...it would never have been there in the first place. Most of us would be embarassed to open up such obvious flaws in our code - peer review would never have let this happen.
The Gimp has been ported to a bunch of different operating systems, including Win32 (and BeOS is in the works I think).
Having used the Win32 port, I would say that it would probably drag an NT server down in seconds under this kind of load. Although that might just be because of the GTK (which isn't an issue here).
I'm not entirely sure that I understand you're post but here we go...
Wasn't it a bad thing when Microsoft decided that people needed the latest version of Explorer to access and run some of their software? Yes, but only if that software (whatever it was) did not actually need one of the components. You're point is like saying "it's wrong to distribute X application because it requires Y library".
Now Netscape doesn't want Mozilla to be just a browser but a set of tools - and have applications written specifically for and requiring Mozilla. Yes, Mozilla does require Mozilla - this doesn't even make sense.
You can (and probably should) be writing most of your app in a compilable language. AFAIK the very high level UI stuff is javascript and XML, the actual workings are in compiled form.
Can you imagine a browser written entirely in perl?
... everyone Wake Up from your nice, cumfy beds and watch some lights in the sky. I dont want to speak for anyone, but it sounds like a lot of hubub over nothing.
I agree, what's the point in having a real life, when you can sit on your arse pretending?
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Anyone else notice any odd occurances with your electronic gadgets?
Our NT print server hasn't crashed this morning. Does that count?
crappy old P133 with the majority of its components broken and no net connection.
I use a 486 66 at home to run linux - not a problem, in fact if you are using the machine to learn about linux then it is better, IMHO, to use a low-powered machine as it will prevent you from being distracted by fancy GUIs.
Haven't RedHat et al proven that OSS has the attraction to draw service contracts from companies specifically designed around this premise? If there were a truly "Enterprise" database which was open source there would be companies willing to service it - there's probably as much money it that as there is offering support on operating systems.
By definition, anything put together by a novice in an afternoon would not be professional. Professional code should documented and maintainable, handle errors and weird input in some fashion other than choking and/or providing security holes and should have at least some thought towards performance.
This is just not true of many working environments. I am a professional programmer and analyst, I am not a novice. I use VB because the time it takes to create a basic front end is sooo much faster than anything else. Being professional is about choosing the right tools for the right purpuse and spending the appropriate amount of time on the right things. In most offices VB is the right tool.
However, that point aside I must agree with you regarding the comparison with PHP and ColdFusion. Although I was familiar with VB beforehand I still found PHP a damn site easier and faster and nicer to code in than VBScript which does virtually nothing out of the box. I dream of the day everyone uses PHP.
It ruins the effect quite a lot when you can see the walls wobbling
Yes, but Dr. Who and Blake's 7 still entertain more than some of the blander sci-fi offerings (with larger budgets).
Besides, BBC still manages to create some amazing effects-based stuff like the recent programme on Dinosaurs and Gormangast(ly) - the latter being IMO boring but impressive visually.
(Sorry, don't take me too seriously with that rant.)
You're quite right, I was out of order with that first line, sorry. I just re-read the thread: I think I didn't read you're post thoroughly enough - my back was already up with previous posts.
While I agree that to open up the java platform would be of huge benefit to SUN in the long run, I feel I ought to point out that the decision to release the browser may not be their call.
IIRC when it was still called netbeans the browser was bought-in technology (I think it was call "ice browser") and if that is still the case then the OS zealot should be complaining about another company.
We should be encouraging SUN rather than flaming them. Stop complaining that a company wants to make money or is "jumping on the band wagon" - that is what companies do FULL STOP.
Thankyou, this is just about the first sensible comment on this subject.
People, you must be careful of your governments behaviour. Just shrugging your shoulders is irresponsible and symptomatic of taking democracy for granted.
Oooh! I'm glad you've been there, and I'm glad you know so much. My comment was aimed at people who have the South Park image of Ethiopians. Yes we spent most of our time in Addis, but that is because to get any work done that is where you have to be. We also spent time in Diri Dawa and on the southern border where the Sudanese refugee camps are. I'm fully aware of the poverty, one can hardly miss it, I'm also aware of the low life expectancy, I've lost friends as I'm sure you have if you've been there too. Don't get angry just because the point of my post was to try and draw attention to the fact that many (not all!) are educated and can cope with modern life.
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...it would never have been there in the first place. Most of us would be embarassed to open up such obvious flaws in our code - peer review would never have let this happen.
Good points:) I'm an ass and the reviews were crap.
...*nix users go on about pipes (and how great they are) at every given chance.
before posting a comment.
The first review actually showed that it didn't work with Corel's own distribution but did with Redhat.
The Gimp has been ported to a bunch of different operating systems, including Win32 (and BeOS is in the works I think).
Having used the Win32 port, I would say that it would probably drag an NT server down in seconds under this kind of load. Although that might just be because of the GTK (which isn't an issue here).
...sometimes doesn't give the words you want.
I'm not entirely sure that I understand you're post but here we go...
Wasn't it a bad thing when Microsoft decided that people needed the latest version of Explorer to access and run some of their software?
Yes, but only if that software (whatever it was) did not actually need one of the components. You're point is like saying "it's wrong to distribute X application because it requires Y library".
Now Netscape doesn't want Mozilla to be just a browser but a set of tools - and have applications written specifically for and requiring Mozilla.
Yes, Mozilla does require Mozilla - this doesn't even make sense.
You can (and probably should) be writing most of your app in a compilable language. AFAIK the very high level UI stuff is javascript and XML, the actual workings are in compiled form.
Can you imagine a browser written entirely in perl?
...assuming you can build a convincing enough trap so you can learn how they work.
Possibly this is a way to do it, but surely the time would be better spent on the more mundane sysadmin task of securing your system.
If you haven't already, then you should give the book a try. It's great.
... everyone Wake Up from your nice, cumfy beds and watch some lights in the sky. I dont want to speak for anyone, but it sounds like a lot of hubub over nothing.
I agree, what's the point in having a real life, when you can sit on your arse pretending?
Anyone else notice any odd occurances with your electronic gadgets?
Our NT print server hasn't crashed this morning.
Does that count?
crappy old P133 with the majority of its components broken and no net connection.
I use a 486 66 at home to run linux - not a problem, in fact if you are using the machine to learn about linux then it is better, IMHO, to use a low-powered machine as it will prevent you from being distracted by fancy GUIs.
Oh, please, please, please, tell me - it's too long ago and t.v. and drink have destroyed my memory.
Haven't RedHat et al proven that OSS has the attraction to draw service contracts from companies specifically designed around this premise? If there were a truly "Enterprise" database which was open source there would be companies willing to service it - there's probably as much money it that as there is offering support on operating systems.
If there are any technical reasons to use VB instead of Delphi ... I'd be interested to hear them.
There aren't!
By definition, anything put together by a novice in an afternoon would not be professional. Professional code should documented and maintainable, handle errors and weird input in some fashion other than choking and/or providing security holes and should have at least some thought towards performance.
This is just not true of many working environments. I am a professional programmer and analyst, I am not a novice. I use VB because the time it takes to create a basic front end is sooo much faster than anything else. Being professional is about choosing the right tools for the right purpuse and spending the appropriate amount of time on the right things. In most offices VB is the right tool.
However, that point aside I must agree with you regarding the comparison with PHP and ColdFusion. Although I was familiar with VB beforehand I still found PHP a damn site easier and faster and nicer to code in than VBScript which does virtually nothing out of the box. I dream of the day everyone uses PHP.
It ruins the effect quite a lot when you can see the walls wobbling
Yes, but Dr. Who and Blake's 7 still entertain more than some of the blander sci-fi offerings (with larger budgets).
Besides, BBC still manages to create some amazing effects-based stuff like the recent programme on Dinosaurs and Gormangast(ly) - the latter being IMO boring but impressive visually.
(Sorry, don't take me too seriously with that rant.)
ditto
Duh, he was obviously talking about the letter X.
Most of the time you can use Z (xenophobia == zenophobia) and for other cases just spell it out (ecksray and eckscrement).
With only 25 letters in the english alphabet there would be more time left to teach our children useful stuff like how to troll slashdot.
And the glass container can be used as a cup-with-a-lid after you have finished it's chocolaty-goodness.
You're quite right, I was out of order with that first line, sorry. I just re-read the thread: I think I didn't read you're post thoroughly enough - my back was already up with previous posts.
While I agree that to open up the java platform would be of huge benefit to SUN in the long run, I feel I ought to point out that the decision to release the browser may not be their call.
IIRC when it was still called netbeans the browser was bought-in technology (I think it was call "ice browser") and if that is still the case then the OS zealot should be complaining about another company.
We should be encouraging SUN rather than flaming them. Stop complaining that a company wants to make money or is "jumping on the band wagon" - that is what companies do FULL STOP.
Thankyou, this is just about the first sensible comment on this subject.
People, you must be careful of your governments behaviour. Just shrugging your shoulders is irresponsible and symptomatic of taking democracy for granted.
Oooh! I'm glad you've been there, and I'm glad you know so much. My comment was aimed at people who have the South Park image of Ethiopians. Yes we spent most of our time in Addis, but that is because to get any work done that is where you have to be. We also spent time in Diri Dawa and on the southern border where the Sudanese refugee camps are. I'm fully aware of the poverty, one can hardly miss it, I'm also aware of the low life expectancy, I've lost friends as I'm sure you have if you've been there too.
Don't get angry just because the point of my post was to try and draw attention to the fact that many (not all!) are educated and can cope with modern life.
For a very superficial look at PostgreSQL vs InterBase try this. Taken from the interbase link above.