Creating a tincture by mixing the active part of a plant with alcohol can be a legitimate medicine. I'm not against using naturally occurring substances as medicine. We've seen that cannabis has medical effect for glaucoma and others, psilocybin shows promise for treating PTSD, Saint John's Wort has been shown in clinical trials to be a natural antidepressant, and there are certainly others that don't spring to mind.
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Many modern drugs are based on so called natural medicine. they are just purified and concentrated.
What thousands of kids are you referring to? The ones who are getting thrice the amount of inoculations in their first days as you did as a child? There is substance to that part of the argument as well as the one for children who have a family history of autoimmune disorders. I have one friend who was paralyzed from a flu shot. Her mother and aunts had fibromyalgia.
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Do you8 for a moment think anyone pays attention to you festering azssholes any more? Aside from the Lulz of course.
If you visit a homeopath for a non life-threatening condition and he listens to you and gives you something that cannot harm you and you get a sense of optimism and a sense of control that you are doing something to get well, it only helps your body do what it is supposed to do -- heal itself. Does it not? It doesn't matter that homeopathy is outside of science when health to a large part is outside of science.
All negations of homeopathy are based on chemistry but you are not a sack of chemical reactions gone wrong.
As Stephen Colbert might note, this is truthiness writ large.
I will make one exception - arnica montana That is actually because it isn't really homeopathic.
For whatever reason, homeopathic medicine has incorrectly become partially synonymous with herbal medicine and natural home remedies. It's an incorrect usage of the term "homeopathic", as some herbs and home remedies have demonstrable effectiveness (mint tea for a sore throat, ice pack for a bruise - those actually work!). True homeopathic medicine, however, is 100% placebo.
IANAMD, but it sounds to me like you're getting an anesthetic effect from the evaporating alcohol (plus some aromatherapy?)
No, the effect of an alcohol only rub is definitely different. That's a cold feeling. This is numb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... This stuff isn't homeopathic because it isn't their goofy diluted makes powerful argument. It's a lot of the flowers infused in the alcohol. Regardless, I used the stuff daily while recovering from a broken ankle and torn ligaments. Smell? I guess if I was observing a placebo effect, I could get rid of the pain just by smelling fresh cut daisies. It is the same smell.
Homeopathy is pretty obviously bullshit, an application of the placebo effect.
I will make one exception - arnica montana That is actually because it isn't really homeopathic.
It is an infusion of the flowers of the arnica Montana daisy in vodka or isopropyl alcohol, and used as a spray to eliminate pain. just keep it out of cuts.
And it works, performing a pretty good numbing effect, and smells pretty good - like fresly mown hay.
Living with daily pain, and being allergic to opioids, I need something to ease my poor abused joints.
Not only that, but despite the touted 30.000 hour life span of LED lights, I have already had to replace several in my house, while the old-fasioned, simple tungsten bulbs keep going, and going, and going.
It's madness.
Get the Pitchforks Ma! One bad LED is too many and is insufferable. God wants us to use incandescents becaus not one has ever failed. Since Incandescents last forever, we'll save infinite money.
If LEDs are so wonderful, why not let the people decide what bulbs to buy?
If you aren't being a Poe, the biggest reason that CFL's and then LEDs have been brough into being is that they use less electricity, so you don't have to build that nice new nuc plant in your backyard.
That bullshit made me more irate than anything out of the SJW crowd. I first heard about it when I watched Neil Degrasse Tyson's conversation with Katy Perry and she commented that she didn't know that cultural appropriation was a thing. She was very sad about it. Unfortunately Dr. Tyson didn't know enough to tell her it's NOT.
To me it is beyond belief that people would think that, but make no mistake - it is truly mental illness. Most people find it charming that other people are interested in their culture. to wit:
A mother threw a party for her little girl, and the little girl dressed as a Geisha. Mom posted a picture of it. A cultural appropriation kook took her to task for her "racism". Finally a Japanese citizen verbally curb stomped "ginzers" for being the real racist, explaining that Japanese actually like other people showing an interest in their culture, and that the Japanese regularly adopt aspects of other cultures as a matter of course.
Human culture is derived from human culture, and nobody fucking owns it.
Exactly. And culture is a living sort of thing. If I want to make and eat pirogues, I can do it without offending the ginzers of the world because I have that in my so called heritage. But I don't have a bit of moor in me, so in ginzer's world I guess I can't enjoy it. I wonder how ginzers feels about Tex-Mex food? I can dress like a traditiaonal Ukranian, but not wear a serape? so many rules in the brave new world.
My theory is the cultural appropriation police have arisen in response to a decline in organized religion. The busybodies who always want to tell everyone else what to do are still with us. They used to be part of some god-bothering cult. Now they're part of a people-bothering cult. Same shit, different day.
That's a pretty good hypothesis. Those Cultural Appropriation police can kiss my fuzzy yellow butt.
Don't you think that this term 'virtue signalling' is just code for 'you are saying things I don't agree with and I want you to stop saying them'? A way of attempting to shame someone into silence so someone else's Echo Chamber can continue without opposition?
That's a big part of it. It also signals to the group a person is trying to impress. This has been a source of annoyance to women, where some guy proclaims to be a male feminist, yet is anything but. In fact, many of these guys are real abusers and harassers, they just use the virtue signaling as a way to get close enough to women to do their dirty work. There was a video on Youtube that named a lot of them.
But yeah, its an issue on both left and right, and in the middle ground as well.
I do know one thing - the concept that fat people dying early being a big burdun on the healthcare system is bogus. The big drain of healthcare is the elderly people in nursing homes. My mother in law, in the last two years of her life, used nearly 750 thousand dollars in hospital bills, and gawd knows how much in meds.
A fat smoker that drops dead of a massive heart attack at say 60, doesn't cost anywhere near as much.
Especially when one has not learned to ignore the sanctimonious assholes that try to shame them. But some folks simply need a target to hate. Smokers, Drinkers, Chocolate people, anyone not Scotch Irish, you know the drill. that fat person who is going to die? Did you know slender people live forever?
Live as long as you can - like my father said - "Who wants to be the healthiest person in the graveyard?"
All those mindless demented people shitting in depends and drooling into their neck napkins and having run out of clues at the nursing home, maybe getting beat up by the orderly who is pissed off that she or he is only getting minimum wage - hey, they are all nice and slim. Now thats a quality life, you would have to agree.
Also, please call it cannabis instead of "marijuana," which has racist origins.
Oh fuck off with this tripe.
Now now, the kooks have to make their virtue signaling where they can ya know.
Calling Marijuana marijuana racism is almost as much fun to listen to as the cultural appropriation assholes - Guessing from your post you are British, no doubt you know about overly white chef Jamie Oliver's apparent cultural appropriation crime with his "Punchy Jerk Rice" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/fo...
Quickly citizens, get rid of all of the spices in your cupboards, the cultural appropriation police are coming!
maybe so, but your quality of life will suffer much earlier then somebody who lives healthy.
you won't be able to do some things anymore when you're 40, while the 'healthy' person probably still can.
will you have done all the items on your bucket list when you're 50 or 60?
Let me tell you about my mother in law. Non smoker, non drinker. Plenty of exercise.
This woman was the very archetype of the modern healthy adult livin the dream well into old age.
She caught dementia at 68, and it took her 10 years to die. The thing with dementia is that it doesn't just affect your mind. Her bones kind ot rotted, her bodily functions slowed down gradually, and she wasn't a happy demented person, but one of the ones who cry constantly.
I would take death right now to avoid that.
If you really want to live to an ancient age, by all means do. But I'll take quality over longevity every time. The only people that make out in the life extension game are the ones running nursing homes.
You can talk all you like about it not being money to influence a campaign, but there are laws, and the law doesn't agree with you. And listening to the tape between Trump and Cohen, it is pretty clear they paid off Danials to keep her mouth shut, and Cohen even attempted to hide it by paying it himself, as Trump wanted to pay cash.
Absolutes in mayhem?
Come now.
This is slashdot.org, and logic is of the order here.
I don't know much about campaign finance laws because I find them to be against freedom and liberty.
That being said, are there limits to how much a candidate can contribute to his own campaign?...because, it ain't Cohen that paid her.
Well, it sorta is that Cohen paid her. The leaked conversation between Trump and Cohen, when Trump suggested paying her in cash, Cohen told him no, that he would take care of it. Cohen was smart enough to know he needed to hide that money. So if caught, Cohen could (and did) just say that he paid the bribe. Cohen also knew that following the money, the cash would need to come from somewhere, so could be easily traced.
Problem was, it was pretty obvious that they were attempting to silence people to keep them from negatively affecting the election prospects of Trump. Let us not forget that the good Mister Pecker has been cooperating with his role in shutting people up.
Now that the Republican party is creating a space military force, Pence needs to get cracking on sending people to the Moon or Mars.
Because when the space force starts destroying other stuff in space, it's going to be kinda difficult to get through. Some pretty simple BDR's with some pretty simple shrapnel boomers - think space grenades - sent up near geosynchronous orbits will make GPS a thing of the past, and lower orbit space shrapnel is the gift that keeps on giving. Every orbiting device destroyed makes a positive feedback loop to knock off more devices. Imagine a space shuttle sized orbiter turned into debris. Not a good neighborhood to try to get through. A fleck of pain nearly broke a window on a space shuttle. https://www.cnet.com/pictures/...
Imagine what a bolt would do. Now imagine the entire LEO with tons of debris
Those that have security concerns are willing to take performance penalties, those that want performance usually don't worry too much about the security issues since the performance hunters are probably just running a single application anyway.
What might be interesting is to be able to boot the computer in different modes - performance or security mode. The Turbo button revival!
I love the idea! Although it would probably show the 5-10% slowdown is a real myth. I have a laptop that overall seems to have slowed down by about half.
Now that's not "benchmarked", but apparent performance.
It is extremely simple to find out if a person is a citizen or not. They take your name to the local courthouse, where birth and naturalization records are housed.
Neither my birth nor naturalization records are housed at the local courthouse. I must be an illegal alien, huh?
From the web page: "You can register to vote through the Pennsylvania Department of State’s Online Application. Before you begin, be sure to have your Pennsylvania driver’s license or PennDOT ID card handy. If you don’t have one, there are other options. Once you submit your online application, it will be forwarded to the appropriate county voter registration office for processing.
Note that not all records are stored at the courthouse, but they are the ones who get the records from the PDOH division of vital records. Deal with it.
It's pretty simple - you have to start with a valid ID. And yes, a driver's license is official ID. Deal with it.
After you register to vote, using your legal ID, you are not immediately registered to vote. The voter registration office verifies that you are eligible. Deal with it.
You don't simply walk into a polling place and flash your driver's license, you have to be registered. But if your name is there as a registered voter, and you provide ID, you can vote. Deal with it.
Identity does not equal citizenship, how will we assemble the list of citizens eligible to vote without, at some point, checking their citizenship?
When they register to vote. It is extremely simple to find out if a person is a citizen or not. They take your name to the local courthouse, where birth and naturalization records are housed. And the disqualifying factors are also simple to find out. Identity as a driver does not mean the person is a citizen. But it very clearly shows that a person exists, and from there, the process is very simple to find out and put you on the list of registered voters - or not.
You are fucking right everyone should have a federal ID to vote.
You're right, Mr. Colorful Language, it makes no sense to require the same identification to vote as is required to enter a federal building or cash a check when someone wants to vote - it's not nearly important as either of those two activities.
Sometimes you have to use colorful language.You consider the audience And sometimes you have to note that when people whine about supposed foreigners and unqualified people voting, and you propose a system that will work, they go nuts on you. I piss off more people who whine about voter fraud this way.
I propose a federal ID system, and you get booboo feelings because I used the word fucking, and others have a fit because of driver's license. Fear not, I fully understand exactly why.
as soon as a person comes up with a workable plan to ID voters,
And as soon as someone points out why your plan is not workable (because a DL is NOT a Voter's ID; it says nothing about citizenship or holding the right to vote)
Do you not understand that your citizenship and right to vote is determined long before you show up at the polling place?
When you are at the polling place preparing to vote, they verify that you are you, and that you are in their database and/or book of registered voters. My license is legal ID. That tells the poll workers that I am who I am. My name and address is in their book, proclaiming that I am a registered voter. They give me my ballot, and I go vote.
Now if my name was not in their database, and I showed up and used my drivers license for ID, I would get turned away. If I had a my voter ID, but didn't show up in their database, that would generate a flurry of activity and phone calls. That would likely have a provisional ballot filled out, but not counted unless the discrepancy was solved.
Dunno why you are wrapped around the axle about a system that is already in use and has a proven track record. It's simple. Register before the first election you plan to vote in, and they check your eligibility, then you get a Voter registration card. You go in the database - or the book for the smaller counties. The registration information is sent to the workers at the polling place that you are assigned to. They then match it all up on voting days. Do you think that random people just show up at random places and vote?
tl;dr version. Drivers license are legal ID. Voter registration databases or books are proof of legal registration. When the two meet, the citizen votes.
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Creating a tincture by mixing the active part of a plant with alcohol can be a legitimate medicine. I'm not against using naturally occurring substances as medicine. We've seen that cannabis has medical effect for glaucoma and others, psilocybin shows promise for treating PTSD, Saint John's Wort has been shown in clinical trials to be a natural antidepressant, and there are certainly others that don't spring to mind.
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Many modern drugs are based on so called natural medicine. they are just purified and concentrated.
Stop feeding the Russian troll
We shall give them salt and bread, tovarish.
What thousands of kids are you referring to? The ones who are getting thrice the amount of inoculations in their first days as you did as a child? There is substance to that part of the argument as well as the one for children who have a family history of autoimmune disorders. I have one friend who was paralyzed from a flu shot. Her mother and aunts had fibromyalgia.
And the Russian Troll has arrived!
Do you8 for a moment think anyone pays attention to you festering azssholes any more? Aside from the Lulz of course.
Pffft, I'm just going to keep rubbing lidocaine on myself.
Just dont get it on your tallywhacker
If you visit a homeopath for a non life-threatening condition and he listens to you and gives you something that cannot harm you and you get a sense of optimism and a sense of control that you are doing something to get well, it only helps your body do what it is supposed to do -- heal itself. Does it not? It doesn't matter that homeopathy is outside of science when health to a large part is outside of science.
All negations of homeopathy are based on chemistry but you are not a sack of chemical reactions gone wrong.
As Stephen Colbert might note, this is truthiness writ large.
I will make one exception - arnica montana That is actually because it isn't really homeopathic.
For whatever reason, homeopathic medicine has incorrectly become partially synonymous with herbal medicine and natural home remedies. It's an incorrect usage of the term "homeopathic", as some herbs and home remedies have demonstrable effectiveness (mint tea for a sore throat, ice pack for a bruise - those actually work!). True homeopathic medicine, however, is 100% placebo.
I think they want at least one thing to work.
IANAMD, but it sounds to me like you're getting an anesthetic effect from the evaporating alcohol (plus some aromatherapy?)
No, the effect of an alcohol only rub is definitely different. That's a cold feeling. This is numb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... This stuff isn't homeopathic because it isn't their goofy diluted makes powerful argument. It's a lot of the flowers infused in the alcohol. Regardless, I used the stuff daily while recovering from a broken ankle and torn ligaments. Smell? I guess if I was observing a placebo effect, I could get rid of the pain just by smelling fresh cut daisies. It is the same smell.
I will make one exception - arnica montana That is actually because it isn't really homeopathic.
It is an infusion of the flowers of the arnica Montana daisy in vodka or isopropyl alcohol, and used as a spray to eliminate pain. just keep it out of cuts.
And it works, performing a pretty good numbing effect, and smells pretty good - like fresly mown hay.
Living with daily pain, and being allergic to opioids, I need something to ease my poor abused joints.
One time I forgot to take my homeopathic medicine and I overdosed.
You win the internet today!!! Damn that is as perfect a joke as can be.
Not only that, but despite the touted 30.000 hour life span of LED lights, I have already had to replace several in my house, while the old-fasioned, simple tungsten bulbs keep going, and going, and going.
It's madness.
Get the Pitchforks Ma! One bad LED is too many and is insufferable. God wants us to use incandescents becaus not one has ever failed. Since Incandescents last forever, we'll save infinite money.
If LEDs are so wonderful, why not let the people decide what bulbs to buy?
If you aren't being a Poe, the biggest reason that CFL's and then LEDs have been brough into being is that they use less electricity, so you don't have to build that nice new nuc plant in your backyard.
That bullshit made me more irate than anything out of the SJW crowd. I first heard about it when I watched Neil Degrasse Tyson's conversation with Katy Perry and she commented that she didn't know that cultural appropriation was a thing. She was very sad about it. Unfortunately Dr. Tyson didn't know enough to tell her it's NOT.
To me it is beyond belief that people would think that, but make no mistake - it is truly mental illness. Most people find it charming that other people are interested in their culture. to wit:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/...
A mother threw a party for her little girl, and the little girl dressed as a Geisha. Mom posted a picture of it. A cultural appropriation kook took her to task for her "racism". Finally a Japanese citizen verbally curb stomped "ginzers" for being the real racist, explaining that Japanese actually like other people showing an interest in their culture, and that the Japanese regularly adopt aspects of other cultures as a matter of course.
Human culture is derived from human culture, and nobody fucking owns it.
Exactly. And culture is a living sort of thing. If I want to make and eat pirogues, I can do it without offending the ginzers of the world because I have that in my so called heritage. But I don't have a bit of moor in me, so in ginzer's world I guess I can't enjoy it. I wonder how ginzers feels about Tex-Mex food? I can dress like a traditiaonal Ukranian, but not wear a serape? so many rules in the brave new world.
My theory is the cultural appropriation police have arisen in response to a decline in organized religion. The busybodies who always want to tell everyone else what to do are still with us. They used to be part of some god-bothering cult. Now they're part of a people-bothering cult. Same shit, different day.
That's a pretty good hypothesis. Those Cultural Appropriation police can kiss my fuzzy yellow butt.
Don't you think that this term 'virtue signalling' is just code for 'you are saying things I don't agree with and I want you to stop saying them'? A way of attempting to shame someone into silence so someone else's Echo Chamber can continue without opposition?
That's a big part of it. It also signals to the group a person is trying to impress. This has been a source of annoyance to women, where some guy proclaims to be a male feminist, yet is anything but. In fact, many of these guys are real abusers and harassers, they just use the virtue signaling as a way to get close enough to women to do their dirty work. There was a video on Youtube that named a lot of them.
But yeah, its an issue on both left and right, and in the middle ground as well.
I do know one thing - the concept that fat people dying early being a big burdun on the healthcare system is bogus. The big drain of healthcare is the elderly people in nursing homes. My mother in law, in the last two years of her life, used nearly 750 thousand dollars in hospital bills, and gawd knows how much in meds.
A fat smoker that drops dead of a massive heart attack at say 60, doesn't cost anywhere near as much.
Living as a fat person is not a quality life...
Especially when one has not learned to ignore the sanctimonious assholes that try to shame them. But some folks simply need a target to hate. Smokers, Drinkers, Chocolate people, anyone not Scotch Irish, you know the drill. that fat person who is going to die? Did you know slender people live forever?
Live as long as you can - like my father said - "Who wants to be the healthiest person in the graveyard?"
All those mindless demented people shitting in depends and drooling into their neck napkins and having run out of clues at the nursing home, maybe getting beat up by the orderly who is pissed off that she or he is only getting minimum wage - hey, they are all nice and slim. Now thats a quality life, you would have to agree.
Oh fuck off with this tripe.
Now now, the kooks have to make their virtue signaling where they can ya know.
Calling Marijuana marijuana racism is almost as much fun to listen to as the cultural appropriation assholes - Guessing from your post you are British, no doubt you know about overly white chef Jamie Oliver's apparent cultural appropriation crime with his "Punchy Jerk Rice" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/fo...
Quickly citizens, get rid of all of the spices in your cupboards, the cultural appropriation police are coming!
maybe so, but your quality of life will suffer much earlier then somebody who lives healthy. you won't be able to do some things anymore when you're 40, while the 'healthy' person probably still can. will you have done all the items on your bucket list when you're 50 or 60?
Let me tell you about my mother in law. Non smoker, non drinker. Plenty of exercise.
This woman was the very archetype of the modern healthy adult livin the dream well into old age.
She caught dementia at 68, and it took her 10 years to die. The thing with dementia is that it doesn't just affect your mind. Her bones kind ot rotted, her bodily functions slowed down gradually, and she wasn't a happy demented person, but one of the ones who cry constantly.
I would take death right now to avoid that.
If you really want to live to an ancient age, by all means do. But I'll take quality over longevity every time. The only people that make out in the life extension game are the ones running nursing homes.
Weather satellites and communication satellites live at geosynchronous orbits.
GPS satellites orbit much lower, 10k to 17k kilometers.
My bad - I reversed the satellites. Its still easy to take them all out.
You can talk all you like about it not being money to influence a campaign, but there are laws, and the law doesn't agree with you. And listening to the tape between Trump and Cohen, it is pretty clear they paid off Danials to keep her mouth shut, and Cohen even attempted to hide it by paying it himself, as Trump wanted to pay cash.
Absolutes in mayhem? Come now. This is slashdot.org, and logic is of the order here. I don't know much about campaign finance laws because I find them to be against freedom and liberty. That being said, are there limits to how much a candidate can contribute to his own campaign? ...because, it ain't Cohen that paid her.
Well, it sorta is that Cohen paid her. The leaked conversation between Trump and Cohen, when Trump suggested paying her in cash, Cohen told him no, that he would take care of it. Cohen was smart enough to know he needed to hide that money. So if caught, Cohen could (and did) just say that he paid the bribe. Cohen also knew that following the money, the cash would need to come from somewhere, so could be easily traced.
Problem was, it was pretty obvious that they were attempting to silence people to keep them from negatively affecting the election prospects of Trump. Let us not forget that the good Mister Pecker has been cooperating with his role in shutting people up.
Because when the space force starts destroying other stuff in space, it's going to be kinda difficult to get through. Some pretty simple BDR's with some pretty simple shrapnel boomers - think space grenades - sent up near geosynchronous orbits will make GPS a thing of the past, and lower orbit space shrapnel is the gift that keeps on giving. Every orbiting device destroyed makes a positive feedback loop to knock off more devices. Imagine a space shuttle sized orbiter turned into debris. Not a good neighborhood to try to get through. A fleck of pain nearly broke a window on a space shuttle. https://www.cnet.com/pictures/...
Imagine what a bolt would do. Now imagine the entire LEO with tons of debris
Those that have security concerns are willing to take performance penalties, those that want performance usually don't worry too much about the security issues since the performance hunters are probably just running a single application anyway.
What might be interesting is to be able to boot the computer in different modes - performance or security mode. The Turbo button revival!
I love the idea! Although it would probably show the 5-10% slowdown is a real myth. I have a laptop that overall seems to have slowed down by about half.
Now that's not "benchmarked", but apparent performance.
It is extremely simple to find out if a person is a citizen or not. They take your name to the local courthouse, where birth and naturalization records are housed.
Neither my birth nor naturalization records are housed at the local courthouse. I must be an illegal alien, huh?
Quite possibly. Let's not go there at this time.
Here is my county's registration web page http://www.centrecountypa.gov/... - note, we are a heavily Republican county
From the web page: "You can register to vote through the Pennsylvania Department of State’s Online Application. Before you begin, be sure to have your Pennsylvania driver’s license or PennDOT ID card handy. If you don’t have one, there are other options. Once you submit your online application, it will be forwarded to the appropriate county voter registration office for processing.
Note that not all records are stored at the courthouse, but they are the ones who get the records from the PDOH division of vital records. Deal with it.
It's pretty simple - you have to start with a valid ID. And yes, a driver's license is official ID. Deal with it.
After you register to vote, using your legal ID, you are not immediately registered to vote. The voter registration office verifies that you are eligible. Deal with it.
You don't simply walk into a polling place and flash your driver's license, you have to be registered. But if your name is there as a registered voter, and you provide ID, you can vote. Deal with it.
Driver's licenses are legal proof of identity.
Identity does not equal citizenship, how will we assemble the list of citizens eligible to vote without, at some point, checking their citizenship?
When they register to vote. It is extremely simple to find out if a person is a citizen or not. They take your name to the local courthouse, where birth and naturalization records are housed. And the disqualifying factors are also simple to find out. Identity as a driver does not mean the person is a citizen. But it very clearly shows that a person exists, and from there, the process is very simple to find out and put you on the list of registered voters - or not.
You are fucking right everyone should have a federal ID to vote.
You're right, Mr. Colorful Language, it makes no sense to require the same identification to vote as is required to enter a federal building or cash a check when someone wants to vote - it's not nearly important as either of those two activities.
Sometimes you have to use colorful language.You consider the audience And sometimes you have to note that when people whine about supposed foreigners and unqualified people voting, and you propose a system that will work, they go nuts on you. I piss off more people who whine about voter fraud this way.
I propose a federal ID system, and you get booboo feelings because I used the word fucking, and others have a fit because of driver's license. Fear not, I fully understand exactly why.
as soon as a person comes up with a workable plan to ID voters,
And as soon as someone points out why your plan is not workable (because a DL is NOT a Voter's ID; it says nothing about citizenship or holding the right to vote)
Do you not understand that your citizenship and right to vote is determined long before you show up at the polling place?
When you are at the polling place preparing to vote, they verify that you are you, and that you are in their database and/or book of registered voters. My license is legal ID. That tells the poll workers that I am who I am. My name and address is in their book, proclaiming that I am a registered voter. They give me my ballot, and I go vote.
Now if my name was not in their database, and I showed up and used my drivers license for ID, I would get turned away. If I had a my voter ID, but didn't show up in their database, that would generate a flurry of activity and phone calls. That would likely have a provisional ballot filled out, but not counted unless the discrepancy was solved.
Dunno why you are wrapped around the axle about a system that is already in use and has a proven track record. It's simple. Register before the first election you plan to vote in, and they check your eligibility, then you get a Voter registration card. You go in the database - or the book for the smaller counties. The registration information is sent to the workers at the polling place that you are assigned to. They then match it all up on voting days. Do you think that random people just show up at random places and vote?
tl;dr version. Drivers license are legal ID. Voter registration databases or books are proof of legal registration. When the two meet, the citizen votes.