I don't think you should've got a -1 but there you go.
But if you can't see why using undocumented API calls gives an application vendor an advantage when they control the API then I don't trust your judgement.
Vendors claim that undocumented calls remain undocumented because they are a contract between OS and App and they reserve the right to break that contract later on. Just like they did when they tried to kill DrDos.
I'll concede that the "massive" part of my assertion was perhaps a little overstated but I stand by my position.
esp. as it got me some karma and I wasn't really trying.:) .oO0Oo.
Do you have *any* experience of the gaming industry? and esp. MMORPG's? or even Diablo?
They've all been plagued with launch issues affecting availability and the like. I was part of the AO Beta, even after downloading the 500Mb game you had to download a patch to get it working!
Now I'm not defending shoddy practice but if I'm going to invest $65 in a game that should immerse me I think I'm going to do a bit of research first.
You wouldn't just read an online review, walk down the car showroom, plonk down $30k for a car and then wonder what went wrong.
In our country if you get something home and it doesn't work yuo can take it back to the shop and get a refund. If you a really having problems then visit your local Trading Standards Office or write to the Office of Fair Trading.
One would think that after thousands of years of retail trade the lessons learned might have filtered down to you by now. .oO0Oo.
Microsoft finally noticed that not a day has gone by since 1996 (or earlier) without some zealot calling repeatedly for Bill Gates' head on a platter
would that be since the launch of Win95 with them squeezing DrDos & Novell and at the same time delivering Content to my desktop without me asking (AOL et. al).
Forcing the Microsoft TAX on OEMs
Hiden API bullshit giving massive advantage to the Office Suite.
etc. etc.
Or maybe it started when they screwed IBM over in the OS/2 mess.
Or maybe it started when Bill used his mothers influence at IBM and his Dad's money to pitch a product they hadn't written yet at big blue.
You don't hear of people making a distinction between "the letter of the program" and "the spirit of the program,"
I'm not trying to contradict but I find it interesting.
The source code is the 'spririt' of the program. Variable name & function name choice & comments should convey this spirit. The legislators (compiler & linkers) turn the spirit into the letter. When a program fails it is passed to a higher power (the user) for adjudication. If the user can't sort it out s/he can pass it up a level (local guru). And so on until it reaches the supreme power, the author.
or it's "hidden" win2k version
\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
for instance when you press the search button in IE5.01 it goes to the site
ie.search.msn.com
and asks for a language specific page
so add a line [with the correct IP] to hosts
192.168.1.1 ie.search.msn.com
and pop a virtual host in your apache httpd.conf for ie.search.msn.com
This way you can then quickly customize the search tab for the whole network.
Smart tags will use their own URL so you can happily roll your own. I doubt I'll ever war3z^H^H^H^H^H buy XP (depends on games:( )
but that would be my solution .oO0Oo.
you don't need a kick ass mainframe you just need a good distributed OS.
try plan9 where no user programs run AT ALL on the file server. CPU servers can be added anywhere on the network and used by anybody who's allowed. Yesterday's files are read only on the WORM.
Unix & Windows both had security ADDED to the model and so kludge the matter.
Oh, you're a super user, here : read, write or delete anything you like, kill a few processes too while you're at it.
That's a lot of power for an 8 digit password. .oO0Oo.
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I don't think you should've got a -1 but there you go.
:)
.oO0Oo.
But if you can't see why using undocumented API calls gives an application vendor an advantage when they control the API then I don't trust your judgement.
Vendors claim that undocumented calls remain undocumented because they are a contract between OS and App and they reserve the right to break that contract later on. Just like they did when they tried to kill DrDos.
I'll concede that the "massive" part of my assertion was perhaps a little overstated but I stand by my position.
esp. as it got me some karma and I wasn't really trying.
try this book :
.oO0Oo.
The Microsoft File by Wendy Goldman Rohm
or this one
Undocumented Windows by A Schulman
or this one
Unauthorized Windows 95 by Andrew Schulman
or this one :
Undocumented Windows NT, by Prasad Dabak, Sandeep Phadke, and Milind Borate
example chapter
Here's a whole bookstore making money from undocumented Windows API calls :
http://www.sonic.net/~undoc/bookstore.html
what something online?
try here http://www.vbworld.com/api/shelldoc/
a password cracking utility that uses Win32 undocumented api calls to display the currently logged user's password
API: Access/Office and AddressOf Operator
some more software
is that enough yet ?
Do you have *any* experience of the gaming industry? and esp. MMORPG's? or even Diablo?
.oO0Oo.
They've all been plagued with launch issues affecting availability and the like. I was part of the AO Beta, even after downloading the 500Mb game you had to download a patch to get it working!
Now I'm not defending shoddy practice but if I'm going to invest $65 in a game that should immerse me I think I'm going to do a bit of research first.
You wouldn't just read an online review, walk down the car showroom, plonk down $30k for a car and then wonder what went wrong.
In our country if you get something home and it doesn't work yuo can take it back to the shop and get a refund. If you a really having problems then visit your local Trading Standards Office or write to the Office of Fair Trading.
One would think that after thousands of years of retail trade the lessons learned might have filtered down to you by now.
Microsoft finally noticed that not a day has gone by since 1996 (or earlier) without some zealot calling repeatedly for Bill Gates' head on a platter
.oO0Oo.
would that be since the launch of Win95 with them squeezing DrDos & Novell and at the same time delivering Content to my desktop without me asking (AOL et. al).
Forcing the Microsoft TAX on OEMs
Hiden API bullshit giving massive advantage to the Office Suite.
etc. etc.
Or maybe it started when they screwed IBM over in the OS/2 mess.
Or maybe it started when Bill used his mothers influence at IBM and his Dad's money to pitch a product they hadn't written yet at big blue.
etc. etc.
hahaha I never knew that.
.oO0Oo.
I've never seen it promoted in the UK but I'm too busy working to watch much TV so maybe I missed it
Those tv people are so totally predictable
Maybe I should become a TV consultant.
Usually when a show starts doing this sort of thing, it hits the spin-off zone.
.oO0Oo.
The three geeks would probably make good candidates (despite being terrible characatures).
maybe she's off to do more pvc clad spreads for FHM - great
well sorry but dna isn't converted into anything
.oO0Oo.
it's not source code, it's parameters
surely you mean "the network is thr storage device"
.oO0Oo.
that ought to screw them for life
.oO0Oo.
that ought to screw them for life
.oO0Oo.
that ought to screw them for life
.oO0Oo.
How about making them program in java bytecode
.oO0Oo.
The first assembler I learned was 6502 when I was 12 and at the time many of my peers typed them in in hex!
.oO0Oo.
My CS course taught it in year 1 term 1 (I'd known it for 8 years by then)
There are hundreds of processors and machine instructions sets and emulators to go with them.
x86 protected mode wouldn't be the ideal starting point1
I'd argue that unless you understand assembly, you don't fully know how registers work.
.oO0Oo.
If you don't understand logic circuits you cannot understand fully know assembler.
If you don't understand transistors you cannot fully understand logic circuits.
If you don't understand chemistry & physics you cannot fully understand transisitors.
If you don't understand quantum theory you cannot understand physics & chemistry.
If you don't understand mathematics you can't understand any of 'em!
If portscans are outlawed, then the overall security of your site receives additional protection
.oO0Oo.
hmm, bad thinking.
I don't leave my doors unlocked thinking "burglary is illegal so I'm safe"
You don't hear of people making a distinction between "the letter of the program" and "the spirit of the program,"
.oO0Oo.
I'm not trying to contradict but I find it interesting.
The source code is the 'spririt' of the program. Variable name & function name choice & comments should convey this spirit. The legislators (compiler & linkers) turn the spirit into the letter. When a program fails it is passed to a higher power (the user) for adjudication. If the user can't sort it out s/he can pass it up a level (local guru). And so on until it reaches the supreme power, the author.
I've been trying to download the iso all day!
.oO0Oo.
or it's "hidden" win2k version
:( )
.oO0Oo.
\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
for instance when you press the search button in IE5.01 it goes to the site
ie.search.msn.com
and asks for a language specific page
so add a line [with the correct IP] to hosts
192.168.1.1 ie.search.msn.com
and pop a virtual host in your apache httpd.conf for ie.search.msn.com
This way you can then quickly customize the search tab for the whole network.
Smart tags will use their own URL so you can happily roll your own. I doubt I'll ever war3z^H^H^H^H^H buy XP (depends on games
but that would be my solution
i did a /var/mail/* > passwords.txt
.oO0Oo.
#grep password
on our server once. It took a while so I went home leaving it running. Got a call later :
"The mail server has stopped working"
Of course the disk was full!
I never did find an Adult Pass in all that shit
they were cracked because of human error when a re-transmitted message had a mistake in it because one of the wheels wasn't turned.
.oO0Oo.
From that small error an insight was gained and off you go
you don't need a kick ass mainframe you just need a good distributed OS.
.oO0Oo.
try plan9 where no user programs run AT ALL on the file server. CPU servers can be added anywhere on the network and used by anybody who's allowed. Yesterday's files are read only on the WORM.
Unix & Windows both had security ADDED to the model and so kludge the matter.
Oh, you're a super user, here : read, write or delete anything you like, kill a few processes too while you're at it.
That's a lot of power for an 8 digit password.
surely you cuold download the Source to mozilla from sourceForge and change it yourself
.oO0Oo.
Ideally, computers should serve humans.
.oO0Oo.
They can only do it in the same way a guitar serves humanity.
You rely on infallable humans writing the software.
only market forces over a period of time can do that
.oO0Oo.
only if you think economic success is the only success.
try here5 02 26&cid=113
.oO0Oo.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/05/22/14