my friend sent me this link and asked me to comment. sadly, most of what i have read on these posts is inaccurate information. So much so, i'm experiencing palpitations!!;) But truely it's impossible to blame anyone for this as the information one can find on the matter is, well, just a mish mash of ****sh**t from badly researched articles, biased documentaries and people pumping out information based on a polar opposite agenda of helping save this poor little planet earth, which is what this is all about RIGHT???!! RIGHT????!!!! Sigh~ and can we do it without getting down each other's throats??!
So, in all good conscience, here's my moment to write this below (I'm really trying to finally get on with my album so need to stay calm and peaceful and kind of stuff for a little while) and suggest that if you are interested in knowing more about what the hydrogen issue entails from people who are actually doing it instead of just passing around random **llock*, please, please visit our website we have made about fuel cells, hydrogen, waste and all things good, green and TRUE about how we can shift out of this crazy matrix of centralised power into the distributed generation, co-op owned, clean, cheap energy paradigm. The address is http://www.cenergie.com/ (my brother and i made it based on what our father's company Cenergie does so it's informative but hopefully also a fun place to learn). As for credentials, we made those London Hydrogen Taxi Cabs that ferried bewildered mp's around Marble Arch in 2000:: yup the one and only ones- one of which incidentally was just stolen from a car park in central London- and ODDLY enough, the police can't find it! So if anyone has seen a cab with ZERO - Emission Vehicle on it, then can you email us please??) Anyway, if any of you remember them, yes, they ran on hydrogen and they worked all that long time ago! Back then the company was called Zetek and was the largest fuel cell company in Europe (until september 11th killed us. - a long story, albeit interesting). We have since reemerged as Cenergie, have survived so far though death threats from russians (they have a nice defamation site against us where you can see phallic rock art etc) total disregard by the UK government yadah yadah, to create a completely new type of fuel cell technology for STATIONARY power with pennies to the pound.
So, anyway, what i want to get across to you peeps, is that it's not a matter of whether hydrogen is bad, or a fuel or not, it's about WHERE YOU GET IT, HOW YOU USE IT AND WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THOSE THINGS.
For example one way NOT to get it, is by extracting hydrogen from hydro-carbons as that means you are using oil to get the hydrogen. Asides from it being the most expensive way to get it, it is ecologically and socially damaging, so it is absolutely correct to say that it is not worth the expense and externalities it takes to get it. Furthermore, one example of how NOT to use it is for combustion, which by the laws of thermodynamics, will never yield an justifiable efficiency, at least when compared with one of the ways TO use use, notably electro-chemically with a hydrogen fuel cell. And that would have to be an energetically efficient and ecologically friendly fuel cell. So, for that, we have developed the Cenergie fuel cell, a zero-emission (all it makes is electricity and pure water), 90% recyclable, no noble metal, mass manufacturable and cheap electricity GENERATING technology (THIS IS NOT A BATTERY, no fuel cell is.
So, on to how TO get Hydrogen within the constraints of what is efficient and ecological. Well, seeing as it is the most abundant, simplest, number 1 element in our known universe, you'd think you could get it just about anywhere, and that is true. Incidentally the cheapest way, albeit only one of the viable ways, is by getting it out of TRASH via Pyrolysis (or Plasma Arc and the likes).
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my friend sent me this link and asked me to comment. sadly, most of what i have read on these posts is inaccurate information. So much so, i'm experiencing palpitations!! ;) But truely it's impossible to blame anyone for this as the information one can find on the matter is, well, just a mish mash of ****sh**t from badly researched articles, biased documentaries and people pumping out information based on a polar opposite agenda of helping save this poor little planet earth, which is what this is all about RIGHT???!! RIGHT????!!!! Sigh~ and can we do it without getting down each other's throats??!
So, in all good conscience, here's my moment to write this below (I'm really trying to finally get on with my album so need to stay calm and peaceful and kind of stuff for a little while) and suggest that if you are interested in knowing more about what the hydrogen issue entails from people who are actually doing it instead of just passing around random **llock*, please, please visit our website we have made about fuel cells, hydrogen, waste and all things good, green and TRUE about how we can shift out of this crazy matrix of centralised power into the distributed generation, co-op owned, clean, cheap energy paradigm. The address is http://www.cenergie.com/ (my brother and i made it based on what our father's company Cenergie does so it's informative but hopefully also a fun place to learn). As for credentials, we made those London Hydrogen Taxi Cabs that ferried bewildered mp's around Marble Arch in 2000:: yup the one and only ones- one of which incidentally was just stolen from a car park in central London- and ODDLY enough, the police can't find it! So if anyone has seen a cab with ZERO - Emission Vehicle on it, then can you email us please??) Anyway, if any of you remember them, yes, they ran on hydrogen and they worked all that long time ago! Back then the company was called Zetek and was the largest fuel cell company in Europe (until september 11th killed us. - a long story, albeit interesting). We have since reemerged as Cenergie, have survived so far though death threats from russians (they have a nice defamation site against us where you can see phallic rock art etc) total disregard by the UK government yadah yadah, to create a completely new type of fuel cell technology for STATIONARY power with pennies to the pound.
So, anyway, what i want to get across to you peeps, is that it's not a matter of whether hydrogen is bad, or a fuel or not, it's about WHERE YOU GET IT, HOW YOU USE IT AND WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THOSE THINGS.
For example one way NOT to get it, is by extracting hydrogen from hydro-carbons as that means you are using oil to get the hydrogen. Asides from it being the most expensive way to get it, it is ecologically and socially damaging, so it is absolutely correct to say that it is not worth the expense and externalities it takes to get it. Furthermore, one example of how NOT to use it is for combustion, which by the laws of thermodynamics, will never yield an justifiable efficiency, at least when compared with one of the ways TO use use, notably electro-chemically with a hydrogen fuel cell. And that would have to be an energetically efficient and ecologically friendly fuel cell. So, for that, we have developed the Cenergie fuel cell, a zero-emission (all it makes is electricity and pure water), 90% recyclable, no noble metal, mass manufacturable and cheap electricity GENERATING technology (THIS IS NOT A BATTERY, no fuel cell is.
So, on to how TO get Hydrogen within the constraints of what is efficient and ecological. Well, seeing as it is the most abundant, simplest, number 1 element in our known universe, you'd think you could get it just about anywhere, and that is true. Incidentally the cheapest way, albeit only one of the viable ways, is by getting it out of TRASH via Pyrolysis (or Plasma Arc and the likes).
And yes, with the current technologies, this