It was fine, mostly... except for all that getting lost, and getting stuck in traffic jams that I could have avoided had I only known. And never having a camera handy when I needed one. And not being able to instantly compare prices while in a store. And... and... and...
Now, a home device, on the other hand, designed for solely voice interface, I'm not seeing the benefit. I'm home, after all. I have a PC and can do precisely what I want, without an insanely clunky interface. And more importantly not do what I don't want.
Exactly. My home is my place where I speak freely, I might swear or tell rude jokes, and discuss stuff with my wife. I have no need for a home spying device. But I'm not going to sacrifice all of the benefits of technology for some wrong idea of privacy.
I've never owned a smartphone and never will, primarily because I really don't have a use for the capabilities, but also because I think they're too expensive for what you get, too expensive to operate (I don't want to give $100 or more a month to anyone just to have a phone), as well as a total swisscheese/collander so far as being secure goes (can't secure the browser properly, well-known ways to remotely hack them, tracks you everywhere via GPS, and so on). My life is just fine without one, too. Doesn't anyone else remember life before there were smartphones? We all lived just fine.;-)
There are people that have you beat - I know a few that have no computer, and to use your phrase, never will.
Don't buy one. If we don't call this surveillance, we don't call anything surveillance. Then again - if you want a little device that might be programmed to send what you are saying to various places, have at it
The problem is the anti-smokers don't want a compromise with the vaping. They want a FULL STOP or the right to punch smokers in the face for their habits. It's today's us vs. them.
Absolutely. The present day anti-smoking commercials have resorted to outright lies - especially the newspeakish Truth group.
People need something to hate, and since hating people based on race is kinda not good at all, smokers are a substitute.
The important thing is that those folk are addicted to their hate as much as smokers are addicted.
Well, it stands to reason that the magic number was the savings AND the bonus combined. Or the psychological effect of being given something extra if they are incapable of internalizing the long term savings alone.
There is no magic number, and this silly study is flawed to the point of uselessness.
6 months? 6 months in no way shape or form amounts to quitting. Actual quitting is measured in years. I "quit" back in the day for 6 months, then started again. Finally quit for real 42 years ago.
But if I was a smoker in this study, it would be no trick at all to simply stop for 6 months, then the day after my final check, enjoy a ciggy on the way back from using the money as a good chunk of a new laptop.
Yeah, but the NSA hat priort art on "fucking up the enemys network", how dare someone infringe on that...
It depends on which side you are fighting for Ivan. My enemies are my targets, and I am happy to destroy them. But alllowing my enemy's software on my computers? Nyet!
I knew that Kaspersky was a Kremlin tool long before the US Guvmint idiots ever thought about it. Whch is why i vet what is on my computer and networks.
Unfortunately, the people who run the cameras are corrupt as all hell. The problem is that once you privatize or commercialize automobile, yhey realize that after analysis that they can alter the settings just a little bit, and.....
One of the biggest tricks aside form massaging speed numbers is shortening the Yellow light times to the point where if you see yellow, you better stomp the brakes. We had a lot of discussions here about this, and my reaction is that if we get redlight camers in my city, teh instant I see a yellow light, I am locking the sprags. If it's a choice of getting a redlight ticket, or getting rear ended, I'll take the latter. Lo and behold: https://www.motorists.org/issu...
Did you seriously not get that I said that the hypothesis is a retarded one, given far more obvious ones,or did you just/have/ to grab that straw-man, just to attack something?
Please go meet some actual humans, and learn some common sense and common implications.
Hi there random AC on Slashdot. You really missed the part where I said you have to defend your thesis.
So defend it, its not my job, because I accept the science here.
In the meantime, simulations running back to the origin of our solar system indicate that the object was always in a retrograde path, not an orbit forced by Joopidur. It didn't go "too near" other than to go into orbit, and in the same direction it was already going. Merely captured into orbit in the directrion it was already going.
So are you going to prove that the simulations are faulty? You have made the differential claim, so it's your job to prove it. Show your math while you are at it.
It can just as well be, that it merely got turned around by getting too near to Jupiter and swinging around.
It is a well-known hypothesis that Jupiter protects the inner planets from asteroids coming from the outer solar system.
I see no conclusions being "jumped to".
A Differential hypothesis is the bedrock of science. Make the hypothesis, then try to disprove it.
In fact, your first sentence is a hypothesis. Your second sentence is in defense of it
Now, you need to look at orbital periods, work your way backwards.
Where it falls apart is you trying to use your first and only defense to disprove any other hypothesis. You rent there yet - you need to be proving your hypothesis with as much data as you can muster.
And something tells me these astronomers might have done the science here.
Should they actually legislate or continue to pussyfoot around the real problem, "Business Ethics"?
Or perhaps the real, real problem "Human Ethics"?
Humans by nature identify tribally. Some by racial characteristics, some by geographical location, some by culture, some by gender, some by sex. So if we were to systematically kill every person of whatever race or identity group is at the top of the food chain, whoever takes their place will be no more ethical.
Name your downtrodden oppressed group. Now explain how if they ascended to power, and exchanged places with the unethical folks in power today, all problems of ethics and discrimination would go away.
The Who sung it best: 'Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss"
And doesn't seem to know that pasta is made of the same stuff bread is.
There is commercial yeast in pasta?
You seem to be the one that doesn't know a whole lot.
Most Pasta is made of wheat, little coward. Most bread is made of wheat, coward. And while we are at it, not all bread is leavened, and some is raised with bacteria - the so-called "salt bread" - and sourdough a combination of naturally occurring lactobacilli and yeast.
And since we are talking about GMO wheat, and not yeast in the first place, it's time for you to take your well deserved
Found the guy who things an apocryphal story is "science".
And doesn't seem to know that pasta is made of the same stuff bread is. Yeah, I know different kinds of pastas and breads, but if not stated otherwise, it means plain old wheat for both.
OHMYFUCKINGGAWD! Teslas burn! We must ba them and go back to old school vehicles that never burn and are safe!
A guy drives with autpopilot screaming at him and runs into something.
OHMYFUCKINGGAWD! Teslas autopilots Are deadly cna Kill people!!!! At least no one ever ran into anything usingCruise con troy, which is percetly safe.
I would love to see every accident in the US given the same coverage as teh OHMYFUCKINGGAWD! Teslas get.
Now of course if one's head is stuck in the Petrofuel world, and even a hybrid Prius is a symbol of traitorism, then yeah, hearing about a Tesla getting a flat tire is happy proof that we should all be driving the biggest diesel pickups we can get and rolling some coal to show the snowflakes the error of their ways....
20 years and billions of dollars and the most Hillary was found guilty of was bieng a bitch. Which isn't a crime.
Goldwater, bengahzi. Private email server which every congressman has too. She never broke a law, but she wasn't moral, or likeable.
Looking at the evidence of her server issues, what happened rose to the level of a security violation, not an imprisonable offense. As for Behghazi, I wonder where the outrage was during 2000 to 2008. People need to see how many were killed at US embassies during that golden era.
I really like Barry Goldwater! I don't agree with all of his positions, but he was a pragmatist. Many people on the progressive side of the spectrum don't know that he was pro-choice, pro gays in the military, anti-fundamentalist and a proponent of wide separation of church and state. The type of conservative that wanted to let people be people, not hated the other. And he understood that governing was compromise, something that seems to be missing in our modern lack of governance.
If we could bring people back to life, he'd be my first one. I would then hand him the Jawbone of an ass, and tell him to get to work.
The main reason that men are not wanting children is that they are becoming liberated like women were in the 60s.
Can't disagree with that. The sad part is a lot of women who do want children won't now. I wonder though, if the fracture between the sexes was the proper outcome of liberation?
Unlike women though there is no biological clock, at least not until old age.
It's easy to keep putting off having children.
Right. For some reason, the standard modern model for women has been to put off childbearing until mid-30s or for the brave, until the 40's. This is often accompanied by fertility treatments, in vitro, and frozen eggs. All to avoid having children at their most fertile years. This is a terrible disservice to the children. especially if they are disabled due to the advanced age at which they were conceived. Not to mention if you have child in your mid 40's you'll be mid 60's when they are in college.
Might be a better idea to have children early, then dive into your career full steam ahead.
Plus, the basic cost of living is so high that kids are unaffordable anyway. They also see their parents doing better and assume they will later in life too, which looks somewhat unlikely now.
And how! We spent a small fortune raising one child. Granted, travel Ice Hockey is expensive. But having a big, high energy child, Ice hockey beats the hell out of drugging, which is today's mode d'emploi with boys to make certain they make no trouble.
Ahh, the old Urolagnia approach. I can only give it 2 stars (out of 10) Try again Sparkle. I'm only trying to help you improve yourself. So get creative!
That s correct. One of the oddest things about this whole matter though is that in all of the stories about the falling birth rate, the focus is very gynocentric.
Which is a little odd - if you don't consider the other half of the equation, you don't get the whole picture.
That's because the women are the ones who actually give birth. They're also the ones who decide whether or not to have a child the vast majority of the time. It's not like women actually need to be in a long-term relationship to get pregnant. Heck, sperm donors mean she doesn't even have to have sex.
And yet - here we are. Seems like there is absolutely no problem at all, men have not one thing to do with the issue, and women can take care of all of this with no issues whatsoever. http://www.bbc.com/news/health... . Seems some places are having trouble getting donors. Perhaps this low birth rate is fake news.
And as passive avoidance, it is becoming a problem.
Citation required.
Okay, let us start. You can get an inkling of the problem just by DDG'ing "Where have all the good men gone?" one of the best links is http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem...
And here is where things start getting weird. Men are avoiding relationships with beautiful desireable women, and it is the men's fault. So you start blaming people who are avoiding you for avoiding you. Men her age are too fat, and as she calles them "delusional" There is a certain lack of logic in utilizing shaming tactics on people who largely base their lack of interaction on shaming tactics of the past. THese women are whining about how they can't find a good man, then whining about how awful men are. There is a face slapping clue in there, unless one goes through life with the firm conviction that any and all problems are distinctly the fault of males. these women? I woudn't put up with their whiny misandric ways for a minute.
Next up, we get the red-pill movements. This one is a bit worrying. There are a few different types. One is Men's right's activists, or MRA's. These are sort of like feminists. They are more understandable to feminists, because of similar tactics.
The part of red-pilling that has recently become more concerning to feminists and women in general is MGTOW, or men going their own way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... This is because instead of marching to provoke people or agitating for laws, these men simply use passive avoidance. It is a largely online community with no political aims, even when there are people or groups that try to frame it as such. I was listening to an NPR "On the Media" presentation and interview when the woman host was trying to frame MGTOW as an alt-right movement, who was mystified by a felliow who did an analysis that shoed that overall, except for the passive avoidance, these men could largely be called centrist Democrats.
The large concern is because of this passive avoidance. And almost all are completely immune to shaming tactics. https://www.mgtow.com/ Anyhow, I've provided a few cites - there are thousands out there, and a lot of data that indicates that not all problems are the fault of men.
the traditional nerds and otherwise males unattractive to women come to mind.
What, are you 16?
How cute. Something I have written that angers you? Very strange, when I write some non-insulting post, where all you have to do is go down point by point and show me the error of my ways, yet you post this
The divorced and now indigent males who are no longer attractive as support providers,
Ouch. Why do those have to go hand in hand?
Every time you divorce, you split half of everything with your ex-wife. And if there are children involved, a lot of money goes there as well. So most likely she will get the house as well. Very likely half of your retirement. So unless you are really wealthy, you are going to be pretty poor. Not as attractive a marriage prospect, and the new wife often having to deal with the drama that can sometimes come with dealing with an ex-wife and children.
the traditional nerds and otherwise males unattractive to women come to mind.
OH! Well now, just fuck you too dude. There's no need for that sorta shit around here. Have you forgotten where you are?
You are the first reasonable person to have said something very insightful regarding this topic.
So many anon cowards who can't put a name to their comment, when spewing all the hatred on either side.
Yea, but my karma suffers... The liberals hate reasonable discussions about this whole crazy politically motivated claims of criminality and moderate me down.
Shit man, your Fox News talking points are sweet., and you are the one spewing political bullshit here. but if you consider your self a new crypto conservative, you apparently don't even understand that, or else wear blinders that no other ideology but your own is permissible. I'm no liberal either. I just happen to like law and order, and like to see those who break it punished to the fiull extent of the law in every case. You apparently have some pretty severe political motivations that allopw you to predertermine guilt by voter registration.
We need a new Barry Goldwater, and we need him now.
No one is obligated to breed kids for the good of the country. If women want to work, eat, pray, love whatever, it's their business -- you can't choose others' path in life for them.
That s correct. One of the oddest things about this whole matter though is that in all of the stories about the falling birth rate, the focus is very gynocentric.
Which is a little odd - if you don't consider the other half of the equation, you don't get the whole picture.
The only time we get any mention of the male aspect of this birth issue is attack pieces on this so-called MGTOW movement, men who have dropped out of the relationship game. And as passive avoidance, it is becoming a problem.
I guess you might consider "types' of men involved. The divorced and now indigent males who are no longer attractive as support providers, the traditional nerds and otherwise males unattractive to women come to mind.
But there is a new sub-group of normal men who have simply chosen to opt out of relationships because it offers benefits like less financial drain, avoidance of the divorce trap, and greater overall freedom.
Coupled with the new demographic in Universities of female to male ratio, largely in favor of the females, and still growing, there are a lot of well educated women in high paying jobs that simply cannot find a male that measures up to their standards. They aren't freezing their eggs because there are men lined up to mate with them. A lot of ladies, and a much smaller pool of acceptable men.
I suppose the issue of men choosing to remain childless and out of relationships with women doesn't fit the narrative, but not addressing it at all except in hit pieces describing these men alternately as selfish jerks and pathetic weasels isn't helping the women's cause.
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Yeah, I do. I used to brag about not having one.
It was fine, mostly ... except for all that getting lost, and getting stuck in traffic jams that I could have avoided had I only known. And never having a camera handy when I needed one. And not being able to instantly compare prices while in a store. And ... and ... and ...
Now, a home device, on the other hand, designed for solely voice interface, I'm not seeing the benefit. I'm home, after all. I have a PC and can do precisely what I want, without an insanely clunky interface. And more importantly not do what I don't want.
Exactly. My home is my place where I speak freely, I might swear or tell rude jokes, and discuss stuff with my wife. I have no need for a home spying device. But I'm not going to sacrifice all of the benefits of technology for some wrong idea of privacy.
I've never owned a smartphone and never will, primarily because I really don't have a use for the capabilities, but also because I think they're too expensive for what you get, too expensive to operate (I don't want to give $100 or more a month to anyone just to have a phone), as well as a total swisscheese/collander so far as being secure goes (can't secure the browser properly, well-known ways to remotely hack them, tracks you everywhere via GPS, and so on). My life is just fine without one, too. Doesn't anyone else remember life before there were smartphones? We all lived just fine. ;-)
There are people that have you beat - I know a few that have no computer, and to use your phrase, never will.
We lived just fine without those too.
Probably the best fix:
Don't buy one. If we don't call this surveillance, we don't call anything surveillance. Then again - if you want a little device that might be programmed to send what you are saying to various places, have at it
The problem is the anti-smokers don't want a compromise with the vaping. They want a FULL STOP or the right to punch smokers in the face for their habits. It's today's us vs. them.
Absolutely. The present day anti-smoking commercials have resorted to outright lies - especially the newspeakish Truth group.
People need something to hate, and since hating people based on race is kinda not good at all, smokers are a substitute.
The important thing is that those folk are addicted to their hate as much as smokers are addicted.
Well, it stands to reason that the magic number was the savings AND the bonus combined. Or the psychological effect of being given something extra if they are incapable of internalizing the long term savings alone.
There is no magic number, and this silly study is flawed to the point of uselessness.
6 months? 6 months in no way shape or form amounts to quitting. Actual quitting is measured in years. I "quit" back in the day for 6 months, then started again. Finally quit for real 42 years ago.
But if I was a smoker in this study, it would be no trick at all to simply stop for 6 months, then the day after my final check, enjoy a ciggy on the way back from using the money as a good chunk of a new laptop.
Helen was from Sparta.
Either Helen of troy, Helen of Sparta, or Helen is appropriate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Yeah, but the NSA hat priort art on "fucking up the enemys network", how dare someone infringe on that...
It depends on which side you are fighting for Ivan. My enemies are my targets, and I am happy to destroy them. But alllowing my enemy's software on my computers? Nyet!
I knew that Kaspersky was a Kremlin tool long before the US Guvmint idiots ever thought about it. Whch is why i vet what is on my computer and networks.
We must read the story of Helen of Troy, and the Trojan horse. Most bolshy applicable.
I'd be all for automated camera enforcement.
Unfortunately, the people who run the cameras are corrupt as all hell. The problem is that once you privatize or commercialize automobile, yhey realize that after analysis that they can alter the settings just a little bit, and.....
Profit!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...
http://www.thegazette.com/subj...
http://www.moremonmouthmusings...
One of the biggest tricks aside form massaging speed numbers is shortening the Yellow light times to the point where if you see yellow, you better stomp the brakes. We had a lot of discussions here about this, and my reaction is that if we get redlight camers in my city, teh instant I see a yellow light, I am locking the sprags. If it's a choice of getting a redlight ticket, or getting rear ended, I'll take the latter. Lo and behold: https://www.motorists.org/issu...
Did you seriously not get that I said that the hypothesis is a retarded one, given far more obvious ones,or did you just /have/ to grab that straw-man, just to attack something?
Please go meet some actual humans, and learn some common sense and common implications.
Hi there random AC on Slashdot. You really missed the part where I said you have to defend your thesis.
So defend it, its not my job, because I accept the science here.
In the meantime, simulations running back to the origin of our solar system indicate that the object was always in a retrograde path, not an orbit forced by Joopidur. It didn't go "too near" other than to go into orbit, and in the same direction it was already going. Merely captured into orbit in the directrion it was already going.
So are you going to prove that the simulations are faulty? You have made the differential claim, so it's your job to prove it. Show your math while you are at it.
It can just as well be, that it merely got turned around by getting too near to Jupiter and swinging around.
It is a well-known hypothesis that Jupiter protects the inner planets from asteroids coming from the outer solar system.
I see no conclusions being "jumped to".
A Differential hypothesis is the bedrock of science. Make the hypothesis, then try to disprove it.
In fact, your first sentence is a hypothesis. Your second sentence is in defense of it
Now, you need to look at orbital periods, work your way backwards.
Where it falls apart is you trying to use your first and only defense to disprove any other hypothesis. You rent there yet - you need to be proving your hypothesis with as much data as you can muster.
And something tells me these astronomers might have done the science here.
Computer "Ethics" Class?
Should they actually legislate or continue to pussyfoot around the real problem, "Business Ethics"?
Or perhaps the real, real problem "Human Ethics"?
Humans by nature identify tribally. Some by racial characteristics, some by geographical location, some by culture, some by gender, some by sex. So if we were to systematically kill every person of whatever race or identity group is at the top of the food chain, whoever takes their place will be no more ethical.
Name your downtrodden oppressed group. Now explain how if they ascended to power, and exchanged places with the unethical folks in power today, all problems of ethics and discrimination would go away.
The Who sung it best: 'Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss"
There is commercial yeast in pasta?
You seem to be the one that doesn't know a whole lot.
Most Pasta is made of wheat, little coward. Most bread is made of wheat, coward. And while we are at it, not all bread is leavened, and some is raised with bacteria - the so-called "salt bread" - and sourdough a combination of naturally occurring lactobacilli and yeast.
And since we are talking about GMO wheat, and not yeast in the first place, it's time for you to take your well deserved
Whoosh!
Found the guy who things an apocryphal story is "science".
And doesn't seem to know that pasta is made of the same stuff bread is. Yeah, I know different kinds of pastas and breads, but if not stated otherwise, it means plain old wheat for both.
A Tesla catches fire.
pardon my spelchucker
OHMYFUCKINGGAWD! Teslas burn! We must ba them and go back to old school vehicles that never burn and are safe!
A guy drives with autpopilot screaming at him and runs into something.
OHMYFUCKINGGAWD! Teslas autopilots Are deadly cna Kill people!!!! At least no one ever ran into anything usingCruise con troy, which is percetly safe.
I would love to see every accident in the US given the same coverage as teh OHMYFUCKINGGAWD! Teslas get.
Now of course if one's head is stuck in the Petrofuel world, and even a hybrid Prius is a symbol of traitorism, then yeah, hearing about a Tesla getting a flat tire is happy proof that we should all be driving the biggest diesel pickups we can get and rolling some coal to show the snowflakes the error of their ways....
20 years and billions of dollars and the most Hillary was found guilty of was bieng a bitch. Which isn't a crime.
Goldwater, bengahzi. Private email server which every congressman has too. She never broke a law, but she wasn't moral, or likeable.
Looking at the evidence of her server issues, what happened rose to the level of a security violation, not an imprisonable offense. As for Behghazi, I wonder where the outrage was during 2000 to 2008. People need to see how many were killed at US embassies during that golden era.
And I like Barry Goldwater
Careful what you wish for--you do know that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl, right?
I really like Barry Goldwater! I don't agree with all of his positions, but he was a pragmatist. Many people on the progressive side of the spectrum don't know that he was pro-choice, pro gays in the military, anti-fundamentalist and a proponent of wide separation of church and state. The type of conservative that wanted to let people be people, not hated the other. And he understood that governing was compromise, something that seems to be missing in our modern lack of governance.
If we could bring people back to life, he'd be my first one. I would then hand him the Jawbone of an ass, and tell him to get to work.
The main reason that men are not wanting children is that they are becoming liberated like women were in the 60s.
Can't disagree with that. The sad part is a lot of women who do want children won't now. I wonder though, if the fracture between the sexes was the proper outcome of liberation?
Unlike women though there is no biological clock, at least not until old age.
It's easy to keep putting off having children.
Right. For some reason, the standard modern model for women has been to put off childbearing until mid-30s or for the brave, until the 40's. This is often accompanied by fertility treatments, in vitro, and frozen eggs. All to avoid having children at their most fertile years. This is a terrible disservice to the children. especially if they are disabled due to the advanced age at which they were conceived. Not to mention if you have child in your mid 40's you'll be mid 60's when they are in college.
Might be a better idea to have children early, then dive into your career full steam ahead.
Plus, the basic cost of living is so high that kids are unaffordable anyway. They also see their parents doing better and assume they will later in life too, which looks somewhat unlikely now.
And how! We spent a small fortune raising one child. Granted, travel Ice Hockey is expensive. But having a big, high energy child, Ice hockey beats the hell out of drugging, which is today's mode d'emploi with boys to make certain they make no trouble.
Yes yes, and plants will crave Bradow. Cause it has electro lights.
Autocorrect in action here!
Ahh, the old Urolagnia approach. I can only give it 2 stars (out of 10) Try again Sparkle. I'm only trying to help you improve yourself. So get creative!
That s correct. One of the oddest things about this whole matter though is that in all of the stories about the falling birth rate, the focus is very gynocentric.
Which is a little odd - if you don't consider the other half of the equation, you don't get the whole picture.
That's because the women are the ones who actually give birth. They're also the ones who decide whether or not to have a child the vast majority of the time. It's not like women actually need to be in a long-term relationship to get pregnant. Heck, sperm donors mean she doesn't even have to have sex.
And yet - here we are. Seems like there is absolutely no problem at all, men have not one thing to do with the issue, and women can take care of all of this with no issues whatsoever. http://www.bbc.com/news/health... . Seems some places are having trouble getting donors. Perhaps this low birth rate is fake news.
And as passive avoidance, it is becoming a problem.
Citation required.
Okay, let us start. You can get an inkling of the problem just by DDG'ing "Where have all the good men gone?" one of the best links is http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem...
https://www.theglobeandmail.co...
And here is where things start getting weird. Men are avoiding relationships with beautiful desireable women, and it is the men's fault. So you start blaming people who are avoiding you for avoiding you. Men her age are too fat, and as she calles them "delusional" There is a certain lack of logic in utilizing shaming tactics on people who largely base their lack of interaction on shaming tactics of the past. THese women are whining about how they can't find a good man, then whining about how awful men are. There is a face slapping clue in there, unless one goes through life with the firm conviction that any and all problems are distinctly the fault of males. these women? I woudn't put up with their whiny misandric ways for a minute.
Next up, we get the red-pill movements. This one is a bit worrying. There are a few different types. One is Men's right's activists, or MRA's. These are sort of like feminists. They are more understandable to feminists, because of similar tactics.
The part of red-pilling that has recently become more concerning to feminists and women in general is MGTOW, or men going their own way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... This is because instead of marching to provoke people or agitating for laws, these men simply use passive avoidance. It is a largely online community with no political aims, even when there are people or groups that try to frame it as such. I was listening to an NPR "On the Media" presentation and interview when the woman host was trying to frame MGTOW as an alt-right movement, who was mystified by a felliow who did an analysis that shoed that overall, except for the passive avoidance, these men could largely be called centrist Democrats.
The large concern is because of this passive avoidance. And almost all are completely immune to shaming tactics. https://www.mgtow.com/ Anyhow, I've provided a few cites - there are thousands out there, and a lot of data that indicates that not all problems are the fault of men.
the traditional nerds and otherwise males unattractive to women come to mind.
What, are you 16?
How cute. Something I have written that angers you? Very strange, when I write some non-insulting post, where all you have to do is go down point by point and show me the error of my ways, yet you post this
The divorced and now indigent males who are no longer attractive as support providers,
Ouch. Why do those have to go hand in hand?
Every time you divorce, you split half of everything with your ex-wife. And if there are children involved, a lot of money goes there as well. So most likely she will get the house as well. Very likely half of your retirement. So unless you are really wealthy, you are going to be pretty poor. Not as attractive a marriage prospect, and the new wife often having to deal with the drama that can sometimes come with dealing with an ex-wife and children.
the traditional nerds and otherwise males unattractive to women come to mind.
OH! Well now, just fuck you too dude. There's no need for that sorta shit around here. Have you forgotten where you are?
Don't shoot the messenger.
You are the first reasonable person to have said something very insightful regarding this topic. So many anon cowards who can't put a name to their comment, when spewing all the hatred on either side.
Yea, but my karma suffers... The liberals hate reasonable discussions about this whole crazy politically motivated claims of criminality and moderate me down.
Blah blah liberals, blah blah politically motivated.
Shit man, your Fox News talking points are sweet., and you are the one spewing political bullshit here. but if you consider your self a new crypto conservative, you apparently don't even understand that, or else wear blinders that no other ideology but your own is permissible. I'm no liberal either. I just happen to like law and order, and like to see those who break it punished to the fiull extent of the law in every case. You apparently have some pretty severe political motivations that allopw you to predertermine guilt by voter registration.
We need a new Barry Goldwater, and we need him now.
No one is obligated to breed kids for the good of the country. If women want to work, eat, pray, love whatever, it's their business -- you can't choose others' path in life for them.
That s correct. One of the oddest things about this whole matter though is that in all of the stories about the falling birth rate, the focus is very gynocentric.
Which is a little odd - if you don't consider the other half of the equation, you don't get the whole picture.
The only time we get any mention of the male aspect of this birth issue is attack pieces on this so-called MGTOW movement, men who have dropped out of the relationship game. And as passive avoidance, it is becoming a problem.
I guess you might consider "types' of men involved. The divorced and now indigent males who are no longer attractive as support providers, the traditional nerds and otherwise males unattractive to women come to mind.
But there is a new sub-group of normal men who have simply chosen to opt out of relationships because it offers benefits like less financial drain, avoidance of the divorce trap, and greater overall freedom.
Coupled with the new demographic in Universities of female to male ratio, largely in favor of the females, and still growing, there are a lot of well educated women in high paying jobs that simply cannot find a male that measures up to their standards. They aren't freezing their eggs because there are men lined up to mate with them. A lot of ladies, and a much smaller pool of acceptable men.
I suppose the issue of men choosing to remain childless and out of relationships with women doesn't fit the narrative, but not addressing it at all except in hit pieces describing these men alternately as selfish jerks and pathetic weasels isn't helping the women's cause.