GREAT quality, not just acceptable please. Multiple audio streams please. Multiple captioning/subtitle streams (not that these add size worth mentioning, I just want it).
You suggest an average user buy and install a hard drive? Jesus christ you know how many people couldn't do that on the PS3 without hand holding, stripping screws, and in general fucking things up?
Wireless routers/adapters and printers come with nice quick start guides with handy pictures and CDs with autorunning installers for Windows.
The POINT is that switching an existing install of windows over to a linux install is way more fucking effort than an average user will accept. They will throw their hands up and say "but I already have something that works!"
Obviously a prebuilt computer with an installed and configured os is fine.
Cost of getting to station (and back) Cost of fare (round trip) Cost of rental/transport to destination (and back) Cost of wasted time Cost of being a damned loser without a car
Trains are for freight and densely packed urban areas where traffic and parking is a huge issue. This is why you'll see such huge support by the neo-urbanites.
If you want to add in: Cost of car Cost of registration Cost of insurance
You need to also add in: Cost of not being able to get out in case of emergency Cost of having to hire movers anytime you buy a piece of furniture Etc.
You seriously overestimate the ability of 99.9% of people to adapt.
I regularly deal with people who need to be reminded what a double click is, how to HOLD a key while pressing another key, or that the shiny side of the disc goes towards the tray.
The argument was about people switching from Windows to Linux, not people buying a new computer.
All your other counterpoints are similar sidestepping.
Nobody wants to wait for a disc in the mail (most of the time, they never send those discs out! Read some of the other posts if you don't believe me).
Most people do NOT download TV shows or movies. They have their son at college do it. Or the neighbor kid.
Regardless, who wants to wait when they could be using their new PC now, with Windows?
Burning a music CD with Roxio/whatever other crap was bundled onto a PC is easy. Tell them to burn an ISO and 90% of the time they struggle then end up with a data cd/dvd with an iso file on it.
The live windows installer is the ONLY decent option for people. But it leaves Windows on the PC, so guess which people will be using when they see that boot loader? The argument was about REPLACING Windows and getting people to switch.
Yeah no, wireless often still does not work. Same with printers/scanners/etc.
And with cameras, people want the box to pop up. No, not that one, the other one. It pops up, and I click the button.
Is it the HP one? The Dell one? the Windows one? I don't know. It used to pop up.
You seriously overestimate 99% of users if you think they are anywhere near ready for Linux, or that Linux is anywhere near ready for them.
Did you mean, "Did you mean, "I hope neither you nor anyone else"?"?
The second comma separates "nor anyone else" from "you", but "anyone else" is an ultimate qualifier, which should be placed at the end of any lists.
You're using "gets" for "you" when you should be using "get". This seems correct since you're using "neither" and ", nor anyone else" to (incorrectly) form a list.
Since there is no list involved, the ultimate qualifier should be used parenthetically after the verb, or without the comma. If we're using it parenthetically, we drop the "neither" and commute that negative over to "ever", and change "gets" to "get" as well.
"Oh god, I hope neither you nor anyone else ever gets this to work."
"Oh god, I hope you never get this to work (nor anyone else)."
If you add in a third comma it's still wrong. "Oh god, I hope neither you, nor anyone else, ever gets this to work." Separating out "nor anyone else" with commas before the verb "gets" ties "gets" to "you", which is incorrect. Parenthesis should be used here if you want to keep "nor anyone else" before the verb in order to prevent any conjugation conflict.
If you're going to be a Grammar Nazi, do it correctly.
If you're going to bitch about my use and nesting of quotation marks and punctuation at the beginning of my post, eat a dick. What is inside a quotation must be copied exactly. If it includes quotation marks, so be it. Nobody said it had to be easy (or unambiguous) to parse, and any attempt to use single quotes, block quotes, etc. can be foiled if you need to quote something containing them, so they do not provide complete disambiguation.
Look at all the other distros Pick Ubuntu out of all the others Wait and wait and wait for the download Burn it to a disc Wait let me find a disc How do I burn it? Ok the light is blinking Ok so I reboot and put the cd in? Ok my desktop is back No I didn't get a message asking me to boot from the disc I have to hit what when the computer is beeping?.........
Ok my internet doesn't work, do I need to get a new email now? Yeah, it's wireless. So I need a wire now? What about my printer? That's not working. And when I plug in my camera the little box doesn't come up, how do I email my pictures?
Linux is NOT for regular people and it NEVER will be.
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Carrier frequency doesn't matter?
Sir, I'll have you know that
************CARRIER LOST **************
Shit. Forgot to mention, 10 Mbps average is fine, 10 Mbps peak (or constant) is SHIT.
1080p please.
GREAT quality, not just acceptable please.
Multiple audio streams please.
Multiple captioning/subtitle streams (not that these add size worth mentioning, I just want it).
I'm all in favor of mandatory intelligence testing for all sorts of things.
Where can I view (in human-readable form) the whole fucking budget. All of it. I'll streamline that shit like a soft turd in a wind tunnel.
I'll do it for free, and in under a week, too.
Yes you are!
Yes we can!
(Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!)
You were paramocking him.
If the OS was designed so the user had to think, the user still wouldn't think.
You suggest an average user buy and install a hard drive? Jesus christ you know how many people couldn't do that on the PS3 without hand holding, stripping screws, and in general fucking things up?
Wireless routers/adapters and printers come with nice quick start guides with handy pictures and CDs with autorunning installers for Windows.
The POINT is that switching an existing install of windows over to a linux install is way more fucking effort than an average user will accept. They will throw their hands up and say "but I already have something that works!"
Obviously a prebuilt computer with an installed and configured os is fine.
Well, when the year of the linux desktop arrives, I'll give you a cookie.
You may want to hold off on buying milk though, lest it spoil.
Yah.
I use windows xp with no antivirus or such.
I don't visit random sites and download random shit.
I get all the security updates.
No problems.
Hell, I even run as administrator!
Care to point out how a user like me could run into trouble?
If you want to talk about 0-day (or otherwise unpatched) exploits, please also detail how I would come across them.
Cost of fuel
Cost of parking
Cost of maintenance
Cost of getting to station (and back)
Cost of fare (round trip)
Cost of rental/transport to destination (and back)
Cost of wasted time
Cost of being a damned loser without a car
Trains are for freight and densely packed urban areas where traffic and parking is a huge issue.
This is why you'll see such huge support by the neo-urbanites.
If you want to add in:
Cost of car
Cost of registration
Cost of insurance
You need to also add in:
Cost of not being able to get out in case of emergency
Cost of having to hire movers anytime you buy a piece of furniture
Etc.
You referenced your old mother being able to use a command line.
Did you intend that to be some sort of anecdotal evidence about either:
Linux being usable
People being able to sue Linux
?
If so, my point was that your mother, like edarem, is a rare exception.
Then it's a problem with the user, as always, and NOT the operating system.
Run virus.exe in XP (SP2), Vista, or (I presume) 7.
What's that box? A security warning about unsigned code?
Rename the file to virus.txt.exe and try again.
What's that box? A security warning about unsigned code?
Fuck off insecurity experts.
Uh, that was just media getting higher priority in scheduling. Possibly related to a different timer being used, I don't know.
Once, on open.
You seriously overestimate the ability of 99.9% of people to adapt.
I regularly deal with people who need to be reminded what a double click is, how to HOLD a key while pressing another key, or that the shiny side of the disc goes towards the tray.
Dell sells Ubuntu. Yup.
How many did they sell?
The argument was about people switching from Windows to Linux, not people buying a new computer.
All your other counterpoints are similar sidestepping.
Nobody wants to wait for a disc in the mail (most of the time, they never send those discs out! Read some of the other posts if you don't believe me).
Most people do NOT download TV shows or movies. They have their son at college do it. Or the neighbor kid.
Regardless, who wants to wait when they could be using their new PC now, with Windows?
Burning a music CD with Roxio/whatever other crap was bundled onto a PC is easy. Tell them to burn an ISO and 90% of the time they struggle then end up with a data cd/dvd with an iso file on it.
The live windows installer is the ONLY decent option for people. But it leaves Windows on the PC, so guess which people will be using when they see that boot loader? The argument was about REPLACING Windows and getting people to switch.
Yeah no, wireless often still does not work.
Same with printers/scanners/etc.
And with cameras, people want the box to pop up.
No, not that one, the other one. It pops up, and I click the button.
Is it the HP one? The Dell one? the Windows one?
I don't know. It used to pop up.
You seriously overestimate 99% of users if you think they are anywhere near ready for Linux, or that Linux is anywhere near ready for them.
Using your laptop wirelessly to connect to other laptops is against FAA rules, duh.
Did you mean, "Did you mean, "I hope neither you nor anyone else"?"?
The second comma separates "nor anyone else" from "you", but "anyone else" is an ultimate qualifier, which should be placed at the end of any lists.
You're using "gets" for "you" when you should be using "get". This seems correct since you're using "neither" and ", nor anyone else" to (incorrectly) form a list.
Since there is no list involved, the ultimate qualifier should be used parenthetically after the verb, or without the comma. If we're using it parenthetically, we drop the "neither" and commute that negative over to "ever", and change "gets" to "get" as well.
"Oh god, I hope neither you nor anyone else ever gets this to work."
"Oh god, I hope you never get this to work (nor anyone else)."
If you add in a third comma it's still wrong.
"Oh god, I hope neither you, nor anyone else, ever gets this to work." Separating out "nor anyone else" with commas before the verb "gets" ties "gets" to "you", which is incorrect. Parenthesis should be used here if you want to keep "nor anyone else" before the verb in order to prevent any conjugation conflict.
If you're going to be a Grammar Nazi, do it correctly.
If you're going to bitch about my use and nesting of quotation marks and punctuation at the beginning of my post, eat a dick. What is inside a quotation must be copied exactly. If it includes quotation marks, so be it. Nobody said it had to be easy (or unambiguous) to parse, and any attempt to use single quotes, block quotes, etc. can be foiled if you need to quote something containing them, so they do not provide complete disambiguation.
MS would get sued for antitrust if they updated paint.
(I know it's updated in 7 - can't wait!)
You forgot
Look at all the other distros ... ... ...
Pick Ubuntu out of all the others
Wait and wait and wait for the download
Burn it to a disc
Wait let me find a disc
How do I burn it?
Ok the light is blinking
Ok so I reboot and put the cd in?
Ok my desktop is back
No I didn't get a message asking me to boot from the disc
I have to hit what when the computer is beeping?
Ok my internet doesn't work, do I need to get a new email now?
Yeah, it's wireless.
So I need a wire now?
What about my printer? That's not working.
And when I plug in my camera the little box doesn't come up, how do I email my pictures?
Linux is NOT for regular people and it NEVER will be.
The DRM code is dormant and has no effect except when playing back DRM'd content.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these.
I mean
But does it run Linux?
No wait
How many Libraries of Congress can it hold?
Won't someone explain this in terms of a car analogy!?