True, I didn't bother to fill out any of my user info. However if you bothered to go look at the other posts I made you would know full well who I am. I didn't try to hide it. Take a look and feel free to email me if you think I'm lying.
I find the charity you're prepared to extend to Mr Calle pins my implausibility meter.
I find equally unnerving your inability to accept the possibility that Hannibal was wrong. I suppose the fact that ALI said they were bringing the Aladdin TNT2 has less creedence than the writings of a person who went to Comdex to see a lot of things and spent (maybe) an hour at the booth in question? Unfortunately I wasn't one of the ones who went to Comdex (though I love Vegas), but I saw pictures of the setup. In the pictures I can see signs for the Aladdin TNT2. If he could've spent an hour there and not seen them, I think that he may need to have his eyesight checked.
There's little room for doubt that Calle's actions were deliberate dishonesty rather than accidental omission.
If you had read my other writings on this matter (since you went to the trouble to check on their existance), you would see that I don't deny that I think some of Rick's actions were wrong. However I also take issue with Hannibal's notion of journalism. He was also wrong for not checking the facts before writing a story, and for refusing to check them even after being contacted about it.
Once again the point is avoided - if Hannibal posting emails was a sin (and I doubt it), the dishonor he brought would be only upon himself. Your marketing guy faked imflamatory postings, even attacking the guy personally (claiming he lied about the fragging, for example).
Where exactly did I avoid the point? I thought I was pretty clear in stating that what he did was wrong.
In addition I also brought up the other points, including the email part. I never said posting private emails was a sin, but it is frowned upon. What about the other things I brought up, or are you going to avoid those? Did Hannibal use poor judgement in publishing things without doing his homework? How about spitting out performance numbers for a TNT2 AIB when the discussion is about lower priced, and lower performance integrated chipsets?
Hanno asked to hear *my view* on the *actual matter*. And you've heard it. In case you're partly blind, I'll repeat it. What he did was wrong.
This dishonor rests upon the company he was representing when he took these actions, and the real question is what will ArtX do about it?
There is no question that his behavior reflects on the company as a whole. As director of marketing he is one of our representatives. However in case you are asking *me* what ArtX will do about it, I don't know the answer, and couldn't give it if I did. I'm not a representative of the company, so a can't (and *don't*) speak for them. I'm just a peon engineer. Hanno asked to hear the opinion of someone who worked there so I gave it.
"Believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on." - Box of Rain, Hunter
*my view* (and mine alone) is that Rick handled the situation poorly. A well worded forum post giving details on the setup at Comdex in the ALI booth, and signed by him, would have gone very far in clearing up the misconceptions about what was there. 2 of the 4 machines hooked up for deathmatch were running with the integrated Aladdin TNT2 chipset. 2 were running with the Aladdin 7.
The fact that Hannibal failed to even notice the existence of the TNT2's bothers me as well. As does his refusal to believe that TNT2's were there, or do any checking into the matter with another source. 2/3 of the article talks about the email exchange (noone has bitched about him taking private email and publicizing it yet).
It is far too easy to pick on a marketing person trying to discuss technical details. 2 paragraphs about the LCD information. So in his email Rick mixed up refresh with persistence. That was an unfortunate mistake. You should try watching a DVD movie on one of those screens and you will see the persistence problem.
Fast forward to another couple paragraphs discussing the performance of a TNT2 AIB, which is, of course, completely irrelevant when discussing an integrated chipset. (which is what the other 2 machines had, the Aladdin TNT)
This is followed up by a couple paragraphs discussing whether or not someone was fragged. This really could've been an honest mistake.
In the end, I think that intentionally posting the anonymous messages to the forum was wrong. Nothing said in the email exchange was wrong however. I also think that Hannibal's refusal to accept the possibility of his own mistake was wrong, as was the lack of any attempt to find out what was really shown at Comdex. (Is a trip to the ALI web site so hard?) If you are going to write about something and publish it, you should at least expend some effort to make sure that what you are writing about is the truth.
And yes, I do work at ArtX, though this email is not at all an official company position. I prefer my non-work-related email at home(eric@ericscott.net).
If you take the time to look at them, you'll see that ALI was showing both the Artx chip and a TNT2 based chip in the same booth. This is precisely what has been denied by the person giving his thoughts on the booth. In fact he states that he was at the booth for an *hour* and the word TNT was never mentioned. Seeing as one of the 3 products there was called the 'Aladdin TNT,' I find this hard to believe.
There is no denying that Rick Calle screwed up. He should have posted a note to the discussion list pointing out the facts of what was actually shown at the booth and provided proof(such as the URLs above). He should have posted this and put his name and email address at the bottom. He didn't, and that was a mistake. Unfortunately he seemed in a rush to counter some potentially incorrect information that was out there about his company and it's product.
I think we all need to ask ourselves what would happen if we had just released something and someone started talking about in a negative way, *and* it appears that the person may not have even been looking at the product in question? What if I were talking about some new Linux distribution that looked remarkably like Windows98, and performed just as poorly? (And it turned out to actually have been Windows98, but I was *mistaken* in believing that it was Linux?)
The original reviewer was not just some guy posting on a forum about his experience at comdex. He's one of the operators of website. He's a knowledgeable computer professional and is now in grad school at Harvard. His website's integrity is at stake when he recounts his experience at Comdex, so if he says the Aladin TNT wasn't there, I believe the Aladin TNT wasn't there. Ok, if it will make you feel better, here are some links you can visit:
ALI/nVidia press release about their combined TNT2/nortbridge chipset: http://www.ali.com.tw/eng/news/sep99b.htm
ALI/ArtX press release about their combined gfx/northbridge chipset: http://www.ali.com.tw/eng/news/nov99a.htm
ALI advance info about what they are showing at Comdex: http://www.ali.com.tw/eng/news/nov99b.htm
Note that in the last one they say: It is that time of the year again for Comdex Fall, considered one of the largest computer exhibitions in the world. As usual, Acer Laboratories, Inc. (ALi), the world's leading integrated circuit solution provider, is joining the exhibition. Aside from the recently introduced Aladdin 7, Socket 7's graphics integration system chipset, the company will also exhibits Aladdin TNT2, graphics integration system chipset for Slot1/Socket 370, as well as MPEG-2 decode and DVD channel control total solution for DVD-ROM and DVD player.
Pretty clearly states they showed a TNT2 chipset there as well doesn't it?
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True, I didn't bother to fill out any of my user info. However if you bothered to go look at the other posts I made you would know full well who I am. I didn't try to hide it. Take a look and feel free to email me if you think I'm lying.
Read this for my thoughts on the matter.
I find the charity you're prepared to extend to Mr Calle pins my implausibility meter.
I find equally unnerving your inability to accept the possibility that Hannibal was wrong. I suppose the fact that ALI said they were bringing the Aladdin TNT2 has less creedence than the writings of a person who went to Comdex to see a lot of things and spent (maybe) an hour at the booth in question? Unfortunately I wasn't one of the ones who went to Comdex (though I love Vegas), but I saw pictures of the setup. In the pictures I can see signs for the Aladdin TNT2. If he could've spent an hour there and not seen them, I think that he may need to have his eyesight checked.
There's little room for doubt that Calle's actions were deliberate dishonesty rather than accidental omission.
If you had read my other writings on this matter (since you went to the trouble to check on their existance), you would see that I don't deny that I think some of Rick's actions were wrong. However I also take issue with Hannibal's notion of journalism. He was also wrong for not checking the facts before writing a story, and for refusing to check them even after being contacted about it.
Where exactly did I avoid the point? I thought I was pretty clear in stating that what he did was wrong.
In addition I also brought up the other points, including the email part. I never said posting private emails was a sin, but it is frowned upon. What about the other things I brought up, or are you going to avoid those? Did Hannibal use poor judgement in publishing things without doing his homework? How about spitting out performance numbers for a TNT2 AIB when the discussion is about lower priced, and lower performance integrated chipsets?
Hanno asked to hear *my view* on the *actual matter*. And you've heard it. In case you're partly blind, I'll repeat it. What he did was wrong.
This dishonor rests upon the company he was representing when he took these actions, and the real question is what will ArtX do about it?
There is no question that his behavior reflects on the company as a whole. As director of marketing he is one of our representatives. However in case you are asking *me* what ArtX will do about it, I don't know the answer, and couldn't give it if I did. I'm not a representative of the company, so a can't (and *don't*) speak for them. I'm just a peon engineer. Hanno asked to hear the opinion of someone who worked there so I gave it.
"Believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on." - Box of Rain, Hunter
The fact that Hannibal failed to even notice the existence of the TNT2's bothers me as well. As does his refusal to believe that TNT2's were there, or do any checking into the matter with another source. 2/3 of the article talks about the email exchange (noone has bitched about him taking private email and publicizing it yet).
It is far too easy to pick on a marketing person trying to discuss technical details. 2 paragraphs about the LCD information. So in his email Rick mixed up refresh with persistence. That was an unfortunate mistake. You should try watching a DVD movie on one of those screens and you will see the persistence problem.
Fast forward to another couple paragraphs discussing the performance of a TNT2 AIB, which is, of course, completely irrelevant when discussing an integrated chipset. (which is what the other 2 machines had, the Aladdin TNT)
This is followed up by a couple paragraphs discussing whether or not someone was fragged. This really could've been an honest mistake.
In the end, I think that intentionally posting the anonymous messages to the forum was wrong. Nothing said in the email exchange was wrong however. I also think that Hannibal's refusal to accept the possibility of his own mistake was wrong, as was the lack of any attempt to find out what was really shown at Comdex. (Is a trip to the ALI web site so hard?) If you are going to write about something and publish it, you should at least expend some effort to make sure that what you are writing about is the truth.
And yes, I do work at ArtX, though this email is not at all an official company position. I prefer my non-work-related email at home(eric@ericscott.net).
ALI press release on their comdex booth
ALI/Artx press release on the Aladdin 7
ALI/nVidia press release on the Aladdin TNT
If you take the time to look at them, you'll see that ALI was showing both the Artx chip and a TNT2 based chip in the same booth. This is precisely what has been denied by the person giving his thoughts on the booth. In fact he states that he was at the booth for an *hour* and the word TNT was never mentioned. Seeing as one of the 3 products there was called the 'Aladdin TNT,' I find this hard to believe.
There is no denying that Rick Calle screwed up. He should have posted a note to the discussion list pointing out the facts of what was actually shown at the booth and provided proof(such as the URLs above). He should have posted this and put his name and email address at the bottom. He didn't, and that was a mistake. Unfortunately he seemed in a rush to counter some potentially incorrect information that was out there about his company and it's product.
I think we all need to ask ourselves what would happen if we had just released something and someone started talking about in a negative way, *and* it appears that the person may not have even been looking at the product in question? What if I were talking about some new Linux distribution that looked remarkably like Windows98, and performed just as poorly? (And it turned out to actually have been Windows98, but I was *mistaken* in believing that it was Linux?)
ALI/nVidia press release about their combined TNT2/nortbridge chipset: http://www.ali.com.tw/eng/news/sep99b.htm
ALI/ArtX press release about their combined gfx/northbridge chipset: http://www.ali.com.tw/eng/news/nov99a.htm
ALI advance info about what they are showing at Comdex: http://www.ali.com.tw/eng/news/nov99b.htm
Note that in the last one they say: It is that time of the year again for Comdex Fall, considered one of the largest computer exhibitions in the world. As usual, Acer Laboratories, Inc. (ALi), the world's leading integrated circuit solution provider, is joining the exhibition. Aside from the recently introduced Aladdin 7, Socket 7's graphics integration system chipset, the company will also exhibits Aladdin TNT2, graphics integration system chipset for Slot1/Socket 370, as well as MPEG-2 decode and DVD channel control total solution for DVD-ROM and DVD player.
Pretty clearly states they showed a TNT2 chipset there as well doesn't it?