The Led Zepplin analogy doesn't fit. Thats a _real_ band from before the music industry went to total crap.
Oh give me a fucking break. Just because you can't be bothered to look beyond the top 40 to find anything "good" doesn't mean that good music isn't out there and being distributed by the cartel. I like Brave Combo (Rock/Polka band). Most of their stuff has been on Rounder Records. Guess what? Rounder is an RIAA member. I like Bill Laswell (on SubRosa and related labels), Jack Dangers/Meat Beat Manifesto and most of the artists at Tino Corp, and while I haven't checked, I'd be really surprised if they weren't also distributed by the majors.
There IS good music out there and some portion of it IS controlled by the cartel. What are we supposed to do about it? That's the goddamn point the parent was trying to make.
Sun's driver spec is freely available, go scratch your itch. You don't have to have an open source kernel for people to be able to write frickin' drivers.
Because of course nothing Sun is doing now is any good, right?
Give us all a break. When the team captain is ready to call it quits, Sun will call it quits. Until then, outsiders don't know jack shit about what Sun is planning and doing and should keep their mouths shut.
Except that Valenti's position on most of that stuff is that the people who want to do it for benign reasons are a miniscule minority of those who would abuse the loophole. That's way too big a discussion for a 10 minute interview. I didn't think it looked like personal attacks at all--he said "you claimed we'd have the ability to do this 4 years ago, where is it?" and Valenti's reply was "I don't know", and clearly he was concerned about this lack and the inconsistency in his own case.
What is up with bad mouthing Linux as a server to try to push their slowaris?
Let's think hard about this. Sun has invested a decade of engineering effort into Solaris. And you think it would be reasonable to just say "ok, we're done. Let's only sell/support Linux!" ???
Regardless of your own opinion of the relative technical merits, you've got to be kidding to expect anything else.
I think Sun could be a good company and a strong member of the Open Source community if they got a new leader.
I think that the day Scott leaves the company will fall apart. I see more fault with middle management than I do with anyone at either extreme.
It is corporate games like this that offend Linux community members.
Given the number of community members who have proven time and again that they're actively looking for something to be offended by, I can't say I think Sun should be too worried about that.
Honestly. This looks like yet another case of "I don't want to like Sun, let's find some reasons to be offended." Which isn't to say Sun doesn't have places where it's stumbled and made bad moves and bad decisions, but to paint Sun as anti-OSS is laughable.
So what if it's less idealistic? It's still a contribution, and spitting on people who make contributions (which appears to happen far too often in the OSS world), whatever the motivation, doesn't really encourage more contribution.
As for insanity, as soon as I see Linux scaling on the big iron the way Solaris does, I'll be happy to admit it. Until then, for those who want big iron, Solaris is far and away the best. Yes, I know, big iron isn't the solution to all or even most problems, but for those where it is, Linux doesn't really compete. You may want to hyperbolize Sun's argument down to "anything with more than one processor" but if that were really Sun's true position, there wouldn't be 2 CPU V65's etc. And honestly, I would be really surprised if there weren't at least 4 CPU x86 boxes somewhere down the line.
Perhaps if you didn't have an obvious axe to grind, you'd have some credibility to pretend you knew where I am coming from. Hint: my job has nada to do with spreadsheets.
Firing execs who made bad decisions (something I wholeheartedly agree should be done) has no bearing one way or another to your original statement: " If they have no loyality to their own employees, what makes you think they will have any loyality to you?"
That sure sounds like "SUNW should not fire people because doing so is disloyal to them". If that wasn't what you meant, just say instead of redirecting the discussion into "the right cuts".
She's arguing that sun is 'using' the community without being a good neighbor.
And where's the proof? The product isn't called "GNU/Linux/Java Desktop"??? Sun puts plenty back (see the involvement in GNOME for JUST ONE example), and ranting because we didn't stroke the right egos is just stupid.
Right. So it would be loyal to Sun employees for the company to just let itself go out of business, is that your point? Clearly you need to go get some business classes. Here's a quick clue though: if you aren't making profits, all the loyalty in the world isn't going to help keep you in business.
There's plenty of room to argue whether or not Sun is making/going to make the right cuts, but the fact that they need to make cuts should be obvious to anyone.
You mean the way Linux doesn't acknowledge that it has primarily lifted the rc*.d startup methodology from Sun? Or the fact that before Linux came about, the vast majority of the Free Software Foundation's software (and lots of other free/OS Software) was primarily developed on SunOS and Solaris?
If you are so tied up in knots that you absolutely don't want to load any non-GPL drivers in your kernel, it should fall to you to do the requisite investigation. A community website describing the state of affairs might be a good resource for such people, but making the kernel automatically do this for you is ludicrous. Not to mention, let's see, how hard would it be to do at least short term DoS attacks by putting bogus entries into the database? The community responds quickly, but not instantanously.
Some domain hosters provide the same service, through whatever means they might care to use. In particular, I use mydomain, but I'm sure they're not the only ones. This way I don't have to host my own anything, maintain the email service, etc., and anything@whatevermydomainis.com gets forwarded to my real email account, and I can filter out the spammers easily by giving every website or whatever a unique name linked to who they are.
LaTeX is the standard for science and particularly mathematics papers. If the_second_coming is really serious about a career in such, learning LaTeX sooner rather than later will serve them well. Of course, a search on Amazon would have saved a lot of banter on slashdot, but what do you want? Editors who actually filter things?
Interestingly, I just heard a story where someone trying to dup a cheap, no etching or anything CD-R I gave them had trouble with it UNTIL they put a sticker on top. Apparently the media was too thin or some such...
Which was my point. Yes, I know exactly what Photoshop can do, I've been using it for about 8 years. While I'm no fark photoshopper, that's mostly due to time constraints, not familiarity. My point was not that digital was secure, but that film is NOT particularly more secure, just more difficult to work with.
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Oh give me a fucking break. Just because you can't be bothered to look beyond the top 40 to find anything "good" doesn't mean that good music isn't out there and being distributed by the cartel . I like Brave Combo (Rock/Polka band). Most of their stuff has been on Rounder Records. Guess what? Rounder is an RIAA member. I like Bill Laswell (on SubRosa and related labels), Jack Dangers/Meat Beat Manifesto and most of the artists at Tino Corp, and while I haven't checked, I'd be really surprised if they weren't also distributed by the majors.
There IS good music out there and some portion of it IS controlled by the cartel. What are we supposed to do about it? That's the goddamn point the parent was trying to make.
Which is why Sun just settled, right? OH wait! Settling makes them evil too!
Sun's driver spec is freely available, go scratch your itch. You don't have to have an open source kernel for people to be able to write frickin' drivers.
Because of course nothing Sun is doing now is any good, right?
Give us all a break. When the team captain is ready to call it quits, Sun will call it quits. Until then, outsiders don't know jack shit about what Sun is planning and doing and should keep their mouths shut.
My point was that his questions weren't even all that hostile.
Here's one mirror. I think qrpff is clearly an attempt at this, given how utterly unreadable it is.
Except that Valenti's position on most of that stuff is that the people who want to do it for benign reasons are a miniscule minority of those who would abuse the loophole. That's way too big a discussion for a 10 minute interview. I didn't think it looked like personal attacks at all--he said "you claimed we'd have the ability to do this 4 years ago, where is it?" and Valenti's reply was "I don't know", and clearly he was concerned about this lack and the inconsistency in his own case.
Amen brother.
I didn't say Russia wasn't free, just snidely referring to their vast mafia presence.
Besides, in post-Soviet Russia, the songs MegaByte You!
Er....
Let's think hard about this. Sun has invested a decade of engineering effort into Solaris. And you think it would be reasonable to just say "ok, we're done. Let's only sell/support Linux!" ???
Regardless of your own opinion of the relative technical merits, you've got to be kidding to expect anything else.
I think Sun could be a good company and a strong member of the Open Source community if they got a new leader.
I think that the day Scott leaves the company will fall apart. I see more fault with middle management than I do with anyone at either extreme.
It is corporate games like this that offend Linux community members.
Given the number of community members who have proven time and again that they're actively looking for something to be offended by, I can't say I think Sun should be too worried about that.
Honestly. This looks like yet another case of "I don't want to like Sun, let's find some reasons to be offended." Which isn't to say Sun doesn't have places where it's stumbled and made bad moves and bad decisions, but to paint Sun as anti-OSS is laughable.
As for insanity, as soon as I see Linux scaling on the big iron the way Solaris does, I'll be happy to admit it. Until then, for those who want big iron, Solaris is far and away the best. Yes, I know, big iron isn't the solution to all or even most problems, but for those where it is, Linux doesn't really compete. You may want to hyperbolize Sun's argument down to "anything with more than one processor" but if that were really Sun's true position, there wouldn't be 2 CPU V65's etc. And honestly, I would be really surprised if there weren't at least 4 CPU x86 boxes somewhere down the line.
Perhaps if you didn't have an obvious axe to grind, you'd have some credibility to pretend you knew where I am coming from. Hint: my job has nada to do with spreadsheets.
That sure sounds like "SUNW should not fire people because doing so is disloyal to them". If that wasn't what you meant, just say instead of redirecting the discussion into "the right cuts".
Did you read what I wrote? You know, about the right cuts? WTF does that have to do with loyalty to employees?
Try again please.
And where's the proof? The product isn't called "GNU/Linux/Java Desktop"??? Sun puts plenty back (see the involvement in GNOME for JUST ONE example), and ranting because we didn't stroke the right egos is just stupid.
There's plenty of room to argue whether or not Sun is making/going to make the right cuts, but the fact that they need to make cuts should be obvious to anyone.
You mean the way Linux doesn't acknowledge that it has primarily lifted the rc*.d startup methodology from Sun? Or the fact that before Linux came about, the vast majority of the Free Software Foundation's software (and lots of other free/OS Software) was primarily developed on SunOS and Solaris?
Come back when you have a real complaint.
If you are so tied up in knots that you absolutely don't want to load any non-GPL drivers in your kernel, it should fall to you to do the requisite investigation. A community website describing the state of affairs might be a good resource for such people, but making the kernel automatically do this for you is ludicrous. Not to mention, let's see, how hard would it be to do at least short term DoS attacks by putting bogus entries into the database? The community responds quickly, but not instantanously.
Some domain hosters provide the same service, through whatever means they might care to use. In particular, I use mydomain, but I'm sure they're not the only ones. This way I don't have to host my own anything, maintain the email service, etc., and anything@whatevermydomainis.com gets forwarded to my real email account, and I can filter out the spammers easily by giving every website or whatever a unique name linked to who they are.
Obviously the words of someone who didn't look very hard. Why would you expect them to have actually looked at Amazon?
LaTeX is the standard for science and particularly mathematics papers. If the_second_coming is really serious about a career in such, learning LaTeX sooner rather than later will serve them well. Of course, a search on Amazon would have saved a lot of banter on slashdot, but what do you want? Editors who actually filter things?
Interestingly, I just heard a story where someone trying to dup a cheap, no etching or anything CD-R I gave them had trouble with it UNTIL they put a sticker on top. Apparently the media was too thin or some such...
Which was my point. Yes, I know exactly what Photoshop can do, I've been using it for about 8 years. While I'm no fark photoshopper, that's mostly due to time constraints, not familiarity. My point was not that digital was secure, but that film is NOT particularly more secure, just more difficult to work with.