Explain how minimum wage workers are paid too much, and how it is good policy for your's and my tax dollars to subsidize them.
I think I know this one.
They're paid too much because he isn't one.
Bam!
Although I suspect he wishes they'd FOAD as well.
By the way, my two highest paid hedge fund managers example - having their jobs performed by computer automation would eliminate the equivalent of 300,000 minimum wage jobs. I expect adding the next, say ten highest paid to automation would eliminate the equivalent of all of the minimum wage jobs in America.
And for as much as our libertarian friends love to hate on the lowest on the ladder folks, I've yet to get a peep out of them on the possibility of eliminating the equivalent of the entire subclass.
Ah, but he didn't buy a lawmower robot. He bought a copkiller robot. Advertised as a copkiller robot. Whether or not the company made it out to be legal, clearly he knew what he was doing.
And he almost got away with it. It wasn't Verizon, AT&T, or Sprint that caught on to the problem. Instead, MetroPCS eventually noticed that reception was flatlining along the same point of I-4 twice each day.
Exactly. As paranoid as some slashdotters are, I'm surprised they use telephones at all. The underlying bedrock principle of the cellular system is tracking, as you zip along, the towers hand you off to other towers, and they keep logs. So you have the basis of a low resolution tracking system. After the pattern is revealed - gotchya!
When officers finally pulled him over, it didn't take long to confirm their suspicions. As they approached Humphreys' car, officers immediately noticed that their radios lost all contact with dispatch. The FCC is using the unfortunate case to remind consumers that using a jammer is "illegal under any circumstances" and can also result in jail time — though it seems Humphreys only needs to worry about the damage to his bank account.
Despite some of the protests, they are cutting the guy some major slack. Keeping this as an F.C.C. action is doing just that. The good Mr Humphrey is fortunate that they did not connect any of his jamming to a loss of life or injury situation. Then his life would have taken an unfortunate turn.
If you buy something which, according to the company website, is "FCC approved", you shouldn't be on the hook for such a ridiculous amount of money just because you got scammed by that company.
The problem is that a person needs to know a little bit about this stuff. And ignorance of the law has never been much of a defense. And this defense adds stupidity as a kicker.Just because you want to eliminate phone calls from anywhere around you, it doesn't mean that you have the right to do that. Jammers have never been legal in the US, no matter what some Chinese manufacturer tells you.
Clearly the asshat that was doing this wasn't a rocket scientist, apparently being content to interfere with police and emergency as well. Or not knowing. Too bad.
It's just the law. And a good one at that. Jamming is about as simple a thing do do RF wise as is possible. But don't do it. If you are mobile, cell phone tower problems will provide a nice map of your location. And if you are stationary, you make a fine RDF target. As time goes on, the hunting process will become much more efficient.
If I buy a lawnmower robot and it has an unadvertised feature that makes it sneak out at night and kill cops, will I be convicted for that? If it has all the legal labels and no mention of any features other than cutting grass?
Yes. There might be mitigating circumstances, but allowing your property to be insecure opens you to liability. If a person stole your lawnmower to perform the deeds, you are pretty clear. But your silly example aside, I gotta wonder just how many people actually do not know that maliciously interfering with radio communications is illegal. And your example means that some chinese website could sell 50 caliber rounds and say they are harmless to people, so you can go on a legal killing rampage. You are going to say that's ridiculous. And it is. Same with jamming with permission of some manufacturer in some other country.
Completely bizzare. What if you have a cabin in the woods using solar cells to run lights and stuff? Hopefully you aren't responsible for building the power lines to it.
The attraction of solar/wind is moving toward being able to disconnect from the grid completely.
If my tax dollars were not subsidizing McDonald's and WalMart's employees lived, I might be a little more amenable to your position.
It's not a position, it's data. You can actually measure that minimum wage makers are primarily teenagers, and that most people move beyond minimum wage after they've been working fora while.
The mistake you are making is assuming that all the McDonald's workers are making minimum wage. If you are making a dime over minimum wage, you aren't making minimum wage.
And it doesn't follow that making a dime over minimum wage doesn't mean you are no longer qualified for social services.
Ok, I'll state clearly how it could be better.
Don't lock your users out when they make ONE typo!!! I've never seen any other service anywhere, ever, that doesn't allow at the very minimum 3 password attempts.
No point in arguing with them - nothing is ever Microsoft's fault by decree.
Great sob story, bro. There are ways to set up recovery, you weren't really impacted by getting locked out, and you didn't state how it could have been better.
PS: There are lots of "throw away" email services that are just for doing what you want to do.
And there are services that don't have stupid always your fault - never Microsoft's problems.
No. The system is dynamic. It does not use a fixed set of "common passwords", but instead adds passwords that are used in cracking attempts. If a cracker thinks it is common enough to try, then it likely is not a good password to use. Over time, the list will grow, but it is unlikely we will run out of possible passwords. If the passwords are 32 bytes long, and each can hold 100 different values, then that is 10^64 possible passwords, which is roughly ten billion times the number of atoms in the sun.
The really handy part is that Microsoft has your password now.
The real problem is finding ways to pay for universal college education so that all the people who are no longer able to work their way through college can still afford to get the education that they'll require to get them to a point where they can contribute usefully to society in a post-menial-labor job market.
Ah - the Lake Woebegone effect, where all the children are above average.
Problem is that a fair number already have a degree, and quite a few are simply not college material. People who are at the bottom tend to stay at the bottom, and the jobs they might be capable of doing will also be gone. Perhaps they might be useable as compost?
And when you pay below that cost, you're effectively asking for a handout, for the employee and their friends or family (or, in some cases, the government) to subsidize your business.
That aside, how many of those jobs do you think there'll be?
Exactly. Somewhere along the line, we forgot that People actually have to buy stuff.
And in an amazing event, we got a lot of Americans to believe that we need to be poorer in order to be wealthy.
These Chinese building stuff - do they live in large expernsive houses and drive expensive cars and eat at nice restraunts and by new smartphones and tablets every year? No? Why not?
The Indians, the same question applies.
Because since they will have the jobs, American companies better hope they make up for the lost sales once provided by Americans who are now financially invisible.
This is not a question of minimum wage, a question of liberal or conservative. It's an economic policy that is pure lunacy, that believes it can survive by making the purchasing half of the most basic economic equation ever made impossible for as many people as possible.
McDonalds et. al. are about a predictable customer experience - God knows not an excellent one, just predictable. Robots should deliver that much better than high school kids.
We keep hearing this. There are no High schol kids in any of the 4 McD's in my town. I said 3 in an earlier post os I'm correcting myself. There are very few college students. It's mostly people who have fallen to the bottom of the barrel, and will be losing even that job soon.
And robots cannot spit in your food and are a lot easier to disinfect. Expect food safety to improve by another leap and bound when robots replace humans in food preparation.
I wonder how much fun it will be to give a bag of grief to a robot. I have a couple friends who I like, but are a pain in the ass to go to restaurants with because they are nasty to the help. Yelling at the robot making the fries won't be anywhere near as much fun.
And I bet they have eaten some spit in their foods. Because they either make themselves a pain in the ass enough, or the waitress lets the cook know who's being a jerk. The places I frequent do give me better service, because I tip well, and am pleasant to deal with - some folks in here might find that hard to believe, but it's true.
I'm not saying that it will help the fry-baggers, just that for the economy overall the losses aren't necessarily huge. The fry-baggers will probably have to do something else. Hopefully, without having to move.
Where re the lowest people on the ladder going to move? To other towns where there are no jobs they can do, having been replaced by robots?
I've been around a few years, and met and worked with a lot of people. There are people who are simply not cut out for other than menial work. That isn't being smug, it's just reality. We can go all rhapsodic about retraining people to (fill in the blank) but unless something is found for these folk to make a living, we are creating a permanent underclass of vritually useless people Perhaps large parts of America will look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
THere ar emany more, just go to youtub and seach tent city or shantytown. They will grow.
But you can't get good discussion. most of the time you get people who think that jobs can be eliminated permanently with no repercussion,. We have done some amazing things with automation, but coupled with wanting to make people poor and dehumanization of the poor, we aren't having discussions on how ot manage this.
WIll it be eugenics? Rapid depopulation in the shantytowns, perhaps some manner of gaseous event? If we get a hugne number of Americans permanently unemployed, a revolt is likely Desperate people do crazy shit.
How will the corporations survive as they have less and less customers? As the automation works it's way up the pay scale - and it will - there will be more unemployed for the shantytowns. And less customers for the corporations.
Or will if be a new day, when People can do more or less as they will, work as they wish, or even be idle if they wish.
It's easy to throw out names, easy to not see past one's nose. This might be great, or it might turn America into a third world country.
Its disingenuous to tie it to the current debate over moving the minimum wage back up to a living wage.
It is disingenuous to claim that the minimum wage ever was, or was intended to be, a "living wage". It is supposed to be an entry-level introduction to employment wage. Saying "moving... back up to" when it never has been is silly at best.
And kinda disingenuous to deny that there are people trying to live on the wages. McDonald's is not lying when they show actual adults on their recruiting posters. You figure they are only employing teenagers? We have three in our area, and not a teenager in any.
And the better jobs? I dunno? do you? Gonna move across the country for a 10 dollar an hour job?
Once a method is optimized for automation, there is no practical hourly wage which can compete with it.
And no practical way of making more profit the next quarter by getting rid of more people.
I gotta say, the businesses going into this rubbing their hands like Mr Burns on the Simpson's do not seem to realize that they are going to make a real problem for themselves.
The bogeyman of massive unemployment always gets trotted out whenever anyone mentions raising the minimum wage.
Most people don't make minimum wage. If you're working to improve your skill, and you've been in the market more than two or three years, you'll easily be making more than minimum wage.
Sometimes - sometimes you'll still be getting social services that you qualify for. If my tax dollars were not subsidizing McDonald's and WalMart's employees lived, I might be a little more amenable to your position.
Among the people who do make minimum wage, mainly teenagers, there is ridiculously high unemployment. Look it up.
Interesting, Let's take say the locals my wife knows who are rocking to minimum, and in the restaurant trade. One is a licensed pharmacist, one an aerospce engineer - I have no idea why they are not working in their field - and several college degreed people as well. Most of the people in the fast food joint I go to for beakfast on occasion are adults, and several are college educated. The problem is that the McDonald's jobs or Convenience store jobs are fast becoming the career path jobs for a lot of people. In fact, my anomalous town McDonalds have absolutely no teenagers on staff.
Did people just start making more money at their existing jobs, without an increase in cost of living?
The answer is yes. In every single case (22 times) where the federal minimum wage was raised by law, economic growth and standards of living went up faster than inflation. Every single time.
People making more money, and spending more money - whoda thunk?
Which always brings me to my strange idea of economics. I think that we should have a concept of making people as wealthy as possible, not the present day death march of making as many people as possible as poor as possible.
And if people think that making people poor makes us all wealthy, how have wages been going since say the mid 70's? Stagnant at best And producing more for that stagnation.
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no they don't. passwords are checked on entry for strength, they are only stored as one0way salted hashes.
;^) M'kay
Explain how minimum wage workers are paid too much, and how it is good policy for your's and my tax dollars to subsidize them.
I think I know this one.
They're paid too much because he isn't one.
Bam!
Although I suspect he wishes they'd FOAD as well.
By the way, my two highest paid hedge fund managers example - having their jobs performed by computer automation would eliminate the equivalent of 300,000 minimum wage jobs. I expect adding the next, say ten highest paid to automation would eliminate the equivalent of all of the minimum wage jobs in America.
And for as much as our libertarian friends love to hate on the lowest on the ladder folks, I've yet to get a peep out of them on the possibility of eliminating the equivalent of the entire subclass.
Ah, but he didn't buy a lawmower robot. He bought a copkiller robot. Advertised as a copkiller robot. Whether or not the company made it out to be legal, clearly he knew what he was doing.
And he almost got away with it. It wasn't Verizon, AT&T, or Sprint that caught on to the problem. Instead, MetroPCS eventually noticed that reception was flatlining along the same point of I-4 twice each day.
Exactly. As paranoid as some slashdotters are, I'm surprised they use telephones at all. The underlying bedrock principle of the cellular system is tracking, as you zip along, the towers hand you off to other towers, and they keep logs. So you have the basis of a low resolution tracking system. After the pattern is revealed - gotchya!
When officers finally pulled him over, it didn't take long to confirm their suspicions. As they approached Humphreys' car, officers immediately noticed that their radios lost all contact with dispatch. The FCC is using the unfortunate case to remind consumers that using a jammer is "illegal under any circumstances" and can also result in jail time — though it seems Humphreys only needs to worry about the damage to his bank account.
Despite some of the protests, they are cutting the guy some major slack. Keeping this as an F.C.C. action is doing just that. The good Mr Humphrey is fortunate that they did not connect any of his jamming to a loss of life or injury situation. Then his life would have taken an unfortunate turn.
If you buy something which, according to the company website, is "FCC approved", you shouldn't be on the hook for such a ridiculous amount of money just because you got scammed by that company.
The problem is that a person needs to know a little bit about this stuff. And ignorance of the law has never been much of a defense. And this defense adds stupidity as a kicker.Just because you want to eliminate phone calls from anywhere around you, it doesn't mean that you have the right to do that. Jammers have never been legal in the US, no matter what some Chinese manufacturer tells you.
Clearly the asshat that was doing this wasn't a rocket scientist, apparently being content to interfere with police and emergency as well. Or not knowing. Too bad.
It's just the law. And a good one at that. Jamming is about as simple a thing do do RF wise as is possible. But don't do it. If you are mobile, cell phone tower problems will provide a nice map of your location. And if you are stationary, you make a fine RDF target. As time goes on, the hunting process will become much more efficient.
If I buy a lawnmower robot and it has an unadvertised feature that makes it sneak out at night and kill cops, will I be convicted for that? If it has all the legal labels and no mention of any features other than cutting grass?
Yes. There might be mitigating circumstances, but allowing your property to be insecure opens you to liability. If a person stole your lawnmower to perform the deeds, you are pretty clear. But your silly example aside, I gotta wonder just how many people actually do not know that maliciously interfering with radio communications is illegal. And your example means that some chinese website could sell 50 caliber rounds and say they are harmless to people, so you can go on a legal killing rampage. You are going to say that's ridiculous. And it is. Same with jamming with permission of some manufacturer in some other country.
The attraction of solar/wind is moving toward being able to disconnect from the grid completely.
If my tax dollars were not subsidizing McDonald's and WalMart's employees lived, I might be a little more amenable to your position.
It's not a position, it's data. You can actually measure that minimum wage makers are primarily teenagers, and that most people move beyond minimum wage after they've been working fora while.
The mistake you are making is assuming that all the McDonald's workers are making minimum wage. If you are making a dime over minimum wage, you aren't making minimum wage.
And it doesn't follow that making a dime over minimum wage doesn't mean you are no longer qualified for social services.
Ok, I'll state clearly how it could be better. Don't lock your users out when they make ONE typo!!! I've never seen any other service anywhere, ever, that doesn't allow at the very minimum 3 password attempts.
No point in arguing with them - nothing is ever Microsoft's fault by decree.
Great sob story, bro. There are ways to set up recovery, you weren't really impacted by getting locked out, and you didn't state how it could have been better.
PS: There are lots of "throw away" email services that are just for doing what you want to do.
And there are services that don't have stupid always your fault - never Microsoft's problems.
they don't have my phone number on file in the first place.
this is your failure, not theirs
Fortunately, he can move to systems where he doesn't do that stupid shit.
THat's always the problem with Microsoft, a lot of people have a lot of problems, but it's never never Microsoft's fault. Meh.
No. The system is dynamic. It does not use a fixed set of "common passwords", but instead adds passwords that are used in cracking attempts. If a cracker thinks it is common enough to try, then it likely is not a good password to use. Over time, the list will grow, but it is unlikely we will run out of possible passwords. If the passwords are 32 bytes long, and each can hold 100 different values, then that is 10^64 possible passwords, which is roughly ten billion times the number of atoms in the sun.
The really handy part is that Microsoft has your password now.
If you ban common passwords. Then you end up with a new set of common passwords.
Is there any evidence that the above assertion is true?
Hackers will probably figure out which passwords not to try.
This only affects Microsoft Accounts and Azure AD, not local Windows accounts.
So far.
If you ban common passwords. Then you end up with a new set of common passwords. Going to ban those too?
Tht keylogger in Windows 10 is going to be a big help. What a great company.
The real problem is finding ways to pay for universal college education so that all the people who are no longer able to work their way through college can still afford to get the education that they'll require to get them to a point where they can contribute usefully to society in a post-menial-labor job market.
Ah - the Lake Woebegone effect, where all the children are above average.
Problem is that a fair number already have a degree, and quite a few are simply not college material. People who are at the bottom tend to stay at the bottom, and the jobs they might be capable of doing will also be gone. Perhaps they might be useable as compost?
And when you pay below that cost, you're effectively asking for a handout, for the employee and their friends or family (or, in some cases, the government) to subsidize your business.
Already there: McDonald's http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/2... Walmart http://www.californiaprogressr... and more Walmart http://articles.latimes.com/20...
In China.
In India.
That aside, how many of those jobs do you think there'll be?
Exactly. Somewhere along the line, we forgot that People actually have to buy stuff.
And in an amazing event, we got a lot of Americans to believe that we need to be poorer in order to be wealthy.
These Chinese building stuff - do they live in large expernsive houses and drive expensive cars and eat at nice restraunts and by new smartphones and tablets every year? No? Why not?
The Indians, the same question applies.
Because since they will have the jobs, American companies better hope they make up for the lost sales once provided by Americans who are now financially invisible.
This is not a question of minimum wage, a question of liberal or conservative. It's an economic policy that is pure lunacy, that believes it can survive by making the purchasing half of the most basic economic equation ever made impossible for as many people as possible.
McDonalds et. al. are about a predictable customer experience - God knows not an excellent one, just predictable. Robots should deliver that much better than high school kids.
We keep hearing this. There are no High schol kids in any of the 4 McD's in my town. I said 3 in an earlier post os I'm correcting myself. There are very few college students. It's mostly people who have fallen to the bottom of the barrel, and will be losing even that job soon.
And robots cannot spit in your food and are a lot easier to disinfect. Expect food safety to improve by another leap and bound when robots replace humans in food preparation.
I wonder how much fun it will be to give a bag of grief to a robot. I have a couple friends who I like, but are a pain in the ass to go to restaurants with because they are nasty to the help. Yelling at the robot making the fries won't be anywhere near as much fun.
And I bet they have eaten some spit in their foods. Because they either make themselves a pain in the ass enough, or the waitress lets the cook know who's being a jerk. The places I frequent do give me better service, because I tip well, and am pleasant to deal with - some folks in here might find that hard to believe, but it's true.
I'm not saying that it will help the fry-baggers, just that for the economy overall the losses aren't necessarily huge. The fry-baggers will probably have to do something else. Hopefully, without having to move.
Where re the lowest people on the ladder going to move? To other towns where there are no jobs they can do, having been replaced by robots?
I've been around a few years, and met and worked with a lot of people. There are people who are simply not cut out for other than menial work. That isn't being smug, it's just reality. We can go all rhapsodic about retraining people to (fill in the blank) but unless something is found for these folk to make a living, we are creating a permanent underclass of vritually useless people Perhaps large parts of America will look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Then again, it has already started: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
THere ar emany more, just go to youtub and seach tent city or shantytown. They will grow.
But you can't get good discussion. most of the time you get people who think that jobs can be eliminated permanently with no repercussion,. We have done some amazing things with automation, but coupled with wanting to make people poor and dehumanization of the poor, we aren't having discussions on how ot manage this.
WIll it be eugenics? Rapid depopulation in the shantytowns, perhaps some manner of gaseous event? If we get a hugne number of Americans permanently unemployed, a revolt is likely Desperate people do crazy shit.
How will the corporations survive as they have less and less customers? As the automation works it's way up the pay scale - and it will - there will be more unemployed for the shantytowns. And less customers for the corporations. Or will if be a new day, when People can do more or less as they will, work as they wish, or even be idle if they wish.
It's easy to throw out names, easy to not see past one's nose. This might be great, or it might turn America into a third world country.
If there's equivalent employment behind the robot arms, they will cost too much to be economically viable.
That's the thing, some people will move on to better paying careers, many will just be out of work.
And we'll all reap the reward as the fast food places lower their prices - right?
This sounds like the time I tried to order something at Monolith Burger.
Here we go - as once featured on the Dr Demento show... Fast food Drive thru by Stevens and Grdnic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Its disingenuous to tie it to the current debate over moving the minimum wage back up to a living wage.
It is disingenuous to claim that the minimum wage ever was, or was intended to be, a "living wage". It is supposed to be an entry-level introduction to employment wage. Saying "moving ... back up to" when it never has been is silly at best.
And kinda disingenuous to deny that there are people trying to live on the wages. McDonald's is not lying when they show actual adults on their recruiting posters. You figure they are only employing teenagers? We have three in our area, and not a teenager in any.
And the better jobs? I dunno? do you? Gonna move across the country for a 10 dollar an hour job?
Once a method is optimized for automation, there is no practical hourly wage which can compete with it.
And no practical way of making more profit the next quarter by getting rid of more people.
I gotta say, the businesses going into this rubbing their hands like Mr Burns on the Simpson's do not seem to realize that they are going to make a real problem for themselves.
The bogeyman of massive unemployment always gets trotted out whenever anyone mentions raising the minimum wage.
Most people don't make minimum wage. If you're working to improve your skill, and you've been in the market more than two or three years, you'll easily be making more than minimum wage.
Sometimes - sometimes you'll still be getting social services that you qualify for. If my tax dollars were not subsidizing McDonald's and WalMart's employees lived, I might be a little more amenable to your position.
Among the people who do make minimum wage, mainly teenagers, there is ridiculously high unemployment. Look it up.
Interesting, Let's take say the locals my wife knows who are rocking to minimum, and in the restaurant trade. One is a licensed pharmacist, one an aerospce engineer - I have no idea why they are not working in their field - and several college degreed people as well. Most of the people in the fast food joint I go to for beakfast on occasion are adults, and several are college educated. The problem is that the McDonald's jobs or Convenience store jobs are fast becoming the career path jobs for a lot of people. In fact, my anomalous town McDonalds have absolutely no teenagers on staff.
The answer is yes. In every single case (22 times) where the federal minimum wage was raised by law, economic growth and standards of living went up faster than inflation. Every single time.
People making more money, and spending more money - whoda thunk?
Which always brings me to my strange idea of economics. I think that we should have a concept of making people as wealthy as possible, not the present day death march of making as many people as possible as poor as possible.
And if people think that making people poor makes us all wealthy, how have wages been going since say the mid 70's? Stagnant at best And producing more for that stagnation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...