Good points, but since it's a movie I'm willing to go with the plausible reasons rather than tear it apart. They're all possible-enough to make the movie work with continuity from the first 3.
Yeah, I hear ya. I'm not trying to tear it apart really. I wouldn't have spent this much time thinking about it if I didn't like it.
I'm just saying that if I was in charge of the last few survivors of the human race, or if I was a super intelligent self-aware computer network, of if I was a writer I may have handled a few things a little bit differently. But I'm not and I probably wouldn't have done nearly as well as any of them, so I have to make due with insane ramblings on a nerd web site.
1) How do you know Skynet still has nukes left? Maybe it thought using them all at once in the initial attack would be more effective? Maybe they had technology/resources Skynet wanted to capture rather than completely obliterate?
Skynet used a nuke on them at the very beginning of the movie and wiped out all the raiders and knocked Connor's helicopter out of the sky.
2) In T3 Skynet helped to create itself. It could have contained data on what future Reese would send back, or it could have gotten access to the police files from when he was arrested in T1. Biometrics don't change significantly with age, especially if you can guess an approximate age.
True, but then why not just kill Kyle at first site? If capturing Kyle was bait, John Connor still would've gone to the base to try to rescue him if he had just believed he was still alive. Skynet should have brought him back to base and shot him.
4)The only motorcycle I recall needing gas wasn't a Terminator based one, but either way it's possible it was an old military project (gas based) that Skynet re-purposed without changing the engines out.
I'm pretty sure I remember hearing those terminator motorcycles having gas engines. I'll take a closer look next time I see it.
5) She served as the voice of reason, much like John did in T2. Also, how would have found the base without meeting someone who knew where it was?
Marcus could have been picked up by a patrol of humans or rescued from an attack the same way that Kyle Reese found him and them brought back to the base. Her voice of reason was just stupid and annoyed the shit out of me.
6)Apparently it wasn't able to do so very well. It was implied that there were areas they didn't want to go, like near the surface. It's possible the resistance had damaged the network a bit in the decade+ after the nukes.
I'm no nuclear submarine technician, but I would imagine it takes an insane amount of time, technical ability, and resources to keep a submarine operational. Probably better off hiding in a bunker.
7)The only transmissions using non-military equipment were not calls to attack, but more motivational or trying to stop an attack. It's possible they were encrypted to a series of relays, so Skynet couldn't locate the original source of the transmission. I'm sure they had encrypted military equipment, given the jets and copters they had taken over as well.
But why would skynet allow those motivational broadcasts over the standard AM/FM airways? Just copy John Connor's voice and use it against them as a sort of Tokyo Rose... They can obviously fake voices. The terminators do it in every movie. "This is John Connor. Everyone stay in your caves. The machines are unstoppable. They torture everyone they find and there's nothing we can do to move on the surface undetected."
8)It'd make sense that since it was easy for a Terminator to take out, it was done as a one-off since John would recognize a T-800 already anyway. He grew up around them.
Plus, with the human heart it wasn't very strong. It was implied they were still trying to master the T-800's flesh, so this was probably just a stopgap with a 'weaker' model that would at least work.
Yeah, maybe they are that much weaker. Even building a model that didn't need a heart and was just pure robot with plastic skin seems like it'd be more believable from a distance. But you're right... if they're that much weaker than the T-800 then there's no reason to mass produce them.
I totally forgot about parts 9 and 10. You're right.
Ah yes, you're right. I forgot that they were broadcasting it from the sub. I thought the HK was somehow locking onto their communications broadcast. Also forgot about Marcus deactivating the defenses.
This was not the Terminator post-Judgment Day movie we've been waiting for. The story is pretty silly. Lots of holes in the plot and general storyline. Yet... I still really liked it. It looked cool. It had ass kicking. This is another chapter in a collection of stories involving time travel, super evil artificial intelligence, killer robots that have real human skin, Austrian accents, and prefer dark sunglasses. So just get over it all and have fun.
If you go in expecting a T2 style action movie with a pretty deep complicated story that makes you think about fate, time travel, and where our technology is headed, you'll be disappointed. If you go in expecting a fun sci-fi action movie with killer robots, then you'll probably like it. They didn't fill the screen with tons of obvious cartoon style CGI so it was really pretty damn cool.
I've always wanted to see the story about John Connor and some straggling nuclear annihilation survivors crawling out of the bunkers a couple of years later. I want to see them organizing, arguing over who's in charge, discovering bad ass killer robots are patrolling the planet, then finding new ways to destroy, disable, and sneak around the robots, spread the word to survivors, and stay hidden so that Skynet doesn't just drop another nuclear bomb on them. This is not that movie.
This one is a few years past all that.
*********NOW FOR SOME FUN, NIT-PICKING NOTES WITH SPOILERS FOR NERDS TO DISCUSS****************
I enjoyed this movie and I totally forgive it for all of the things below. But it's still fun to discuss. I'm just sayin'
The resistance all seemed to have their shit together way more than I would've imagined. Things sure looked better than they did in the glimpses of the future we've seen before. But maybe that's just because those scenes were another 10 years or so in future future so Skynet hasn't really had time to start cranking out advanced robots by the millions yet.
1) The resistance has an air force? Well, I can see how it's easier to maintain some A-10s and Hueys rather than F22s and Apaches. But wouldn't skynet just drop a nuclear bomb on any airport that was launching attacks and patrols?
2) How does Skynet know who Kyle Reese is? At that point, he's just some starving teenager. If Skynet does know Kyle Reese, why doesn't it just kill him on first site?
3) Why would Skynet bother capturing people and transporting them back to a base instead of just killing them? Maybe they'll answer this one in the next movie.
4) Why are all these robots using nuclear and battery power while the terminator motorcycles are on gas engines?
5) Moon Bloodgood's character has no place in this movie. The story would've been just fine without her. Marcus could have escaped somehow on his own to advance the story. "I looked into his eyes and saw a man." HE'S AN INFILTRATOR TERMINATOR YOU STUPID FUCKING TWAT! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE???? Sure she turned out to be right, but that's not the point.
6) The resistance can maintain a submarine and hide it from an ocean-wide network of active and passive sonars?
7) Why doesn't Skynet just triangulate John Connor's pirate radio broadcast signals? Why not jam those signals or better yet, fake his voice and give out false information?
8) If Skynet can build the Marcus style robot in 2018, why bother building the Arnold model? Even if interfacing the human organs into the robot was some kind of one-time thing that Skynet couldn't duplicate, the robot body was still pretty bad ass. It was much more advanced than the Arnold model.
9) Marcus and John Connor just happen to have the same blood type and whatever other biological compatibilities they need? It was touching and all, but the story would've been fine without that ending.
10) Whatever happened with the whole Skynet signal jamming thing?
11) How were they able to get past Skynet's defenses and airlift out all the prisoners?
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Yeah, but they're probably USB 4.0. Wouldn't you be more surprised to see a computer WITHOUT a USB port of some kind?
Good points, but since it's a movie I'm willing to go with the plausible reasons rather than tear it apart. They're all possible-enough to make the movie work with continuity from the first 3.
Yeah, I hear ya. I'm not trying to tear it apart really. I wouldn't have spent this much time thinking about it if I didn't like it. I'm just saying that if I was in charge of the last few survivors of the human race, or if I was a super intelligent self-aware computer network, of if I was a writer I may have handled a few things a little bit differently. But I'm not and I probably wouldn't have done nearly as well as any of them, so I have to make due with insane ramblings on a nerd web site.
1) How do you know Skynet still has nukes left? Maybe it thought using them all at once in the initial attack would be more effective? Maybe they had technology/resources Skynet wanted to capture rather than completely obliterate?
Skynet used a nuke on them at the very beginning of the movie and wiped out all the raiders and knocked Connor's helicopter out of the sky.
2) In T3 Skynet helped to create itself. It could have contained data on what future Reese would send back, or it could have gotten access to the police files from when he was arrested in T1. Biometrics don't change significantly with age, especially if you can guess an approximate age.
True, but then why not just kill Kyle at first site? If capturing Kyle was bait, John Connor still would've gone to the base to try to rescue him if he had just believed he was still alive. Skynet should have brought him back to base and shot him.
4)The only motorcycle I recall needing gas wasn't a Terminator based one, but either way it's possible it was an old military project (gas based) that Skynet re-purposed without changing the engines out.
I'm pretty sure I remember hearing those terminator motorcycles having gas engines. I'll take a closer look next time I see it.
5) She served as the voice of reason, much like John did in T2. Also, how would have found the base without meeting someone who knew where it was?
Marcus could have been picked up by a patrol of humans or rescued from an attack the same way that Kyle Reese found him and them brought back to the base. Her voice of reason was just stupid and annoyed the shit out of me.
6)Apparently it wasn't able to do so very well. It was implied that there were areas they didn't want to go, like near the surface. It's possible the resistance had damaged the network a bit in the decade+ after the nukes.
I'm no nuclear submarine technician, but I would imagine it takes an insane amount of time, technical ability, and resources to keep a submarine operational. Probably better off hiding in a bunker.
7)The only transmissions using non-military equipment were not calls to attack, but more motivational or trying to stop an attack. It's possible they were encrypted to a series of relays, so Skynet couldn't locate the original source of the transmission. I'm sure they had encrypted military equipment, given the jets and copters they had taken over as well.
But why would skynet allow those motivational broadcasts over the standard AM/FM airways? Just copy John Connor's voice and use it against them as a sort of Tokyo Rose... They can obviously fake voices. The terminators do it in every movie. "This is John Connor. Everyone stay in your caves. The machines are unstoppable. They torture everyone they find and there's nothing we can do to move on the surface undetected."
8)It'd make sense that since it was easy for a Terminator to take out, it was done as a one-off since John would recognize a T-800 already anyway. He grew up around them. Plus, with the human heart it wasn't very strong. It was implied they were still trying to master the T-800's flesh, so this was probably just a stopgap with a 'weaker' model that would at least work.
Yeah, maybe they are that much weaker. Even building a model that didn't need a heart and was just pure robot with plastic skin seems like it'd be more believable from a distance. But you're right... if they're that much weaker than the T-800 then there's no reason to mass produce them.
I totally forgot about parts 9 and 10. You're right.
Ah yes, you're right. I forgot that they were broadcasting it from the sub. I thought the HK was somehow locking onto their communications broadcast. Also forgot about Marcus deactivating the defenses.
This was not the Terminator post-Judgment Day movie we've been waiting for. The story is pretty silly. Lots of holes in the plot and general storyline. Yet... I still really liked it. It looked cool. It had ass kicking. This is another chapter in a collection of stories involving time travel, super evil artificial intelligence, killer robots that have real human skin, Austrian accents, and prefer dark sunglasses. So just get over it all and have fun.
If you go in expecting a T2 style action movie with a pretty deep complicated story that makes you think about fate, time travel, and where our technology is headed, you'll be disappointed. If you go in expecting a fun sci-fi action movie with killer robots, then you'll probably like it. They didn't fill the screen with tons of obvious cartoon style CGI so it was really pretty damn cool.
I've always wanted to see the story about John Connor and some straggling nuclear annihilation survivors crawling out of the bunkers a couple of years later. I want to see them organizing, arguing over who's in charge, discovering bad ass killer robots are patrolling the planet, then finding new ways to destroy, disable, and sneak around the robots, spread the word to survivors, and stay hidden so that Skynet doesn't just drop another nuclear bomb on them. This is not that movie.
This one is a few years past all that.
*********NOW FOR SOME FUN, NIT-PICKING NOTES WITH SPOILERS FOR NERDS TO DISCUSS****************
I enjoyed this movie and I totally forgive it for all of the things below. But it's still fun to discuss. I'm just sayin'
The resistance all seemed to have their shit together way more than I would've imagined. Things sure looked better than they did in the glimpses of the future we've seen before. But maybe that's just because those scenes were another 10 years or so in future future so Skynet hasn't really had time to start cranking out advanced robots by the millions yet.
1) The resistance has an air force? Well, I can see how it's easier to maintain some A-10s and Hueys rather than F22s and Apaches. But wouldn't skynet just drop a nuclear bomb on any airport that was launching attacks and patrols?
2) How does Skynet know who Kyle Reese is? At that point, he's just some starving teenager. If Skynet does know Kyle Reese, why doesn't it just kill him on first site?
3) Why would Skynet bother capturing people and transporting them back to a base instead of just killing them? Maybe they'll answer this one in the next movie.
4) Why are all these robots using nuclear and battery power while the terminator motorcycles are on gas engines?
5) Moon Bloodgood's character has no place in this movie. The story would've been just fine without her. Marcus could have escaped somehow on his own to advance the story. "I looked into his eyes and saw a man." HE'S AN INFILTRATOR TERMINATOR YOU STUPID FUCKING TWAT! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE???? Sure she turned out to be right, but that's not the point.
6) The resistance can maintain a submarine and hide it from an ocean-wide network of active and passive sonars?
7) Why doesn't Skynet just triangulate John Connor's pirate radio broadcast signals? Why not jam those signals or better yet, fake his voice and give out false information?
8) If Skynet can build the Marcus style robot in 2018, why bother building the Arnold model? Even if interfacing the human organs into the robot was some kind of one-time thing that Skynet couldn't duplicate, the robot body was still pretty bad ass. It was much more advanced than the Arnold model.
9) Marcus and John Connor just happen to have the same blood type and whatever other biological compatibilities they need? It was touching and all, but the story would've been fine without that ending.
10) Whatever happened with the whole Skynet signal jamming thing?
11) How were they able to get past Skynet's defenses and airlift out all the prisoners?