you want, I never said not to, but don't rag on me for pointing out a real-life tragedy is what you're all laughing at.
I realize it only takes a handful of morons to swing moderation around one way or the other, but ffs. Way to promote Linux, and fight the image that Linux is for arrested development, socially awkward little boys burrowed deep into their mother's basement. "Oh no! He pointed out something that a grown up and mature person might think on a joke about murder. Burn him!"
That's besides the point. A dispassionate, amoral outsider would see things like you are putting it, but as a human, taking such a stance is more than mildly absurd.
You have to put everything in life into perspective, or else you lose what the big picture is.
And part of that perspective is how humans feel about something. Being dispassionate, when dealing with people, is to deliberately obscure perspective and the "big picture".
You're taking the position that you don't see any difference from promoting legal inequality based on race, and even murder and genocide, and having a bunch of strange costumed aliens as a kid's show, since it's all a matter of opinion.
Again, it's all perspective.
Correct. One is a murderous, oppressive regime that brought the entire world into conflict, resulting in the deaths of tens of millions of people, the other is a kid's show. There's no equating the two. To do is fundamentally idiotic. I can't believe there is some group of morons out there modding me down for saying some things are worse than others.
The victor gets the honor of writing history. Lets continue using WWII as an example. I've seen people's faces when they found out Germany was planning to develop a nuclear weapon to attack the continental United States. Oh the outrage. In hearing that Germany could do such an outrageous thing, they forgot the United States did it twice to Japan. "Oh, but that was different, it ended the war."
Um, yeah, not all inqualities are equally unequal. Nazi a-bombs and US a-bombs aren't as different as Teletubbies and Nazis. They are still different, and I'm still very glad (as are many Germans, don't forget), that the Germans never developed an atomic bomb.
I understand looking at something from someone else's point of view, but to equate all points of view because they are all subjective is fucking insane. If someone wants to rape and murder you and your family, are you going to say, "well, I can't really say he's wrong and I'm right for not wanting him to do that, since from his perspective...".
No! Of course not.
Free speech is free. At no point did I say "You're stupid, shut up!" or "You can't say that!":)
I know you didn't. But the post you first responded do was me responding to someone who said that to me.
Remember, perspective and the big picture. These aren't just abstract ideas, but important for communication.
In fact, I wonder why you're even arguing with me? If you hold that all points of view are equally valid, then should't you agree with me? That I'm perfectly correct, just like everyone else, no matter how different or contradictory our views are?
There are appropriate and inappropriate times to speak, which isn't censorship, it's manners. Like the Congressman who yelled "You lie!" during the President's speech a few days ago. He shouldn't have done that. It was inappropriate it and impolite.
And that's all I said. In fact, it's more than I said. All I said was that a murder joke regarding ReiserFS has behind it a very real tragedy, and it's good to keep that in mind.
I would prefer that he had not have done it, but I won't be the one to say that he can't do it.
And I never said the joke-maker can't make such jokes. I just wanted to point out an important perspective, and the bigger picture. Two things which seem rather important to you.
That doesn't really mean much other than they're hedging their bets. They could just as easily pull the plug[*] on Spotify as broaden it's scope.
For them, this is more of an experiment, like Hulu, and there's no reasonable certainty that they won't shut everything down tomorrow if they fear it will undermine their traditional revenue models.
[*] By "pull the plug", I mean revoking any licensing for the project, if they can, and if they can't (perhaps UK/EU law treats Spotify as a radio station with compulsory licensing, I don't know), then at the very least do everything they can to destabilize Spotify's business model, the way the RIAA/ASCAP have been trying to do in the US with regards to online radio stations.
False equivalency. You've just equated Nazis and the KKK with Teletubbies in terms of offensiveness. Bravo.
That really depends on who you ask. Ask a proud KKK member, and they'll probably say the Teletubbies. Well, after the blacks, jews, and... well, anyone not white. I'd say ask a Nazi, but... well... all that's left are very old men and the "neo-nazi"'s.
That's besides the point. A dispassionate, amoral outsider would see things like you are putting it, but as a human, taking such a stance is more than mildly absurd.
You're taking the position that you don't see any difference from promoting legal inequality based on race, and even murder and genocide, and having a bunch of strange costumed aliens as a kid's show, since it's all a matter of opinion.
As a matter of free speech, I agree that we should be dispassionate, but when it comes to how each of us feels about something, it's unnatural and inhuman. I would never tell anyone they can't tell a certain joke, or whatever, but I do think it's completely reasonable to point out the bigger picture upon which a joke rests.
I don't care if I offend KKK members, or Nazis/neo-Nazis. Perhaps the original joke-poster at the start of all this doesn't care if he offended anyone. I suspect he really didn't think about it one way or the other and just thought it was a funny joke, which is why I posted what I did.
If he does care, then maybe my pointing it out was helpful, if not, then maybe someone else found it useful, or not. It doesn't bother me much, I wasn't personally offended, nor am I offended if someone doesn't like what I wrote. I was offended at the notion that I should keep my opinion to myself.
But, I shouldn't even be writing this, since you've clearly stepped into Godwin's law territory.
[ducking from massive -100 Godwin Violation moderations]
I *think* we're safe so long as we don't equate anyone in the discussion or under discussion with being a Nazi. Welcome to life on the edge!:D
This type of problem should be seen as a good thing, and provide a clue for the music labels. They already serve the public when it comes to purchasing music with CDs and DRM-free downloads (finally!). Now they have an opportunity to serve the public with streaming music.
They tried something similar with rentals, but people don't really seem to like it that much. Streaming (for a fee) is a *lot* like renting, but since you never have the music on your hard drive or media player, it doesn't feel like you're losing anything once the subscription expires. Mixing owned and rented music doesn't seem to be that desirable. But with the clear demarcation between owned and streamed, it's much more enticing.
I know I'd prefer to stream than to rent. Hopefully the labels will see this as an opportunity, and not a threat, and bring this to the US.
Yeah, I know, placing hope on the intelligence of the music industry is a recipe for disappointment, but what the hell, right?
Now this is something I don't understand. How do these jokes cause any harm to Reiser's wife's children or family?
Emotional and psychological harm.
Every time someone makes a joke about something that, for some reason, "shouldn't be taken lightly", there are people expressing their outrage about how it was wrong to make it.
I didn't express outrage. I just pointed out that there's a real tragedy behind those jokes.
Everything is offensive to someone
False equivalency. You've just equated Nazis and the KKK with Teletubbies in terms of offensiveness. Bravo.
we should all realize that being offended doesn't harm you in any way
Did my post harm you? If not, then why not skip over it and, well, I'll let you finish...
and you can just skip over to the next comment and let people who want to laugh about something do so.
Oh, fuck off. I can post my opinion just the same as you can. It's absurd to suggest I can't point out the severe weight behind a topic being made light of.
File permissions security isn't all that useful on removable media like it is on the boot drive (and other internal drives).
If a drive is portable, you can bypass any security permissions by simply plugging it into a computer where you are root, or compiling your own kernel or filesystem driver to ignore permissions.
The default behavior for external drives (esp. flash drives) should be to completely ignore ownership permissions, with the option to enforce them if you really want to. Anything more strict and you make things harder for you, but no harder for someone with their own box.
Not sure I'd use Reiser - I hear it's murder on your USB drive.
It's easy to make fun of Reiser, the murderer, but don't forget, your laughs are at the expense of an innocent woman who was brutally murdered as well as two orphaned children.
The filters you are talking about are affixed to the CCD/CMOS. The filters on Hubble are interchangeable (more similar to lens filters on SLR and similar cameras). The cameras on Hubble have dozens of filters to choose from.
The other benefit is that on a standard 3 color CCD, you end up combining four pixels to create one full color pixel. With Hubble, you get to use all four pixels independently because they all share the same filter.
Um, no. It can play back a 720p H.264 video, no problem.
The notion here was that the Zune HD was more powerful than the iPod/iPhone (just calling it iPod from here on out) because it could play HD videos, not because it can display them (neither the Zune HD nor the iPod can).
The iPod screen is higher resolution than the Zune HD, which, when it comes to displaying HD videos, puts the iPod at an advantage, but that's neither here nor there on the topic of processing power.
It's called customization, and people like that sort of thing.
How much did you pay for your clothes? I bet it was significantly more than the cost of the material. Have you ever bought a pair of shoes that were more expensive than an equally utilitarian pair, because the pair you bought looked nicer?
Jewelry, stickers, watches, glasses, home decorations, little plastic anime dolls, just about everything from thinkgeek... Ring tones are just another of those types of things.
To be fair, for the price of the iPod Nano, which captures in VGA resolution, you can get a Flip with better optics and bigger sensor that records in 720p HD. Not to say that it's not nice to have video on the Nano, only that it's not going to impact the market that much.
I think it will. More people are going to have an iPod than a video camera, and if the iPod comes with a video camera built-in, there's much less incentive to buy a Flip. Especially when the iPod is 1/10th the volume.
On though it's a different type of sync, since they mentioned iTunes - when the hell are they gonna setup a way to sync two iTunes libraries. I've got several computers in my house - Mac and PC mixed.
I think the Zune HD will be a more turn-around product for them.
If you mean what I think you mean by that, you are exceptionally optimistic. Like these Best Buy ads I've been hearing on the radio about the Zune HD saying you should reserve yours now to beat the rush...
If you're talking about the Zii, it's not vaporware because they are shipping the actual hardware with the SDK... it's just not productized yet. I am not sure Creative is planning to do so under their own label.
Um, yeah. That's kind of what vaporware means. The clue here is that there isn't even an actual product yet. It's like the CrunchPad, and the million other "great ideas" that are still on the drawing board.
Zune HD, on the other hand, isn't really vaporware, unless it doesn't actually get launched (which seems incredibly unlikely).
I remember those days - Mac users would brag about "Think Different" due to not running Windows, and then run a whole suite of Microsoft products such as Office, Internet Explorer etc...
Um, yeah. Four products were the same. Actually, they weren't even the same, as the Mac versions were generally considered superior to the Windows versions (esp. MS IE).
I am pretty sure that wasn't happening, and apart from the possibility of forged bank statements, cash generally isn't something you can argue with.
Maybe corporations work a little differently than I've imagined, but I've always assumed that "cash on hand" primarily meant financial assets like bank accounts and other investments, and not an actual Scrooge McDuck money bin.
Eh, Apple's "billions of dollars in the bank" was basically Enron accounting, and that was reflected in the stock price.
Um, no. It was actual cash on hand.
The Microsoft "investment" provided a serious boost for Apple in their times of dire need, and there is no need to pathetically try to rewrite history.
The boost wasn't the cash. It wasn't even, directly, the deal with Microsoft.
The deal with Microsoft was the result of a change in direction for Apple. At most, it was a "vote of confidence" from MS, especially the commitment to continue to provide MS Office.
No, the boost was Jobs' redirection of Apple which appeared to be increasingly rudderless at the 90s wore on.
Unless you are one of those late 90s-era melon-headed downsies mac zealots who actually believed Apple was not in serious financial conditions. In that case a shithouse OS like MacOS 8 is exactly what you deserved.
Apple wasn't hurting for cash, they were hurting for direction. MS's $150 million had essentially zero direct effect for Apple financially.
Not quite. Saving Apple was (presumably) to help stave off the anti-trust suits against Microsoft by preserving a weak but "potentially credible" competitor.
There was no "save Apple" moment.
When MS invested millions of dollars in Apple, Apple had billions of dollars in the bank. The investment was merely a part of a settlement between Apple and MS that ended the lawsuits Apple had against MS, and for Microsoft's part, they had to buy some Apple stock and promise to keep selling Office for a number of years.
Put yourself in the reverse situation. What if your school/workplace required you to run Linux at home, when you're currently using Windows?
Seriously? Tough shit.
I mean, what if your school required you to use time outside of school to do homework, instead of going to work or playing videogames? That would pretty seriously cramp your style too, wouldn't it?
"Tough shit" is not a valid response to a valid concern.
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To all the children modding me down this thread:
WTF is wrong with you? I'm not offtopic (the topic of the joke was murder, I couldn't be more on topic), nor further down this thread, flamebait.
Seriously, someone died, two children lost their mother (and father). Write a joke if you want, I never said not to, but don't rag on me for pointing out a real-life tragedy is what you're all laughing at.
I realize it only takes a handful of morons to swing moderation around one way or the other, but ffs. Way to promote Linux, and fight the image that Linux is for arrested development, socially awkward little boys burrowed deep into their mother's basement. "Oh no! He pointed out something that a grown up and mature person might think on a joke about murder. Burn him!"
Foolish kids.
That's besides the point. A dispassionate, amoral outsider would see things like you are putting it, but as a human, taking such a stance is more than mildly absurd.
You have to put everything in life into perspective, or else you lose what the big picture is.
And part of that perspective is how humans feel about something. Being dispassionate, when dealing with people, is to deliberately obscure perspective and the "big picture".
You're taking the position that you don't see any difference from promoting legal inequality based on race, and even murder and genocide, and having a bunch of strange costumed aliens as a kid's show, since it's all a matter of opinion.
Again, it's all perspective.
Correct. One is a murderous, oppressive regime that brought the entire world into conflict, resulting in the deaths of tens of millions of people, the other is a kid's show. There's no equating the two. To do is fundamentally idiotic. I can't believe there is some group of morons out there modding me down for saying some things are worse than others.
The victor gets the honor of writing history. Lets continue using WWII as an example. I've seen people's faces when they found out Germany was planning to develop a nuclear weapon to attack the continental United States. Oh the outrage. In hearing that Germany could do such an outrageous thing, they forgot the United States did it twice to Japan. "Oh, but that was different, it ended the war."
Um, yeah, not all inqualities are equally unequal. Nazi a-bombs and US a-bombs aren't as different as Teletubbies and Nazis. They are still different, and I'm still very glad (as are many Germans, don't forget), that the Germans never developed an atomic bomb.
I understand looking at something from someone else's point of view, but to equate all points of view because they are all subjective is fucking insane. If someone wants to rape and murder you and your family, are you going to say, "well, I can't really say he's wrong and I'm right for not wanting him to do that, since from his perspective...".
No! Of course not.
Free speech is free. At no point did I say "You're stupid, shut up!" or "You can't say that!" :)
I know you didn't. But the post you first responded do was me responding to someone who said that to me.
Remember, perspective and the big picture. These aren't just abstract ideas, but important for communication.
In fact, I wonder why you're even arguing with me? If you hold that all points of view are equally valid, then should't you agree with me? That I'm perfectly correct, just like everyone else, no matter how different or contradictory our views are?
There are appropriate and inappropriate times to speak, which isn't censorship, it's manners. Like the Congressman who yelled "You lie!" during the President's speech a few days ago. He shouldn't have done that. It was inappropriate it and impolite.
And that's all I said. In fact, it's more than I said. All I said was that a murder joke regarding ReiserFS has behind it a very real tragedy, and it's good to keep that in mind.
I would prefer that he had not have done it, but I won't be the one to say that he can't do it.
And I never said the joke-maker can't make such jokes. I just wanted to point out an important perspective, and the bigger picture. Two things which seem rather important to you.
That doesn't really mean much other than they're hedging their bets. They could just as easily pull the plug[*] on Spotify as broaden it's scope.
For them, this is more of an experiment, like Hulu, and there's no reasonable certainty that they won't shut everything down tomorrow if they fear it will undermine their traditional revenue models.
[*] By "pull the plug", I mean revoking any licensing for the project, if they can, and if they can't (perhaps UK/EU law treats Spotify as a radio station with compulsory licensing, I don't know), then at the very least do everything they can to destabilize Spotify's business model, the way the RIAA/ASCAP have been trying to do in the US with regards to online radio stations.
That really depends on who you ask. Ask a proud KKK member, and they'll probably say the Teletubbies. Well, after the blacks, jews, and ... well, anyone not white. I'd say ask a Nazi, but ... well ... all that's left are very old men and the "neo-nazi"'s.
That's besides the point. A dispassionate, amoral outsider would see things like you are putting it, but as a human, taking such a stance is more than mildly absurd.
You're taking the position that you don't see any difference from promoting legal inequality based on race, and even murder and genocide, and having a bunch of strange costumed aliens as a kid's show, since it's all a matter of opinion.
As a matter of free speech, I agree that we should be dispassionate, but when it comes to how each of us feels about something, it's unnatural and inhuman. I would never tell anyone they can't tell a certain joke, or whatever, but I do think it's completely reasonable to point out the bigger picture upon which a joke rests.
I don't care if I offend KKK members, or Nazis/neo-Nazis. Perhaps the original joke-poster at the start of all this doesn't care if he offended anyone. I suspect he really didn't think about it one way or the other and just thought it was a funny joke, which is why I posted what I did.
If he does care, then maybe my pointing it out was helpful, if not, then maybe someone else found it useful, or not. It doesn't bother me much, I wasn't personally offended, nor am I offended if someone doesn't like what I wrote. I was offended at the notion that I should keep my opinion to myself.
But, I shouldn't even be writing this, since you've clearly stepped into Godwin's law territory.
[ducking from massive -100 Godwin Violation moderations]
I *think* we're safe so long as we don't equate anyone in the discussion or under discussion with being a Nazi. Welcome to life on the edge! :D
This type of problem should be seen as a good thing, and provide a clue for the music labels. They already serve the public when it comes to purchasing music with CDs and DRM-free downloads (finally!). Now they have an opportunity to serve the public with streaming music.
They tried something similar with rentals, but people don't really seem to like it that much. Streaming (for a fee) is a *lot* like renting, but since you never have the music on your hard drive or media player, it doesn't feel like you're losing anything once the subscription expires. Mixing owned and rented music doesn't seem to be that desirable. But with the clear demarcation between owned and streamed, it's much more enticing.
I know I'd prefer to stream than to rent. Hopefully the labels will see this as an opportunity, and not a threat, and bring this to the US.
Yeah, I know, placing hope on the intelligence of the music industry is a recipe for disappointment, but what the hell, right?
Now this is something I don't understand. How do these jokes cause any harm to Reiser's wife's children or family?
Emotional and psychological harm.
Every time someone makes a joke about something that, for some reason, "shouldn't be taken lightly", there are people expressing their outrage about how it was wrong to make it.
I didn't express outrage. I just pointed out that there's a real tragedy behind those jokes.
Everything is offensive to someone
False equivalency. You've just equated Nazis and the KKK with Teletubbies in terms of offensiveness. Bravo.
we should all realize that being offended doesn't harm you in any way
Did my post harm you? If not, then why not skip over it and, well, I'll let you finish...
and you can just skip over to the next comment and let people who want to laugh about something do so.
Oh, fuck off. I can post my opinion just the same as you can. It's absurd to suggest I can't point out the severe weight behind a topic being made light of.
File permissions security isn't all that useful on removable media like it is on the boot drive (and other internal drives).
If a drive is portable, you can bypass any security permissions by simply plugging it into a computer where you are root, or compiling your own kernel or filesystem driver to ignore permissions.
The default behavior for external drives (esp. flash drives) should be to completely ignore ownership permissions, with the option to enforce them if you really want to. Anything more strict and you make things harder for you, but no harder for someone with their own box.
Not sure I'd use Reiser - I hear it's murder on your USB drive.
It's easy to make fun of Reiser, the murderer, but don't forget, your laughs are at the expense of an innocent woman who was brutally murdered as well as two orphaned children.
The filters you are talking about are affixed to the CCD/CMOS. The filters on Hubble are interchangeable (more similar to lens filters on SLR and similar cameras). The cameras on Hubble have dozens of filters to choose from.
The other benefit is that on a standard 3 color CCD, you end up combining four pixels to create one full color pixel. With Hubble, you get to use all four pixels independently because they all share the same filter.
Ok, exceptional optimism it is...
Your current sig:
You say it's the "Year of the Linux Desktop," I say it's the "Year of the Opera Browser."
May as well through "Year of the Zune" in there while you're at it. :D
Um, no. It can play back a 720p H.264 video, no problem.
The notion here was that the Zune HD was more powerful than the iPod/iPhone (just calling it iPod from here on out) because it could play HD videos, not because it can display them (neither the Zune HD nor the iPod can).
The iPod screen is higher resolution than the Zune HD, which, when it comes to displaying HD videos, puts the iPod at an advantage, but that's neither here nor there on the topic of processing power.
I really need a player with FLAC support. What are the best options?
If you need lossless (nobody needs lossless, but I guess I should say, "if you think you need lossless"), the iPods play Apple Lossless files.
If you need FLAC, then you aren't using iTunes anyway, so this really isn't the best place to ask. I suggest (like the AC before me) Google.
It's called customization, and people like that sort of thing.
How much did you pay for your clothes? I bet it was significantly more than the cost of the material. Have you ever bought a pair of shoes that were more expensive than an equally utilitarian pair, because the pair you bought looked nicer?
Jewelry, stickers, watches, glasses, home decorations, little plastic anime dolls, just about everything from thinkgeek... Ring tones are just another of those types of things.
Modding me down won't make you right.
And whining about it won't make you right.
To be fair, for the price of the iPod Nano, which captures in VGA resolution, you can get a Flip with better optics and bigger sensor that records in 720p HD. Not to say that it's not nice to have video on the Nano, only that it's not going to impact the market that much.
I think it will. More people are going to have an iPod than a video camera, and if the iPod comes with a video camera built-in, there's much less incentive to buy a Flip. Especially when the iPod is 1/10th the volume.
On though it's a different type of sync, since they mentioned iTunes - when the hell are they gonna setup a way to sync two iTunes libraries. I've got several computers in my house - Mac and PC mixed.
Today. It's in iTunes 9.
The anemic amount of storage would be the main thing.
Compared to what, exactly?
I think the Zune HD will be a more turn-around product for them.
If you mean what I think you mean by that, you are exceptionally optimistic. Like these Best Buy ads I've been hearing on the radio about the Zune HD saying you should reserve yours now to beat the rush...
If you're talking about the Zii, it's not vaporware because they are shipping the actual hardware with the SDK... it's just not productized yet. I am not sure Creative is planning to do so under their own label.
Um, yeah. That's kind of what vaporware means. The clue here is that there isn't even an actual product yet. It's like the CrunchPad, and the million other "great ideas" that are still on the drawing board.
Zune HD, on the other hand, isn't really vaporware, unless it doesn't actually get launched (which seems incredibly unlikely).
The iPhone can play HD video. It doesn't support outputting it through the dock connector, but I assume the hardest part is decoding the video itself.
I remember those days - Mac users would brag about "Think Different" due to not running Windows, and then run a whole suite of Microsoft products such as Office, Internet Explorer etc...
Um, yeah. Four products were the same. Actually, they weren't even the same, as the Mac versions were generally considered superior to the Windows versions (esp. MS IE).
I am pretty sure that wasn't happening, and apart from the possibility of forged bank statements, cash generally isn't something you can argue with.
Maybe corporations work a little differently than I've imagined, but I've always assumed that "cash on hand" primarily meant financial assets like bank accounts and other investments, and not an actual Scrooge McDuck money bin.
Eh, Apple's "billions of dollars in the bank" was basically Enron accounting, and that was reflected in the stock price.
Um, no. It was actual cash on hand.
The Microsoft "investment" provided a serious boost for Apple in their times of dire need, and there is no need to pathetically try to rewrite history.
The boost wasn't the cash. It wasn't even, directly, the deal with Microsoft.
The deal with Microsoft was the result of a change in direction for Apple. At most, it was a "vote of confidence" from MS, especially the commitment to continue to provide MS Office.
No, the boost was Jobs' redirection of Apple which appeared to be increasingly rudderless at the 90s wore on.
Unless you are one of those late 90s-era melon-headed downsies mac zealots who actually believed Apple was not in serious financial conditions. In that case a shithouse OS like MacOS 8 is exactly what you deserved.
Apple wasn't hurting for cash, they were hurting for direction. MS's $150 million had essentially zero direct effect for Apple financially.
Not quite. Saving Apple was (presumably) to help stave off the anti-trust suits against Microsoft by preserving a weak but "potentially credible" competitor.
There was no "save Apple" moment.
When MS invested millions of dollars in Apple, Apple had billions of dollars in the bank. The investment was merely a part of a settlement between Apple and MS that ended the lawsuits Apple had against MS, and for Microsoft's part, they had to buy some Apple stock and promise to keep selling Office for a number of years.
Put yourself in the reverse situation. What if your school/workplace required you to run Linux at home, when you're currently using Windows?
Seriously? Tough shit.
I mean, what if your school required you to use time outside of school to do homework, instead of going to work or playing videogames? That would pretty seriously cramp your style too, wouldn't it?
"Tough shit" is not a valid response to a valid concern.