And all of this is different from old iPhones, old Android phones, old Blackberry phones...how?
I would grant that Apple actually does a decent job of supporting older hardware, especially as they build new features into IOS that rely upon the newer hardware. You can buy an iPhone 5s today, and it'll run the latest version (at this moment, 9.3.4) of IOS. Android...less so, but that's probably as much to blame on the (numerous and non-coordinated) hardware vendors as anyone else.
This! I've had my iPhone 5 since 2011, and it's nowhere near obsolete, while many friends who don't buy that "overpriced Apple shit" are on their third Android phone since that time. They saved a little money each time - in their minds I guess. One likes to make jokes about how wealthy I must be to afford an iPhone.
I'll use it until the battery craps out, I guess, and they'll save even more money on their 5th Android by that time.
You use all the positives and see none of the negatives. Again the OP used 16c/kwh RETAIL as their baseline. Do you know that means that probably the wholesale value, you know the value the juice is worth at the turbine, is probably around a nickel, meaning it will take 45 years to pay back. Even giving this project every possible break, it made no sense. Adding in a touch of reality puts it in crazy land.
Only seing the positives? Every technology has positives and negatives. Wind isn't "on" at all times, but is pretty good environmentally. Oil is so volatile in price that its impossible to set a budget. But its tremendos as far as portability and energy density goes. It's also not renewable. Coal is cheap, but seriously dirty and environmentally a disaster, from mining to disposal. Nuclear power has the potential to be awesome, and clean but has the isue of incredible power density, and a serious credibilty issue based on ground truth. Humans and their vested interests make safe nuc power very difficult to obtain. It's too bad we rushed to install it too soon. As well, teh paradigm og mega mega plants exacerbates the problem. In my nuc powered world, w'd have modern versions of the SL-1, obviously without the ancient probalematic technology. But small enough that we wouldn't create huge exclusion zones when one does go kablooey.
Smaller nuc plants make a stratregic improvement as well. If I were going to war with another country, my biggest hope would be that they have as few power plants feeding as many people as possible. You can save on ordnance that way, and much bang for the buck is achieved, and very quicly with as little loss of my own people. and if they were nuc plants, I could hammer them very hard indeed.
I've spent a lot of time studying power options, and I gotta tell ya, youe back of the envelope off the cuff calculations are simply skewed toward people wanting other options than wind.
Power to the mainland, you say? So something like a "transmission line" will be built? Well then - put the turbines on land, run a transmission line - and you're done! No need for offshore, is there?
Land is the problem in this case. There is no doubt that an on-land set of wind turbines would be more economical and easy to service. But then you'd be running perhaps 17 miles of cables instead of 8 or so. (I'm not certain of the specific placement of the towers) But there's possibly a substation that can be eliminated.
But we are talking about Rhode Island, which is a pretty densely populated place. Land for Turbines doesn't just show up easily.
But yeah - obviously there will have to be transmission lines going to both places.
Near us, along the Allegheny front, there are a lot of turbines going up, and more are being built. Only a few are complaining, and they seem to have a back to the caves mentality. You know, back when we only had woodburning computers, and we were grateful for them.
No not every turbine is going to fail in 20 years. Some will fail sooner, some later and maybe one will fail at exactly 20 years, but I doubt it. Average means average. Why do you keep trying to bury yourself in this position?
I'm not arguig to say they are all going to fail. They will be a piece of capital equipment like all other peices of capital equipment. They'll be maintained just like any pice of capital equipment will. You don't get sarcasm? We've heard how Prious batteries were going to fail and leave the owners with a huge bill. Yet there is a 100 percent warranty of 100K miles or 150K miles i California. The biggest problem is that they aren't failing - you really want that battery pack to die at 99,999.99 miles so you can get that new battery pack for free. Same with Solar electrical power. The solar cells only have a X number of years lifetime, and we hear it a lot in here.
The biggest problem at the moment is the decision of when to install them, as solar electric is in a mild form of what happened in teh mid 90's with computers. Buy one, and next week there is a better model.
The original poster figured out the costs on this particular project were not very good. QED.
As for the costs - How is that calculated? Is the cost figuring that after 20 years (yeah - give or take) that the entire structure will need to be replaced? From the mooring to 100 percent of the structure? For a land based unit will the roads have to be recut, the footings repaired and thelines to and from the towers need replaced - in other words starting completely over again every 20 years, give or take.
Now it's pretty obvious to you that I'm a dumfuk, but I suspect not. I suspect that it will become over a period of time that parts will be replaced. And that period of time will be a lot longer than 20 years.
I took a tour of a natgas power generating facility recently. They have a jet engine-like turbine that they use. While not super efficient in herently, they use the residual heat from the echaust to cerate steam for heat and get 80 percent of the energy out of the natgas. Very cool and impressive technology. But I digress. The point is, they have replaced capital equipment now twice in the last ten years, and may do it again in 5 more. Some times for efficiency, sometimes for power, some times forgeneral wear and tear.
And that is my point overall. You don't just put up a plant of any other mode of power generation than coal or nuc or natgas, and have maintenace while coal and nuc or natgas have no maintenance. They all have maintenance. Putting in the new turbines did not require leveling the building and starting over. And unless a nuc plant goes kablooey, (a technical term) you don't completely rebuild or write them off. We've seen that their licenses are often extended, and they do maintenance on them. Just like anything else.
My final point is that this 20 year number is not only too short, but is very vague. It seems to assume a specific lifetime, then assumes a complete starting over. None of these methods have such a stringent set of parameters. Unless of course, another agenda is being pushed. I wonder what that would be?
If your email provider is a public email provider (like gmail), they ask for your other email passwords so they can import contacts too, when you signup. I guess you have to stop using all public email providers, cos they all pull the same shit.
They don't get any such thing form me. Its not even like I have anything to hide, but they might.
Wow! a +5 insightful for a person who just said every single conspiracy theory is 100 percent true.
Straw man.
You use that term I do not think it means what you think it means.
It sure doesn't mean being wowed when repeating what a person wrote.
But we perhaps get sidetracked.
And all you wankers that try to shut down conversation by crying "CT! CT!" should get a room to fully jerk that circle.
That would not be me. I find conspiracy theories and their adherents to be fascinating, and often quite funny. So please don't stop!
Conspiracy theories and especially their adherents are related to Schizophrenic speech patterns, and the "word salad" that sometimes happens. In the case of schizophrenia, while fascinating, it isn't funny. But paranoids are not psychotic, so we can have fun with ya.
It usually starts out as a cause and effect thing. but instead of gathering evidence and discarding the concept you are working on if the evidence doesn't fit, the paranoid discards evidence that doesn't fit, and bends other evidence to fit the theory. In the end it goes full circular, with blaming the people or system that are supposedly behind the conspiracy, then when confronted and possibly cornered with their half-facts, they resort to the Can't you just see that these people are doing this? Aren't you listening to all I said?
When a government lies to you, spends billions to spy on you, and is willing to kidnap and torture people to death from around the world.....that government has lost any benefit of the doubt.
Aaannnd there you go!
Can't you just see that the government is evil and has done bad things mean that there really is perpetual motion, that we really didn't land on the moon, that the earth's core is doing something wrong, that humans are too stupid to do things, so Ancient aliens! That a man and a woman have managed to murder 50 some people now and the only people standing in their way are conspiracy theorists. That aliens have come to earth to cut out cow's assholes. That the holocaust was faked. The current occupant controls the weather.The earth is flat and Zetetic Astronomy is the real truth.The earth is hollow, Hitler is still going strong at over 125 years old. The moon is a hologram. The government is putting toxic chemicals in jet engine fuel to create chemtrails. Second theory is that the chmtrails are there to use as a projector screen to stage a fake alien invasion in order to declare martial law. Princess Diana was killed by British special forces. Ted Cruz's father was involved in the Kennedy assassination, and a dozen other Kennedy theories, and all must be correct, right? AIDS was created by the CIA to kill gay people. Flight 800 was shot down by the US on purpose. School shootings are faked and never happened, school shootings are faked and were done by the CIA. The "face on Mars" proves that there is life on Mars. George Bush cause Katrina to blunt criticism. The present occupant caused the oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico for the same reason. Vaccines cause autism. Coca-Cola created New Coke purposely to create demand for Coke Classic. All verifiable theories, and there are more.
NO Muchacho! Do not stop. You and your ilk feed my lulz, and I would be truly sad of you all stopped. I want you all to come up with more and more conspiracies, and the wilder the better. Now get back to work!
OK, so why is offshore wind about the worst source of electricity when you look at the levelized cost? It lags behind onshore wind and PV - significantly. Costs for offshore are very high - and maintenance is a big killer. Should you abandon after 20 years? Probably not - but the reality is your return is MUCH closer to what I posted (0.82%) than what the GP posted (6%).
Location location location. The alternative for the Island is diesel fuel. Diesel fuel has known problems, but is relatively compact. So you use what makes for the best source. A nuc plant would take up valuable resources like space. As well, the evacuation plans in case of an emergency would be a problem on a small island. And yes, a fair number of people don't like it.
So yeah - an offshore windfarm is a compromise. But all power sources are compromises. So we have an island that is about 9.7 square miles, and a population of 1041 (2010 census) Apparently the Turbines are going to power about 17,000 homes, so obviously there will be power goint to the mainland as well.
You know you can just skip that step...just like Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp and a bunch of others that ask for access to your contact list just so they can spam them.
I did. I wouldn't trust anyone who asks me for may email password. That's pretty egregious. So I skipped them altogether.
A modern wind turbines will be designed to work for 120 000 hours throughout their estimated life-span of 20 years. This would be the turbine operating for approximately 66% of the time for two decades. This is far more than modern car engine which is built to last for 4 000 to 6 000 hours of use. This equates to an average of 49 minutes driving a day over the same two decades.
Does it say why exactly why a wind turbine is impossible to maintain, or exactly why they fall apart after 20 years? And why you have to start over again on all aspects? Pretty scary, because that means a whole shitload here are going to fail at the same time, are halfway through their unalterable lifetime, and we better tell the people maintaining them that they are waisting their time. because there is no point. 20 years after installation, it invariably goes completely kaput.
So how long do they last? You castigate Ravenshrike for pulling things out of his butt, but you do the same and say they will be active for much longer than 20 years.
Well, its no more pulled out of his ass than the turbines around here, where they get shut down every so often, get some maintenance, and start right back up. These things are not built to be disposable, and capital depreciation and every single element that any other power generation method is in force. Wind power does not have special laws of business and physics that makes them unmaintainable and self destruct after whatever period you choose to have them self destruct at.
Note: it takes 17 years to recoup your initial investment; you'll make profit only for the last 3 years of the 20 year lifespan. Assuming the annual income rate is (1/17 * 300 million) $17.6 million, you're looking to make $53 million on that investment, over a 20 year period. That's about a 0.82% rate. And that assumes your maintenance costs are zero...
Wrong-A-Rio. That 20 years maximum limit, after which the turbines are apparently going to blow up an all the parts will kill every puppy in teh world is maximus bullshit. It's the same sort of BS that people use to say that solar panels die immediately after the warranty period, or any of the other FUD they spout.
These devices are built to be maintained, and are capital equipment just like a Natural gas turbine of Nuc power generating plant. You don't abandon those plants 3 years after their payback now do you? Abandon the Nuc plant instead of changing out the fuel? Probably not. You maintain and continue to use them.
The offshore wind plants are more expensive to build, obviously And while we've been building a lot of the turbines here in the US - we've had the advantage of having a lot of open land and windy places to put them, unlike Europe where things are a little more crowded.
But they are doing just fine, a capital investment just like any other type of power generation method.
Is there a clause in the terms saying "you can read our shit, but don't read lots of it too fast"?
Exactly. Page scraping isn't illegal (yet).
If you put stuff out there for the public to consume, expect it to be consumed, just not necessarily in the way you intended.
Illegal or not, When I was first invited to LinkedIn, I though I'd try it. Went through most of the process, and then they asked for my email password. SRSLY? Ostensibly to mine ny address book for people to invite, but what the hell - they would have my password. So that was about enough of that.
Giving them unfettered access to your email is probably the "other information" named in the summary. And now so do other people.
Then again, someont who owuld share that sort of thing probably uses Password1 or some other dumb one.
You drinking the lie that somehow the Republican party is represented by such tripe and that they cannot help it because they are somehow less intelligent than you.
Actually, I'm much more of an observer. You're just engendering the Koolaid pejoratives because I'm making you uncomfortable.
Out of 17 Presidential candidates in the 2016 race, Trump received 13,300,472 votes in the primary voting, His closest competitor was Ted Cruz, with 7,637,262 votes. This was a record number of votes, Surpassing both Romney and Bush 2.
Out of the 1,237 delegates needed to win, and 2,472 delegates total trump had a total of 1543, an overwhelming majority.
Out of the 50 states plus D of C there were only 12 that Trump did not win.
That is not just winning - it is overwhelmingly winning, with a record being set in the process.
Now since here we are in 2016 with conspiracy kooks claiming that we now have 50 people killed by the Clintons, allow us to touch on conspiracy, being germane to the topic.
Rafael Cruz was involved in the JFK assassination,
He watched as Muslims celebrated in New Jesey when 9-11 happened.
He has literally dozens of conspiracy theories, and I "heard people talking" is no excuse. Its his way of saying "Not sayin', just sayin'. Sayin' is sayin', and if you can't say, don't say. He's sayin'
Donald Trump won the primaries overwhelmingly, setting a record in the process, and his campaign appearances have people cheering wildly for him in rapt attention. We can both watch them. Yet he does not represent the thoughts and minds of the party that nominated him to this position?
Well now, that is an interesting position. I'm really enjoyin' the dance here.
Hater's got to hate and you have been drinking the Kool-Aid of hate son.
You gotta provide more than just a declaration. Explain how I hate. Show what I have written is indicative of my koolaid drinking.
I am not a member of the political party that has nominated a birther, a person who would disrespect a Gold star mother, and a person who just suggested the old second amendment solution to his opponent, and today called the present occupant and the Democrat's candidate's the founder of ISIS. That sounds like codified, accepted, and voted upon by his political party, and party blessed prepresentative, and one who shares - or more importantly - represents their core values
Unless of course, you find that me pointing out all of the above is hatred. Pointing it out isn't hatred, not pointing it out might just be more sharing, or at leaast keeping one's mouth sut until they come for him. This is your party bobbied, not mine. There are plenty enough kooks on the other side. It's not quite so officially endorsed however, and I ain't one of them either. Care to dance?
Yes, I know, let's get the jokes out of the way first.
Now, seriously, EHF is going to be seriously attenuated by windows and walls, being pure line of sight communication. I suppose the assumption is that people would use wifi for anything indoors? What if your windows don't face a local tower? Multiplicity of towers to avoid that situation? Increased infrastructure costs associated with this?
This doesn't sound likely in the near term.
Marketing forces have yet to defeat the laws of physics. Between the frquencies that would have to be used, and playing with Shannon's limit - which can be violated up to infinite data transmission with an infinite amount of power, 5G speed will almost certainly be relegated to the laboratory.
Radio frequencies do not act all the same. Some, like HF, can give worldwide transmissions, some times at power levels that make your cell phone look hugely overpowered, and frequency dependent on time of day and the sunspot cycle. At other times be completely dead becaus of solar activity. Low VHF is a crapshoot, often dead, sometimes opening up. None of that is useable for data. At VHF, it is starting to get interesting, but an effect know as tropospheric ducting will sometimes cause signals from far away to come in and interfere with the ones you want.
Now the VHF and UHF and above frequencies have adesireable effect. They usually are line of sight only, and they become even shorter in transmission/reception distance as they go up in frequency. The 2.4 GHz frequencies used for wireless routers are actually well suited for Wi-Fi. They attenuate quickly enough to allow for other people nearby to have their own wi-fi devices.
But eventually we get to the point that the RF is absorbed by things like water, leaves, bodies. And if the 5G is going to be at 24 GHZ, well good luck. As noted, you'll need to be darn close to the transmitter, you'll need to have a good bit of power on both ends. So it's fiber right up to a few inches away.
5G is almost as much hypefail as Broadband over Power Lines, which had so many failure points it was an exercise in suck.
So a quick trip to Wikipedia.... and multiple gunshot suicide is actually a thing. And not just "guy rigged up two guns", but actual "dude took 3 shots in the chest to kill himself" multiple gunshot suicide.
For certain. Too many people seem to have the Television concept of murder or suicide. one shot, and immediate death. And of course, if you do it Bud Dwyer style, it probably will be immediate. But lots of peopleshoot themselves, and don't die until they bleed to. Which takes a little while plenty of time to nil yourself again.
But the biggest question of all for the kooks is how thise people can be so clever to kill so many people yet use such whacked and suspicious methods that just so happen to make them look very, very suspicious but otherwise have managed to kill 50 people by now. And not one of their paid assassins they use to dispatch anyone that agrees with them has ever came forth. Such a combination of skill, dumbfuckery and incredible conspiratorial luck has never been seen before.
Anyhow, the kooks should get back to proving the moon landings never happened, or thatSomething is wrong with the Earth's core. Booms, sounds, massive bird deaths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Thank gawd that a brave whistleblower stood up to the corrupt Government to let us know? Wake up America, the end is nigh!
Being a Conservative Republican myself since Regan.. This list is hog wash born in the darkest corner of Arkansas. The Clinton's are many nasty things, but they are NOT stupid enough to be out ordering hits on their detractors. I don't put it past some of their supporters, but Bill and Hill wouldn't do something as stupid as you suggest.
So can we PLEASE STOP with this tripe?
No, they can't Stop. Because batshit crazy is the New normal for your party. I've always been registered independent, but voted pretty solid Republican until the kooks took over the party. This has been drilled into them by their echo chamber and visceral hatred until the final stage has been reached. A creation that has leapfrogged the extreme right to enable the conspiracy theories to become mainstream Republican dogma.
I truly fear for the future of a party that used to be able to depend on my vote, but is now as likely to get it as me voting for Putin for President of the US.
Iran-Contra. That stuff's like, on drugs man. And perpetrated by the most powerful man in the world.
Hillary? That's the amazing thing about the Clintons. They can spread their corruption long before they were even in power. Almost like one presidential candidate's blaming the current occupant for the death of that muslim soldier in Iraq, when he wasn't even in office.
That would be the same whatreallyhappened.com that thinks all of modern cosmology is a big conspiracy. Yeah.
Do not oppose the kooks of Slashdot. They will demand your longform birth certificate and proof that you aren't the person behind the chemtrails or HAARP.
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And all of this is different from old iPhones, old Android phones, old Blackberry phones...how?
I would grant that Apple actually does a decent job of supporting older hardware, especially as they build new features into IOS that rely upon the newer hardware. You can buy an iPhone 5s today, and it'll run the latest version (at this moment, 9.3.4) of IOS. Android...less so, but that's probably as much to blame on the (numerous and non-coordinated) hardware vendors as anyone else.
This! I've had my iPhone 5 since 2011, and it's nowhere near obsolete, while many friends who don't buy that "overpriced Apple shit" are on their third Android phone since that time. They saved a little money each time - in their minds I guess. One likes to make jokes about how wealthy I must be to afford an iPhone.
I'll use it until the battery craps out, I guess, and they'll save even more money on their 5th Android by that time.
Grandma rocks!
And don't take no crap from anyone either.
I assume by "barely works" you mean works great, right? Because it does - work great that is. We've used it for at least 18 years with great success. .
For the same reason that Password1 is popular.
To prevent Windows from tracking which network support WPAD, you need to make a simple registry change:
That's the method that Grandma uses.
You use all the positives and see none of the negatives. Again the OP used 16c/kwh RETAIL as their baseline. Do you know that means that probably the wholesale value, you know the value the juice is worth at the turbine, is probably around a nickel, meaning it will take 45 years to pay back. Even giving this project every possible break, it made no sense. Adding in a touch of reality puts it in crazy land.
Only seing the positives? Every technology has positives and negatives. Wind isn't "on" at all times, but is pretty good environmentally. Oil is so volatile in price that its impossible to set a budget. But its tremendos as far as portability and energy density goes. It's also not renewable. Coal is cheap, but seriously dirty and environmentally a disaster, from mining to disposal. Nuclear power has the potential to be awesome, and clean but has the isue of incredible power density, and a serious credibilty issue based on ground truth. Humans and their vested interests make safe nuc power very difficult to obtain. It's too bad we rushed to install it too soon. As well, teh paradigm og mega mega plants exacerbates the problem. In my nuc powered world, w'd have modern versions of the SL-1, obviously without the ancient probalematic technology. But small enough that we wouldn't create huge exclusion zones when one does go kablooey.
Smaller nuc plants make a stratregic improvement as well. If I were going to war with another country, my biggest hope would be that they have as few power plants feeding as many people as possible. You can save on ordnance that way, and much bang for the buck is achieved, and very quicly with as little loss of my own people. and if they were nuc plants, I could hammer them very hard indeed.
I've spent a lot of time studying power options, and I gotta tell ya, youe back of the envelope off the cuff calculations are simply skewed toward people wanting other options than wind.
Of course they dont get any such thing from you. They still ask it, just like linkedin, and provide a skip option just like linkedin.
They get it from a lot of folks though. I'm just saying that is remarkably foolish thing to do. You have an issue with people offering prudent advice?
Power to the mainland, you say? So something like a "transmission line" will be built? Well then - put the turbines on land, run a transmission line - and you're done! No need for offshore, is there?
Land is the problem in this case. There is no doubt that an on-land set of wind turbines would be more economical and easy to service. But then you'd be running perhaps 17 miles of cables instead of 8 or so. (I'm not certain of the specific placement of the towers) But there's possibly a substation that can be eliminated.
But we are talking about Rhode Island, which is a pretty densely populated place. Land for Turbines doesn't just show up easily.
But yeah - obviously there will have to be transmission lines going to both places.
Near us, along the Allegheny front, there are a lot of turbines going up, and more are being built. Only a few are complaining, and they seem to have a back to the caves mentality. You know, back when we only had woodburning computers, and we were grateful for them.
No not every turbine is going to fail in 20 years. Some will fail sooner, some later and maybe one will fail at exactly 20 years, but I doubt it. Average means average. Why do you keep trying to bury yourself in this position?
I'm not arguig to say they are all going to fail. They will be a piece of capital equipment like all other peices of capital equipment. They'll be maintained just like any pice of capital equipment will. You don't get sarcasm? We've heard how Prious batteries were going to fail and leave the owners with a huge bill. Yet there is a 100 percent warranty of 100K miles or 150K miles i California. The biggest problem is that they aren't failing - you really want that battery pack to die at 99,999.99 miles so you can get that new battery pack for free. Same with Solar electrical power. The solar cells only have a X number of years lifetime, and we hear it a lot in here.
The biggest problem at the moment is the decision of when to install them, as solar electric is in a mild form of what happened in teh mid 90's with computers. Buy one, and next week there is a better model.
The original poster figured out the costs on this particular project were not very good. QED.
As for the costs - How is that calculated? Is the cost figuring that after 20 years (yeah - give or take) that the entire structure will need to be replaced? From the mooring to 100 percent of the structure? For a land based unit will the roads have to be recut, the footings repaired and thelines to and from the towers need replaced - in other words starting completely over again every 20 years, give or take.
Now it's pretty obvious to you that I'm a dumfuk, but I suspect not. I suspect that it will become over a period of time that parts will be replaced. And that period of time will be a lot longer than 20 years.
I took a tour of a natgas power generating facility recently. They have a jet engine-like turbine that they use. While not super efficient in herently, they use the residual heat from the echaust to cerate steam for heat and get 80 percent of the energy out of the natgas. Very cool and impressive technology. But I digress. The point is, they have replaced capital equipment now twice in the last ten years, and may do it again in 5 more. Some times for efficiency, sometimes for power, some times forgeneral wear and tear.
And that is my point overall. You don't just put up a plant of any other mode of power generation than coal or nuc or natgas, and have maintenace while coal and nuc or natgas have no maintenance. They all have maintenance. Putting in the new turbines did not require leveling the building and starting over. And unless a nuc plant goes kablooey, (a technical term) you don't completely rebuild or write them off. We've seen that their licenses are often extended, and they do maintenance on them. Just like anything else. My final point is that this 20 year number is not only too short, but is very vague. It seems to assume a specific lifetime, then assumes a complete starting over. None of these methods have such a stringent set of parameters. Unless of course, another agenda is being pushed. I wonder what that would be?
If your email provider is a public email provider (like gmail), they ask for your other email passwords so they can import contacts too, when you signup. I guess you have to stop using all public email providers, cos they all pull the same shit.
They don't get any such thing form me. Its not even like I have anything to hide, but they might.
Straw man.
You use that term I do not think it means what you think it means.
It sure doesn't mean being wowed when repeating what a person wrote.
But we perhaps get sidetracked.
And all you wankers that try to shut down conversation by crying "CT! CT!" should get a room to fully jerk that circle.
That would not be me. I find conspiracy theories and their adherents to be fascinating, and often quite funny. So please don't stop!
Conspiracy theories and especially their adherents are related to Schizophrenic speech patterns, and the "word salad" that sometimes happens. In the case of schizophrenia, while fascinating, it isn't funny. But paranoids are not psychotic, so we can have fun with ya.
It usually starts out as a cause and effect thing. but instead of gathering evidence and discarding the concept you are working on if the evidence doesn't fit, the paranoid discards evidence that doesn't fit, and bends other evidence to fit the theory. In the end it goes full circular, with blaming the people or system that are supposedly behind the conspiracy, then when confronted and possibly cornered with their half-facts, they resort to the Can't you just see that these people are doing this? Aren't you listening to all I said?
When a government lies to you, spends billions to spy on you, and is willing to kidnap and torture people to death from around the world.....that government has lost any benefit of the doubt.
Aaannnd there you go!
Can't you just see that the government is evil and has done bad things mean that there really is perpetual motion, that we really didn't land on the moon, that the earth's core is doing something wrong, that humans are too stupid to do things, so Ancient aliens! That a man and a woman have managed to murder 50 some people now and the only people standing in their way are conspiracy theorists. That aliens have come to earth to cut out cow's assholes. That the holocaust was faked. The current occupant controls the weather.The earth is flat and Zetetic Astronomy is the real truth.The earth is hollow, Hitler is still going strong at over 125 years old. The moon is a hologram. The government is putting toxic chemicals in jet engine fuel to create chemtrails. Second theory is that the chmtrails are there to use as a projector screen to stage a fake alien invasion in order to declare martial law. Princess Diana was killed by British special forces. Ted Cruz's father was involved in the Kennedy assassination, and a dozen other Kennedy theories, and all must be correct, right? AIDS was created by the CIA to kill gay people. Flight 800 was shot down by the US on purpose. School shootings are faked and never happened, school shootings are faked and were done by the CIA. The "face on Mars" proves that there is life on Mars. George Bush cause Katrina to blunt criticism. The present occupant caused the oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico for the same reason. Vaccines cause autism. Coca-Cola created New Coke purposely to create demand for Coke Classic. All verifiable theories, and there are more.
NO Muchacho! Do not stop. You and your ilk feed my lulz, and I would be truly sad of you all stopped. I want you all to come up with more and more conspiracies, and the wilder the better. Now get back to work!
OK, so why is offshore wind about the worst source of electricity when you look at the levelized cost? It lags behind onshore wind and PV - significantly. Costs for offshore are very high - and maintenance is a big killer. Should you abandon after 20 years? Probably not - but the reality is your return is MUCH closer to what I posted (0.82%) than what the GP posted (6%).
Location location location. The alternative for the Island is diesel fuel. Diesel fuel has known problems, but is relatively compact. So you use what makes for the best source. A nuc plant would take up valuable resources like space. As well, the evacuation plans in case of an emergency would be a problem on a small island. And yes, a fair number of people don't like it.
So yeah - an offshore windfarm is a compromise. But all power sources are compromises. So we have an island that is about 9.7 square miles, and a population of 1041 (2010 census) Apparently the Turbines are going to power about 17,000 homes, so obviously there will be power goint to the mainland as well.
So what is your solution?
You know you can just skip that step...just like Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp and a bunch of others that ask for access to your contact list just so they can spam them.
I did. I wouldn't trust anyone who asks me for may email password. That's pretty egregious. So I skipped them altogether.
A modern wind turbines will be designed to work for 120 000 hours throughout their estimated life-span of 20 years. This would be the turbine operating for approximately 66% of the time for two decades. This is far more than modern car engine which is built to last for 4 000 to 6 000 hours of use. This equates to an average of 49 minutes driving a day over the same two decades.
Does it say why exactly why a wind turbine is impossible to maintain, or exactly why they fall apart after 20 years? And why you have to start over again on all aspects? Pretty scary, because that means a whole shitload here are going to fail at the same time, are halfway through their unalterable lifetime, and we better tell the people maintaining them that they are waisting their time. because there is no point. 20 years after installation, it invariably goes completely kaput.
So how long do they last? You castigate Ravenshrike for pulling things out of his butt, but you do the same and say they will be active for much longer than 20 years.
Well, its no more pulled out of his ass than the turbines around here, where they get shut down every so often, get some maintenance, and start right back up. These things are not built to be disposable, and capital depreciation and every single element that any other power generation method is in force. Wind power does not have special laws of business and physics that makes them unmaintainable and self destruct after whatever period you choose to have them self destruct at.
Note: it takes 17 years to recoup your initial investment; you'll make profit only for the last 3 years of the 20 year lifespan. Assuming the annual income rate is (1/17 * 300 million) $17.6 million, you're looking to make $53 million on that investment, over a 20 year period. That's about a 0.82% rate. And that assumes your maintenance costs are zero...
Wrong-A-Rio. That 20 years maximum limit, after which the turbines are apparently going to blow up an all the parts will kill every puppy in teh world is maximus bullshit. It's the same sort of BS that people use to say that solar panels die immediately after the warranty period, or any of the other FUD they spout.
These devices are built to be maintained, and are capital equipment just like a Natural gas turbine of Nuc power generating plant. You don't abandon those plants 3 years after their payback now do you? Abandon the Nuc plant instead of changing out the fuel? Probably not. You maintain and continue to use them.
The offshore wind plants are more expensive to build, obviously And while we've been building a lot of the turbines here in the US - we've had the advantage of having a lot of open land and windy places to put them, unlike Europe where things are a little more crowded.
But they are doing just fine, a capital investment just like any other type of power generation method.
Is there a clause in the terms saying "you can read our shit, but don't read lots of it too fast"?
Exactly. Page scraping isn't illegal (yet).
If you put stuff out there for the public to consume, expect it to be consumed, just not necessarily in the way you intended.
Illegal or not, When I was first invited to LinkedIn, I though I'd try it. Went through most of the process, and then they asked for my email password. SRSLY? Ostensibly to mine ny address book for people to invite, but what the hell - they would have my password. So that was about enough of that.
Giving them unfettered access to your email is probably the "other information" named in the summary. And now so do other people. Then again, someont who owuld share that sort of thing probably uses Password1 or some other dumb one.
You drinking the lie that somehow the Republican party is represented by such tripe and that they cannot help it because they are somehow less intelligent than you.
Actually, I'm much more of an observer. You're just engendering the Koolaid pejoratives because I'm making you uncomfortable.
Out of 17 Presidential candidates in the 2016 race, Trump received 13,300,472 votes in the primary voting, His closest competitor was Ted Cruz, with 7,637,262 votes. This was a record number of votes, Surpassing both Romney and Bush 2.
Out of the 1,237 delegates needed to win, and 2,472 delegates total trump had a total of 1543, an overwhelming majority.
Out of the 50 states plus D of C there were only 12 that Trump did not win.
That is not just winning - it is overwhelmingly winning, with a record being set in the process.
Now since here we are in 2016 with conspiracy kooks claiming that we now have 50 people killed by the Clintons, allow us to touch on conspiracy, being germane to the topic.
Trump is a birther., and still claims it: http://www.politico.com/story/...
Trump has "suggested" that Hillary had Vincent Foster killed. https://www.theguardian.com/us...
Obama is a muslim
Rafael Cruz was involved in the JFK assassination,
He watched as Muslims celebrated in New Jesey when 9-11 happened.
He has literally dozens of conspiracy theories, and I "heard people talking" is no excuse. Its his way of saying "Not sayin', just sayin'. Sayin' is sayin', and if you can't say, don't say. He's sayin'
Donald Trump won the primaries overwhelmingly, setting a record in the process, and his campaign appearances have people cheering wildly for him in rapt attention. We can both watch them. Yet he does not represent the thoughts and minds of the party that nominated him to this position?
Well now, that is an interesting position. I'm really enjoyin' the dance here.
Hater's got to hate and you have been drinking the Kool-Aid of hate son.
You gotta provide more than just a declaration. Explain how I hate. Show what I have written is indicative of my koolaid drinking.
I am not a member of the political party that has nominated a birther, a person who would disrespect a Gold star mother, and a person who just suggested the old second amendment solution to his opponent, and today called the present occupant and the Democrat's candidate's the founder of ISIS. That sounds like codified, accepted, and voted upon by his political party, and party blessed prepresentative, and one who shares - or more importantly - represents their core values
Unless of course, you find that me pointing out all of the above is hatred. Pointing it out isn't hatred, not pointing it out might just be more sharing, or at leaast keeping one's mouth sut until they come for him. This is your party bobbied, not mine. There are plenty enough kooks on the other side. It's not quite so officially endorsed however, and I ain't one of them either. Care to dance?
Yes, I know, let's get the jokes out of the way first.
Now, seriously, EHF is going to be seriously attenuated by windows and walls, being pure line of sight communication. I suppose the assumption is that people would use wifi for anything indoors? What if your windows don't face a local tower? Multiplicity of towers to avoid that situation? Increased infrastructure costs associated with this?
This doesn't sound likely in the near term.
Marketing forces have yet to defeat the laws of physics. Between the frquencies that would have to be used, and playing with Shannon's limit - which can be violated up to infinite data transmission with an infinite amount of power, 5G speed will almost certainly be relegated to the laboratory.
Radio frequencies do not act all the same. Some, like HF, can give worldwide transmissions, some times at power levels that make your cell phone look hugely overpowered, and frequency dependent on time of day and the sunspot cycle. At other times be completely dead becaus of solar activity. Low VHF is a crapshoot, often dead, sometimes opening up. None of that is useable for data. At VHF, it is starting to get interesting, but an effect know as tropospheric ducting will sometimes cause signals from far away to come in and interfere with the ones you want.
Now the VHF and UHF and above frequencies have adesireable effect. They usually are line of sight only, and they become even shorter in transmission/reception distance as they go up in frequency. The 2.4 GHz frequencies used for wireless routers are actually well suited for Wi-Fi. They attenuate quickly enough to allow for other people nearby to have their own wi-fi devices.
But eventually we get to the point that the RF is absorbed by things like water, leaves, bodies. And if the 5G is going to be at 24 GHZ, well good luck. As noted, you'll need to be darn close to the transmitter, you'll need to have a good bit of power on both ends. So it's fiber right up to a few inches away.
5G is almost as much hypefail as Broadband over Power Lines, which had so many failure points it was an exercise in suck.
So a quick trip to Wikipedia.... and multiple gunshot suicide is actually a thing. And not just "guy rigged up two guns", but actual "dude took 3 shots in the chest to kill himself" multiple gunshot suicide.
For certain. Too many people seem to have the Television concept of murder or suicide. one shot, and immediate death. And of course, if you do it Bud Dwyer style, it probably will be immediate. But lots of peopleshoot themselves, and don't die until they bleed to. Which takes a little while plenty of time to nil yourself again.
But the biggest question of all for the kooks is how thise people can be so clever to kill so many people yet use such whacked and suspicious methods that just so happen to make them look very, very suspicious but otherwise have managed to kill 50 people by now. And not one of their paid assassins they use to dispatch anyone that agrees with them has ever came forth. Such a combination of skill, dumbfuckery and incredible conspiratorial luck has never been seen before.
Anyhow, the kooks should get back to proving the moon landings never happened, or thatSomething is wrong with the Earth's core. Booms, sounds, massive bird deaths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Thank gawd that a brave whistleblower stood up to the corrupt Government to let us know? Wake up America, the end is nigh!
For more of the truth being hidden from us https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Awww, what the heck here is the conspiracy theory to end all conspiracies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
There's a list, it's over 50 people.
Being a Conservative Republican myself since Regan.. This list is hog wash born in the darkest corner of Arkansas. The Clinton's are many nasty things, but they are NOT stupid enough to be out ordering hits on their detractors. I don't put it past some of their supporters, but Bill and Hill wouldn't do something as stupid as you suggest.
So can we PLEASE STOP with this tripe?
No, they can't Stop. Because batshit crazy is the New normal for your party. I've always been registered independent, but voted pretty solid Republican until the kooks took over the party. This has been drilled into them by their echo chamber and visceral hatred until the final stage has been reached. A creation that has leapfrogged the extreme right to enable the conspiracy theories to become mainstream Republican dogma.
I truly fear for the future of a party that used to be able to depend on my vote, but is now as likely to get it as me voting for Putin for President of the US.
Iran-Contra. That stuff's like, on drugs man. And perpetrated by the most powerful man in the world.
Hillary? That's the amazing thing about the Clintons. They can spread their corruption long before they were even in power. Almost like one presidential candidate's blaming the current occupant for the death of that muslim soldier in Iraq, when he wasn't even in office.
Everything's a crazy conspiracy theory until it comes out decades later in declassified documents that it was true.
Wow! a +5 insightful for a person who just said every single conspiracy theory is 100 percent true.
The kooks have taken over slashdot!
Now quickly, an intruder, Mod me down to -1 Troll.
That would be the same whatreallyhappened.com that thinks all of modern cosmology is a big conspiracy. Yeah.
Do not oppose the kooks of Slashdot. They will demand your longform birth certificate and proof that you aren't the person behind the chemtrails or HAARP.
Just goes to show that when computers make an error it gets multiplied millions of times over.
We used to call that "accurate to 10 insignificant digits."