iPhone users don't freak out because you like Android phones
Can you really stand by that generalization? You can find examples of both Android and iPhone users doing this all over the web. Sure, some people will be fine, but others will definitely act like assholes.
Yes, you can find examples of both, but here on Slashdot, posters and moderators ("you guys", in my post) tend to be far more emotionally involved in the choices others make than the so-called (but apparently elusive) "fanboy" they are ranting against.
There will always be the occasional troll or *actual* "fanboy", but it's extremely dishonest to claim that Slashdot doesn't have a strong opinionated bias against Apple and for Android (a bias not shared by the real world), and that actual "fanboys" (as opposed to those who get called "fanboy") are quite rare in terms of Apple fanboys, but Android fanboys (if one were to want to use that term) abound.
Honestly, I have no idea where you got this bizarre idea that ScrewMaster thinks other people share the same preferences he does. If anything, his posts make it clear that he understands that different people have different preferences, even going so far as to offer Richard_at_work a few options that may better suit his stated tastes!
Exactly! He thinks that it's not *Android* that's at fault here, but Richard_at_work for not trying hard enough. He, like so many here (and so few in the real world) get their panties in a bunch any time someone likes some other product. Who fucking cares? Richard doesn't like Android. A well-adjusted person would be cool with that. ScrewMaster likes Android. Good for him!
There are plenty of phones for everyone, but somehow Slashdot Android users seem to think that preferring an iPhone implies a failure on the part of the user. It's really quite sad.
I did show you the numbers (again, and now with dates):
100 millionth iPhone sold (March, 2011) 100 millionth Android device sold (May, 2011) 200 millionth iOS device sold (June, 2011)
Worldwide, obviously.
You are talking about market share in terms of units presently being sold, which is a completely different measure. And I *am* comparing both devices total, and iPhones specifically. On the Android side of things, it's devices total, but clearly Android sells ~99% on phones, so it's not exactly worth breaking out (and the numbers aren't readily available anyway).
iOS is kicking Android's ass, plan and simple, and iPhone is the most popular handset out there. Not sure why these are so difficult for some here to grasp.
It's evidence, not proof. There's a huge difference.
But this *is* exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Some anonymous/unspecific "tip" to The Register is far from conclusive, but as more information is added, the picture becomes more clear.
That doesn't alter the fact that you are making assertions with very little evidence.
Pretty much every statement in your post is completely made up whole cloth. The purpose of the data center has never been stated, whether it's ready has never been stated, MobileMe having "miserable failed" is far from true, and that they "completely stripped down their server OS" is both incorrect and wholly unrelated (Apple uses Sun and Oracle, among others, for their Internet servers).
And finally, that they are using MS and Amazon is completely, 100%, pure rumor based on a supposedly anonymous tip to a disreputable "news" organization.
It's not that this is impossible, far from it. But it's that it's simply a rumor from a single source, and a claim that would certainly need a bit more substantiation to believe.
The odds of this being true are exceptionally low. The Register isn't exactly known for journalistic integrity.
So, we are to believe that Apple, who has been building out an awfully large and awfully expensive data center in North Carolina, are going to outsource one of their key products to Microsoft and Amazon? Apple will often use third parties for products and services, but this seems way too much like handing the keys to their castle to someone else.
In the end, all that really matters is how well iCloud works (or doesn't work), but this story is just way too strange.
Yes, I've read your posts. And I've read this one, where you seem to think other people have the same preferences that you do. What's so hard to accept about someone preferring Apple products? You seem to think his problem is that he just didn't do enough to make Android fit his liking, that it's really *his* fault somehow, and that Android is objectively better than iOS.
You go around calling people "fanbois" for having a different opinion than you. What more can I say? You're making my case for me. Sorry about the coffee, maybe you should switch to decaf...
Online. Search for "100 millionth iPhone", "100 millionth Android", and "200 millionth iOS". It just so happened that all these numbers came up within months of each other making for a fairly reasonable comparison.
No, before June, Apple had already sold over 100 million iPhones. In June, Android did or was just about to ship on its 100 millionth device. Also, in or around June, Apple sold it's 200 millionth iOS device. It just so happened that Apple's reports (they tend to report round numbers like those) came out in a timeframe comparable to a report about the 100 millionth Android device.
Well, okay. You have a G2 with the stock firmware, probably using the stock Android launcher. Yeah, it works, but it's not the best, I agree. However, unlike the vaunted iPhone, you'll find (with a little research) that you can completely change your experience. Try playing around with some different home apps in the market: some of them are very good and might very well change your opinion.
Why do you guys get so worked up over what someone else uses or prefers? Why are you telling him to fuck around with his phone in order to like it like you like it? People are different, they have different preferences.
iPhone users don't freak out because you like Android phones. We don't tell you "well, you should do this, and *THEN* you will like the iPhone better". Use what you like, and let others do the same. There's plenty of phones out there for everyone.
Your argument is weakened by an OSX signature. It's like arguing for Catholicism simply being a better religion, and having a "The Pope ROX!!!!" sig.
So, you're saying he's paid by Apple, or a zombie? For preferring OS X and the iPhone? Even though he actually went out and bought an Android phone earlier this year?
Sounds to me more like you're saying that if someone likes Apple products, they aren't allowed to say so, otherwise they are fanboys or shills or something. What kind of logic is that?
Using your analogy, how would it not be reasonable for someone who thinks Catholicism is a better religion to show they also like the Pope? Do we discount Linux fans' opinions if they have a Tux sticker on their car? It makes no sense.
You are a fanboi. He wasn't pushing anything: he was making a valid point that the market today is not like it was when the iPhone was first introduced.
Um...
"Are you kidding? Unless you are paid by Apple or a Zombie, can do you really believe and iPhone is any better and a T-Mobile G2 or any high end Android handset?"
Pretty much using a term like "fanboi" increases the odds dramatically that you, yourself, are being a "fanboi". It's a stupid term that simply means "you don't like what I like, therefore you're an idiot".
The iPhone had a significant impact on T-Mobile. It's difficult to see how it couldn't, and it still does. In spite of all the Apple hatred around here, Apple has sold over 100 million iPhones, and sells tens of millions every quarter. In other words, people want iPhones. Not having the iPhone has caused problems for T-Mobile. It's nice that they have Android phones, and that people want those, but T-Mobile is automatically locked out of a large portion of the consumer market.
You left out mine, you paranoid AC. Oooh, someone with a different opinion than you, must be a shill or a fanboy! And obviously there can only be one such person. After all, there's no one in the entire world that actually likes Apple products!
Why are so many here insecure? It's completely fine for other people to like things that you don't like, and that doesn't make them stupid, evil, shills, or anything else. It just makes them different.
For a group that pretends to care about choice and freedom, you sure have a funny way of showing it!
Well, as of June this year (the last time I've seen both total iPhone and iOS numbers, as well as total Android numbers), there were more iPhones sold than Android devices total, and over twice as many iOS devices sold as Android devices.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "statistics not provided by Apple's Marketing Department". Who better to state how many devices they've sold than Apple? And since Apple sells every single iPhone and iPad that they can make, their numbers aren't the lies you make them out to be, unlike those of competitors which treat products put into the sales channels like actual sales.
The only people in need of a "white stick" are the Android nerds here on Slashdot who have been acting as though Android has outsold the iPhone for over a year and half now, even though that *might*, in reality, just *now* be true.
Are you kidding? Unless you are paid by Apple or a Zombie, can do you really believe and iPhone is any better and a T-Mobile G2 or any high end Android handset?
Really? Want some Apple flavored Kool Aid?
I agree. Why is it that Apple fans have to make everything about the iPhone?
Yeah, what kind of idiotic drone makes every story about their device of choice anyway?
Considering that the handset market is owned by Android
"Why is it that Apple fans have to make everything about the iPhone?"
It really is sad. Apple fans were never like this years ago. I know I certainly wasn't. Yes there was fanboyism. But somehow Apple's move into the cellphone market turned Apple fans into foaming at the mouth batshit insane cultists.
One just has to see what has become of major Apple sites like AppleInsider:
* Apple invented EVERYTHING
* Anything not made by Apple SUCKS
* Anything not made by Apple would be AMAZING if Apple did it
* 'Teh OMG!!! iPhone' caused or is responsible for X. Where X is basically EVERYTHING. Wars, famines, stock market swings, celebrity breakups, medical breakthroughs.
Umm... No, these Apple "cultist/fanboy" have existed forever, but only as straw men in the minds of people who seem only capable of seeing things in extremes.
Yes, people just "hate" Apple and Microsoft for no valid reasons whatsoever. It's not "hate", it's simply being objective and not a F.F.F. (fruity fucking fanboy).
Right, because "reality" is that the iPad is a flop? Or that it's not the most successful tablet ever? Or that it wasn't the first truly successful tablet?
And how exactly is it that you can claim to be objective when you immediately follow that claim by stating those that disagree with you are "F.F.F. (fruity fucking fanboy)"? If you really had an objective argument, you should be able to defend it without such nonsense.
Success, if defined by meeting your sales goals, would have to go to Fujitsu.
He said "commercially successful", not "subjectively successful". You're just making up definitions to fit your argument.
There's really no way to argue that the iPad isn't commercially successful, isn't the *most* commercially successful, and isn't the first truly successful, tablet ever made. That doesn't mean that there weren't other tablets, or that companies didn't make money selling them. Just that up to now, they've all been niche at best and have *NEVER* been a consumer hit among the general populace.
For a long time I've been fan of tablets. And I always wanted the TZ series from HP. Despite the battery life, counting that it runs Windows, you get far more apps that necessary.
You get a lot of WIMP GUI applications. You don't really get all that many tablet apps, though...
Who's cloning who? And who's the competitors again? Are you seriously suggesting Apple was first to release a tablet device with a touch screen?
The former does not imply the latter.
That being said:
Go read a history book, fanboy. And scrape that tattoo off your arm.
Which history book? The one about Newton? Or the one where the iPad is the first successful tablet? But, no, basing my posts on reality? I must simply be a "fanboy", there can be no other explanation!
I've never seen a single picture frame that looks like an iPad.
So you have never seen a picture frame in the shape of a rectangle that has either a black or a white border?
I've seen plenty, and not a single one looked like an iPad.
Were you out hunting a woolly mammoth when you fell into the icy water and only recently thawed yourself out?
Funny you should say that, since I'm not the one acting like a caveman. "Ogg see shape like square, all square-like things the same!"
There are countless ways to make a rectangular device like an iPad (or a picture frame). To think they are all the same is absurd. Look at all the smartphones. there are plenty of designs. Apple has theirs. Well, sort of. Right now Samsung seems to think they have it too. Which is what Apple is trying to block.
Oh please. I am sure that has nothing to do with apple being a design company and not actually having (almost) any hardware or radio patents.
Are you dense? Apple has *thousands* of hardware patents. I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic at hand however.
I don't see Apple applying common sense like they are doing now when they want a product to be banned for having rounded corners.
No, it's being banned for looking like an iPad, plain and simple.
If we start applying common sense like Samsung is doing for defense against Apple (or like Apple is doing right now) then 99.9% of all patents and lawsuits should be invalidated. But oh boy, do they like to play the patents game!
Citation. How many lawsuits does Apple have currently that they've initiated over patents. I'm sure this must be a very long list, since they "like to play" that game so much!
They use patents to protect certain things (like the look of the iPad, or to keep control of how the dock connector is used), and not simply as a way to sue for money or block other companies from competing with their own designs.
All of them are just obvious and not innovative at all (ipad/iphone design is just *popular*, nothing *new*, and there's no patent for "popular"), or critical to entering a market, like these FRAND patents.
They aren't critical, and they aren't "obvious". Apple isn't claiming the rights to a slab with a screen. They are claiming the rights to a slab with a screen that looks like theirs. There are countless ways to design a slab with a screen, and Apple has theirs. They are only demanding that Samsung choose one of the others. Coke claims the right to the shape of their bottles. Apple claims the right to the design of their tablets. On what kind of bizarro world is this not rational?
Apple saying now that they think its unfair because its a silly patent when they are King Of Suing For Silly Patents is just being hypocrite.
Such as?
I'd like to see how others compete with Apple if they can't produce stuff with rounded corners, horizontal picture scrolling, a grid of icons, etc... like Apple wants them to.
Straw man overgeneralization. Apple isn't suing simply over "rounded corners, horizontal picture scrolling, a grid of icons". They are suing over specific implementations of these that are too similar to Apple's inventions.
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iPhone users don't freak out because you like Android phones
Can you really stand by that generalization? You can find examples of both Android and iPhone users doing this all over the web. Sure, some people will be fine, but others will definitely act like assholes.
Yes, you can find examples of both, but here on Slashdot, posters and moderators ("you guys", in my post) tend to be far more emotionally involved in the choices others make than the so-called (but apparently elusive) "fanboy" they are ranting against.
There will always be the occasional troll or *actual* "fanboy", but it's extremely dishonest to claim that Slashdot doesn't have a strong opinionated bias against Apple and for Android (a bias not shared by the real world), and that actual "fanboys" (as opposed to those who get called "fanboy") are quite rare in terms of Apple fanboys, but Android fanboys (if one were to want to use that term) abound.
Honestly, I have no idea where you got this bizarre idea that ScrewMaster thinks other people share the same preferences he does. If anything, his posts make it clear that he understands that different people have different preferences, even going so far as to offer Richard_at_work a few options that may better suit his stated tastes!
Exactly! He thinks that it's not *Android* that's at fault here, but Richard_at_work for not trying hard enough. He, like so many here (and so few in the real world) get their panties in a bunch any time someone likes some other product. Who fucking cares? Richard doesn't like Android. A well-adjusted person would be cool with that. ScrewMaster likes Android. Good for him!
There are plenty of phones for everyone, but somehow Slashdot Android users seem to think that preferring an iPhone implies a failure on the part of the user. It's really quite sad.
I did show you the numbers (again, and now with dates):
100 millionth iPhone sold (March, 2011)
100 millionth Android device sold (May, 2011)
200 millionth iOS device sold (June, 2011)
Worldwide, obviously.
You are talking about market share in terms of units presently being sold, which is a completely different measure. And I *am* comparing both devices total, and iPhones specifically. On the Android side of things, it's devices total, but clearly Android sells ~99% on phones, so it's not exactly worth breaking out (and the numbers aren't readily available anyway).
iOS is kicking Android's ass, plan and simple, and iPhone is the most popular handset out there. Not sure why these are so difficult for some here to grasp.
It's evidence, not proof. There's a huge difference.
But this *is* exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Some anonymous/unspecific "tip" to The Register is far from conclusive, but as more information is added, the picture becomes more clear.
That doesn't alter the fact that you are making assertions with very little evidence.
And iCloud is the result of storage and bandwidth becoming cheaper.
Pretty much every statement in your post is completely made up whole cloth. The purpose of the data center has never been stated, whether it's ready has never been stated, MobileMe having "miserable failed" is far from true, and that they "completely stripped down their server OS" is both incorrect and wholly unrelated (Apple uses Sun and Oracle, among others, for their Internet servers).
And finally, that they are using MS and Amazon is completely, 100%, pure rumor based on a supposedly anonymous tip to a disreputable "news" organization.
It's not that this is impossible, far from it. But it's that it's simply a rumor from a single source, and a claim that would certainly need a bit more substantiation to believe.
The odds of this being true are exceptionally low. The Register isn't exactly known for journalistic integrity.
So, we are to believe that Apple, who has been building out an awfully large and awfully expensive data center in North Carolina, are going to outsource one of their key products to Microsoft and Amazon? Apple will often use third parties for products and services, but this seems way too much like handing the keys to their castle to someone else.
In the end, all that really matters is how well iCloud works (or doesn't work), but this story is just way too strange.
at least in the US your numbers are trash:
http://gigaom.com/2010/08/02/android-sales-overtake-iphone-in-the-u-s/
notice the date.
Um, yes, my worldwide sales numbers are for the world, not the US. I'm not sure exactly what you think that means. Care to elaborate?
Yes, I've read your posts. And I've read this one, where you seem to think other people have the same preferences that you do. What's so hard to accept about someone preferring Apple products? You seem to think his problem is that he just didn't do enough to make Android fit his liking, that it's really *his* fault somehow, and that Android is objectively better than iOS.
You go around calling people "fanbois" for having a different opinion than you. What more can I say? You're making my case for me. Sorry about the coffee, maybe you should switch to decaf...
Online. Search for "100 millionth iPhone", "100 millionth Android", and "200 millionth iOS". It just so happened that all these numbers came up within months of each other making for a fairly reasonable comparison.
No, before June, Apple had already sold over 100 million iPhones. In June, Android did or was just about to ship on its 100 millionth device. Also, in or around June, Apple sold it's 200 millionth iOS device. It just so happened that Apple's reports (they tend to report round numbers like those) came out in a timeframe comparable to a report about the 100 millionth Android device.
Well, okay. You have a G2 with the stock firmware, probably using the stock Android launcher. Yeah, it works, but it's not the best, I agree. However, unlike the vaunted iPhone, you'll find (with a little research) that you can completely change your experience. Try playing around with some different home apps in the market: some of them are very good and might very well change your opinion.
Why do you guys get so worked up over what someone else uses or prefers? Why are you telling him to fuck around with his phone in order to like it like you like it? People are different, they have different preferences.
iPhone users don't freak out because you like Android phones. We don't tell you "well, you should do this, and *THEN* you will like the iPhone better". Use what you like, and let others do the same. There's plenty of phones out there for everyone.
Your argument is weakened by an OSX signature.
It's like arguing for Catholicism simply being a better religion, and having a "The Pope ROX!!!!" sig.
So, you're saying he's paid by Apple, or a zombie? For preferring OS X and the iPhone? Even though he actually went out and bought an Android phone earlier this year?
Sounds to me more like you're saying that if someone likes Apple products, they aren't allowed to say so, otherwise they are fanboys or shills or something. What kind of logic is that?
Using your analogy, how would it not be reasonable for someone who thinks Catholicism is a better religion to show they also like the Pope? Do we discount Linux fans' opinions if they have a Tux sticker on their car? It makes no sense.
You are a fanboi. He wasn't pushing anything: he was making a valid point that the market today is not like it was when the iPhone was first introduced.
Um...
"Are you kidding? Unless you are paid by Apple or a Zombie, can do you really believe and iPhone is any better and a T-Mobile G2 or any high end Android handset?"
Pretty much using a term like "fanboi" increases the odds dramatically that you, yourself, are being a "fanboi". It's a stupid term that simply means "you don't like what I like, therefore you're an idiot".
The iPhone had a significant impact on T-Mobile. It's difficult to see how it couldn't, and it still does. In spite of all the Apple hatred around here, Apple has sold over 100 million iPhones, and sells tens of millions every quarter. In other words, people want iPhones. Not having the iPhone has caused problems for T-Mobile. It's nice that they have Android phones, and that people want those, but T-Mobile is automatically locked out of a large portion of the consumer market.
You left out mine, you paranoid AC. Oooh, someone with a different opinion than you, must be a shill or a fanboy! And obviously there can only be one such person. After all, there's no one in the entire world that actually likes Apple products!
Why are so many here insecure? It's completely fine for other people to like things that you don't like, and that doesn't make them stupid, evil, shills, or anything else. It just makes them different.
For a group that pretends to care about choice and freedom, you sure have a funny way of showing it!
Well, as of June this year (the last time I've seen both total iPhone and iOS numbers, as well as total Android numbers), there were more iPhones sold than Android devices total, and over twice as many iOS devices sold as Android devices.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "statistics not provided by Apple's Marketing Department". Who better to state how many devices they've sold than Apple? And since Apple sells every single iPhone and iPad that they can make, their numbers aren't the lies you make them out to be, unlike those of competitors which treat products put into the sales channels like actual sales.
The only people in need of a "white stick" are the Android nerds here on Slashdot who have been acting as though Android has outsold the iPhone for over a year and half now, even though that *might*, in reality, just *now* be true.
Are you kidding? Unless you are paid by Apple or a Zombie, can do you really believe and iPhone is any better and a T-Mobile G2 or any high end Android handset?
Really? Want some Apple flavored Kool Aid?
I agree. Why is it that Apple fans have to make everything about the iPhone?
Yeah, what kind of idiotic drone makes every story about their device of choice anyway?
Considering that the handset market is owned by Android
Welcome to slashdot. You'll fit right in!
"Why is it that Apple fans have to make everything about the iPhone?"
It really is sad. Apple fans were never like this years ago. I know I certainly wasn't. Yes there was fanboyism. But somehow Apple's move into the cellphone market turned Apple fans into foaming at the mouth batshit insane cultists.
One just has to see what has become of major Apple sites like AppleInsider:
* Apple invented EVERYTHING
* Anything not made by Apple SUCKS
* Anything not made by Apple would be AMAZING if Apple did it
* 'Teh OMG!!! iPhone' caused or is responsible for X. Where X is basically EVERYTHING. Wars, famines, stock market swings, celebrity breakups, medical breakthroughs.
Umm... No, these Apple "cultist/fanboy" have existed forever, but only as straw men in the minds of people who seem only capable of seeing things in extremes.
Yes, people just "hate" Apple and Microsoft for no valid reasons whatsoever. It's not "hate", it's simply being objective and not a F.F.F. (fruity fucking fanboy).
Right, because "reality" is that the iPad is a flop? Or that it's not the most successful tablet ever? Or that it wasn't the first truly successful tablet?
And how exactly is it that you can claim to be objective when you immediately follow that claim by stating those that disagree with you are "F.F.F. (fruity fucking fanboy)"? If you really had an objective argument, you should be able to defend it without such nonsense.
Success, if defined by meeting your sales goals, would have to go to Fujitsu.
He said "commercially successful", not "subjectively successful". You're just making up definitions to fit your argument.
There's really no way to argue that the iPad isn't commercially successful, isn't the *most* commercially successful, and isn't the first truly successful, tablet ever made. That doesn't mean that there weren't other tablets, or that companies didn't make money selling them. Just that up to now, they've all been niche at best and have *NEVER* been a consumer hit among the general populace.
For a long time I've been fan of tablets. And I always wanted the TZ series from HP. Despite the battery life, counting that it runs Windows, you get far more apps that necessary.
You get a lot of WIMP GUI applications. You don't really get all that many tablet apps, though...
Who's cloning who? And who's the competitors again? Are you seriously suggesting Apple was first to release a tablet device with a touch screen?
The former does not imply the latter.
That being said:
Go read a history book, fanboy. And scrape that tattoo off your arm.
Which history book? The one about Newton? Or the one where the iPad is the first successful tablet? But, no, basing my posts on reality? I must simply be a "fanboy", there can be no other explanation!
It simply means you're still a jackass, nothing more.
I've never seen a single picture frame that looks like an iPad.
So you have never seen a picture frame in the shape of a rectangle that has either a black or a white border?
I've seen plenty, and not a single one looked like an iPad.
Were you out hunting a woolly mammoth when you fell into the icy water and only recently thawed yourself out?
Funny you should say that, since I'm not the one acting like a caveman. "Ogg see shape like square, all square-like things the same!"
There are countless ways to make a rectangular device like an iPad (or a picture frame). To think they are all the same is absurd. Look at all the smartphones. there are plenty of designs. Apple has theirs. Well, sort of. Right now Samsung seems to think they have it too. Which is what Apple is trying to block.
Oh please.
I am sure that has nothing to do with apple being a design company and not actually having (almost) any hardware or radio patents.
Are you dense? Apple has *thousands* of hardware patents. I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic at hand however.
I don't see Apple applying common sense like they are doing now when they want a product to be banned for having rounded corners.
No, it's being banned for looking like an iPad, plain and simple.
If we start applying common sense like Samsung is doing for defense against Apple (or like Apple is doing right now) then 99.9% of all patents and lawsuits should be invalidated. But oh boy, do they like to play the patents game!
Citation. How many lawsuits does Apple have currently that they've initiated over patents. I'm sure this must be a very long list, since they "like to play" that game so much!
They use patents to protect certain things (like the look of the iPad, or to keep control of how the dock connector is used), and not simply as a way to sue for money or block other companies from competing with their own designs.
All of them are just obvious and not innovative at all (ipad/iphone design is just *popular*, nothing *new*, and there's no patent for "popular"), or critical to entering a market, like these FRAND patents.
They aren't critical, and they aren't "obvious". Apple isn't claiming the rights to a slab with a screen. They are claiming the rights to a slab with a screen that looks like theirs. There are countless ways to design a slab with a screen, and Apple has theirs. They are only demanding that Samsung choose one of the others. Coke claims the right to the shape of their bottles. Apple claims the right to the design of their tablets. On what kind of bizarro world is this not rational?
Apple saying now that they think its unfair because its a silly patent when they are King Of Suing For Silly Patents is just being hypocrite.
Such as?
I'd like to see how others compete with Apple if they can't produce stuff with rounded corners, horizontal picture scrolling, a grid of icons, etc... like Apple wants them to.
Straw man overgeneralization. Apple isn't suing simply over "rounded corners, horizontal picture scrolling, a grid of icons". They are suing over specific implementations of these that are too similar to Apple's inventions.