Heavily OO (lots of drag and drop with mouse movements which is slow IMHO) at the expense of the end user, which they say they avoid somehow:
The idea of auto-generating the user interface from the business model definition is not new, but the resulting user interfaces have often been poor in terms of usability. Critics say that this approach is merely making life easier for the programmer at the expense of the user. We believe that the naked objects approach avoids such criticism. We do not mean that the user interface of a naked object system scores highly on every aspect of usability. However, we do argue that naked object systems are overall more usable than most traditional systems, even those where a great deal of attention has been paid to usability. This derives from the fact that object-oriented user interfaces better match the way that most people think about the tasks they are performing.
I disagree with their assertion that OO UIs are a better match. Programmatically maybe, but I don't think it lends itself well to efficient user interaction. I encourage people to download the demo and run through the user stories. I think you'll quickly understand what I mean about its inefficiencies.
I'm still investigating the Millstone user interface library for development of networked Java applications that was posted in a eariler article. This seems like the type of framework I've been looking for: the ability to swap in-and-out different presentation layers without affecting the business logic (classic MVC pattern).
Treating The Causes, Not The Symptoms" Patricia Lemer
This is the name of one seminar my wife attended at our church (www.mcleanbible.org) in March of this year. The church hosted a conference dealing with children with developmental issues. My wife who is a elementary school teacher went to it and bought some of the tapes. I listened to one about ADHD and it was very enlightening. The woman talked about diet and immunizations as causes of ADHD. She takes a systematic approach to helping people with the disorder.
You can order the tapes here: http://www.dovetapes.com/Inventory/ALS2002.html
Of course you can google on her name for more info too. HTH.
This release is simply the latest RedHat release (and note that RedHat is NOT the same as linux or GNU/linux), and it seems pretty certain they wanted the interface to be a combination of Aqua and XP for fairly obvious reasons - new users will feel comfortable.
That's what I said in my first post: "I can understand the desire to create a Linux desktop that has the same look & feel of Windows for the user just switching to/trying Linux."
But there are LOTS of other options.
OK, then show me please!
There are MANY innovative projects in linux, or free/open software. Like ghostscript, for example. Or apache. Or BIND. Or sendmail/qmail/postfix (prolly 95% of all the MTAs are free/open software). Like Slashcode. Like bash. Like the kazillion windowmanagers.
I'm not arguing about those innovations. I'm asking for someone to show me a UI environment that doesn't look like Windows! And I'm not talking about a skinned window manager. I'm talking about something really innovative unlike all the other desktops out there.
But the default user interface from RedHat looks and feels a lot like XP which looks and feels a lot like Aqua which looks and feels a lot like MacOS which looks and feels a lot like Windows95.
I'm wondering if people actually try to understand my comments before responding...:(
Yeah, like there aren't a ton of different file managers? They give you a 'explorer' type interface because people are familiar with it. If you want innovation, use a different file manager.
My original post is asking for help from someone to show me a different and innovative UI. Can you give me some pointers?
But some of us just aren't ready for managing files in a 3d relational database structure.
I am!
Besides which, since when is Linux = KDE/Gnome?
I didn't say that nor did I imply that.
It's only KDE/Gnome that you're talking about. If you don't like the enviornment, then use a different desktop system!
Again, I was looking for some help here. Please show me a different and innovative UI environment that doesn't just copy Microsoft. Thanks.
I can understand the desire to create a Linux desktop that has the same look & feel of Windows for the user just switching to/trying Linux. But can someone show me some innovations from the Linux camp in the area of user interfaces? It seems like KDE and Gnome are directly copying Windows:
- Same launch menu - Same quick launch buttons - Same tray icons - Same file manager
Many Linux users state how Microsoft isn't an innovator, yet Linux is constantly trying to imitate them! What's that trite saying about the sincerest form of flattery?
Now with MOz's interface scheme, as with a lot of other cross-platform libraries like Java, QT, etc, it doesn't tie into the OS control toolkit and instead relies on drawing it's own widgets. To do the former would have to break cross-platform ability (I've yet to see a fully cross-platform system that uses the system's native toolkit...
The SWT Java UI library uses native windows: www.eclipse.org
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I agree completely. I've said this in as many words before. Glad to see this got modded up.
Heavily OO (lots of drag and drop with mouse movements which is slow IMHO) at the expense of the end user, which they say they avoid somehow:
I disagree with their assertion that OO UIs are a better match. Programmatically maybe, but I don't think it lends itself well to efficient user interaction. I encourage people to download the demo and run through the user stories. I think you'll quickly understand what I mean about its inefficiencies.I'm still investigating the Millstone user interface library for development of networked Java applications that was posted in a eariler article. This seems like the type of framework I've been looking for: the ability to swap in-and-out different presentation layers without affecting the business logic (classic MVC pattern).
And check this website out too:
"The dietary connection to better behavior, learning & health"
http://www.feingold.org/
Treating The Causes, Not The Symptoms"
Patricia Lemer
This is the name of one seminar my wife attended at our church (www.mcleanbible.org) in March of this year. The church hosted a conference dealing with children with developmental issues. My wife who is a elementary school teacher went to it and bought some of the tapes. I listened to one about ADHD and it was very enlightening. The woman talked about diet and immunizations as causes of ADHD. She takes a systematic approach to helping people with the disorder.
You can order the tapes here: http://www.dovetapes.com/Inventory/ALS2002.html
Of course you can google on her name for more info too. HTH.
That's what I said in my first post: "I can understand the desire to create a Linux desktop that has the same look & feel of Windows for the user just switching to/trying Linux."
OK, then show me please!
I'm not arguing about those innovations. I'm asking for someone to show me a UI environment that doesn't look like Windows! And I'm not talking about a skinned window manager. I'm talking about something really innovative unlike all the other desktops out there.
I'm wondering if people actually try to understand my comments before responding...
My original post is asking for help from someone to show me a different and innovative UI. Can you give me some pointers?
I am!
I didn't say that nor did I imply that.
Again, I was looking for some help here. Please show me a different and innovative UI environment that doesn't just copy Microsoft. Thanks.
I can understand the desire to create a Linux desktop that has the same look & feel of Windows for the user just switching to/trying Linux. But can someone show me some innovations from the Linux camp in the area of user interfaces? It seems like KDE and Gnome are directly copying Windows:
- Same launch menu
- Same quick launch buttons
- Same tray icons
- Same file manager
Many Linux users state how Microsoft isn't an innovator, yet Linux is constantly trying to imitate them! What's that trite saying about the sincerest form of flattery?
At least the password is in all caps :)
I'm tired of hearing people complain about privacy and security and how they can't trust anyone.
If you can't trust your own democratic government, who can you trust?
Is the real issue here that there's something broken with the form of government we in the U.S. live under? If so, what's the solution?!
Anyone can throw darts and identify problems, but I want to see someone with SOLUTIONS.
...dead pixels!
When they've fixed the dead pixel thing, sign me up.