One of the first posts I read was "linsucks" and the poster was complaining that everytime there's an article about linux it's posted on/.
Anyone under the impression that every article posted about linux posted here should really take a look at linuxtoday.com.. Those are the true authoritative collections of Linux articles.:)
Seriously, though, anyone calling Linux "linsucks" is obviously trolling.. If you want to see all the trolls, set your threshhold at - $#moderators, and you're set.
And, yes, I use Solaris and BSD, and even advocate them when they're right for the job. Despite the "linsucks" crowd, not because I'm trying to fit in w/ them.
Actually, RMS called Tim O'Reilly on that one about 6 months or so ago at an Open Source convention. They then decided that RMS wasn't going to be invited back, because he was "a loose cannon"...
I don't personally think there's anything wrong with O'Reilly books. In fact, I got started on Perl with them, and since, it has greatly enhanced my life. Well worth the $30 or so for Learning Perl, IMHO.. And, now that I grasp all of the fundamental concepts, the on-line documentation is far better than any book, O'Reilly or otherwise could ever hope to be. That's the way it is for most any free software.
For my purposes, Windows is nowhere near fit for use. The lack of a desktop pager (multiple desktops), the stability concerns, and priciness of the tools required to really get anything done with it completely rule it out from my perspective.
You seem to have forgotten that the whole point of copyright & patent in the first place were to encourage new development. They were considered a necessary evil to get people to produce new, wondrous things. Since the system has been subverted so badly to accomodate greed, it's having the opposite effect. If it's no longer serving its original purpose, that truly is an issue.
Of course, since it's been going on so long, it's just considered status quo, which people tend to equate with being ok.
Interesting you should mention google.. I was just there for other reasons, and found a post to the linux-kernel list about a program to recreate partition tables..:)
it's 'fixdisktable' at
http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.ht ml
The emmergence of cutting-edge hardware along with the accompanying cutting-edge drivers (for 95/98) happens at such a rapid pace that there's no way Linux could keep up.
Sure there is. The companies can release their own drivers for their cutting edge hardware. Even if they don't contribute it back as source, as in Creative Labs' case, the drivers can still exist. Even in that worst-case, the overwhelming majority of the code *is* Free.
Then there is the last and largest subgroup of the consumer market. I call this group the email-drones. <--snip--> Anyway, back to the point, here is yet another market where Linux will never make any serious inroads. <--snip--> I already get too many calls from them whenever something happens on their machine that they don't understand and I shudder to think about trying to have them add a directory to their PATH or some such over the phone. Once again, Windows wins because it is easy, not because it is the best.
You've really got to cut down on the use of NEVER.:) You're starting to sound like those guys who said that airplanes could never fly. I think the 'ease of use' for these people is just how polished the distro is. Besides, do you find it any easier to try to talk people through fixing windows when it's scrambled itself? Even if reinstalling is the end-all answser, reinstalling an OS by phone proxy has got to be more of a pain than telling someone how to start pico in non-wrap mode.;)
Case in point: I did a phone proxy debian installation with a guy who was completely computer-illiterate. Even though I had to supply a special driver for the network card (it wasn't supported in the standard kernels at the time), emailing it to him to be saved on a floppy and transfered to the Linux box wasn't hard at all. And, it worked the first time, and expectedly.
Remember - the world and it situationas are not static. Just because Linux is for computer literates now doesn't mean that it won't be accessible to most everyone in a few years. It's already managed to make itself much more accessible than Unix has typically been.:)
This guy is obviously twisting truth here in pursuit of an agenda. Last I saw someone do testing of Apache vs. IIS (ZDnet, no less), Apache beat it quite handily in the speed department. And, Apache also serves to answer another of his arguments, namely code bloat. Apache handles this nicely through the use of modules (as does perl..) Don't want that piece of bloat? Ok! It doesn't get loaded at runtime. The gimp is a nice illustration of that, also
Re: Solaris vs. Linux code size/defect ratio, last time I installed Debian, it had *lots* more to it. Of course, in typical Free Software fashion, it's all modularized, so you only get what you ask for. And, I've seen solaris boxes get wedged in X somewhat frequently. kfm even brought a Solaris x86 box here to its knees. It was causing things to go in extreme slow motion, wouldn't die with kill -9, and even survived a switch to single user mode... And nfs was *not* involved. I've never seen that type of thing happen with Linux.
If you've read the article, you should notice that it also includes user-criticism of Emacs, which it's being compared to.
Giving examples with empirical evidence does well to make the point of some of the differences. Besides, it describes shortcomings of Word, as opposed to saying it sucks and leaving it at that.
Why not ask the supermarket for free food, because their "licenses" suck so much. If anything you're a complete ass for making such a big deal out of something that I doubt will have any effect on you, as I seriously doubt you've contributed any code.
Before you attempt to discuss the GPL or the philosophies behind it, you should have a look at this document. The moral opposition expressed there is not one against paying for software, it's against proprietary software.
It's against QT's license to distribute it in a modified fashion. To apply one of the concepts it explains to your statement, if you get food from the store, the store no longer has the food when you leave. This doesn't apply to software.
That said, I'm not a KDE basher. I actually use some KDE apps under WindowMaker. And, I contribute code to and maintain free software, so:P
I sure hope there will be a 1.1.1 maintenance release soon.
I concur. There were a lot of pesky little crash bugs in the 1.0 programs that really got on my nerves. And, a really big crash bug (kfm).. As far as I can tell, there were never any minor maintenance releases clear them up. Now would be a good time to start.:)
This is especially important in light of recent release happenings (not just KDE - Linux 2.2.0, for instance). i.e., when complexity is such that indefinite freeze periods occur and the "during testing" pool of testers is limited. I think the Linux kernel strategy of responsively and constantly maintaining the stable tree is excellent.
I've heard of picky, but this is crazy. If it took you that long to figure it out, then it's a pretty obscure fact and not that *that* unreasonable that they missed it. Everything is a Microsoft conspiracy, right?
Yeah, just like it was a crazy little oversight when IBM created EBCDIC as an attempt to decommotidize the character set. Since the "smart quotes" are listed as a feature, it's painfully obvious they were purposely breaking standards. Besides, why give any benefit of the doubt to someone who repeatedly does this type of thing. "Cross me once, shame on you, cross me twice, shame on me" comes to mind..
I finally got home from work and was able to compile the new version, and it rocks.:) Working EQ (!!), no seggies yet (!!), the gtk file selector works much better, and GPL (!!) I was really pleasantly surprised after compiling to see how much this new version rocks.:) This after expecting to be disappointed reading all of the incessant whining about it. Feh.
I'd noticed a couple days ago that the site had been updated.. Just saw how good the improvements had been today. The categories on the left which allow you to expand/collapse just rock.:)
Regarding its similarities to freshmeat, I think linuxapps.com has always been the more complete of the two, with freshmeat mostly geared toward actively developed and new stuff, w/ user reviews.
Freshmeat's email-notification of version changes and the new interface rock, too, imho.:)
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Anyone under the impression that every article posted about linux posted here should really take a look at linuxtoday.com
Seriously, though, anyone calling Linux "linsucks" is obviously trolling.. If you want to see all the trolls, set your threshhold at - $#moderators, and you're set.
And, yes, I use Solaris and BSD, and even advocate them when they're right for the job. Despite the "linsucks" crowd, not because I'm trying to fit in w/ them.
Actually, RMS called Tim O'Reilly on that one about 6 months or so ago at an Open Source convention. They then decided that RMS wasn't going to be invited back, because he was "a loose cannon" ...
I don't personally think there's anything wrong with O'Reilly books. In fact, I got started on Perl with them, and since, it has greatly enhanced my life. Well worth the $30 or so for Learning Perl, IMHO.. And, now that I grasp all of the fundamental concepts, the on-line documentation is far better than any book, O'Reilly or otherwise could ever hope to be. That's the way it is for most any free software.
For my purposes, Windows is nowhere near fit for use. The lack of a desktop pager (multiple desktops), the stability concerns, and priciness of the tools required to really get anything done with it completely rule it out from my perspective.
You seem to have forgotten that the whole point of copyright & patent in the first place were to encourage new development. They were considered a necessary evil to get people to produce new, wondrous things. Since the system has been subverted so badly to accomodate greed, it's having the opposite effect. If it's no longer serving its original purpose, that truly is an issue.
Of course, since it's been going on so long, it's just considered status quo, which people tend to equate with being ok.
Quoth a blurb on www.tetris.com: Soon you will be able to play Tetris head to head on-line against a neighbor or someone half way around the world!
How many years has xtris been doing this now?
Interesting you should mention google.. I was just there for other reasons, and found a post to the linux-kernel list about a program to recreate partition tables.. :)
t ml
it's 'fixdisktable' at
http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.h
in case anyone is interested!
You've really got to cut down on the use of NEVER.
Case in point: I did a phone proxy debian installation with a guy who was completely computer-illiterate. Even though I had to supply a special driver for the network card (it wasn't supported in the standard kernels at the time), emailing it to him to be saved on a floppy and transfered to the Linux box wasn't hard at all. And, it worked the first time, and expectedly.
Remember - the world and it situationas are not static. Just because Linux is for computer literates now doesn't mean that it won't be accessible to most everyone in a few years. It's already managed to make itself much more accessible than Unix has typically been.
This guy is obviously twisting truth here in pursuit of an agenda. Last I saw someone do testing of Apache vs. IIS (ZDnet, no less), Apache beat it quite handily in the speed department. And, Apache also serves to answer another of his arguments, namely code bloat. Apache handles this nicely through the use of modules (as does perl..) Don't want that piece of bloat? Ok! It doesn't get loaded at runtime. The gimp is a nice illustration of that, also
Re: Solaris vs. Linux code size/defect ratio, last time I installed Debian, it had *lots* more to it. Of course, in typical Free Software fashion, it's all modularized, so you only get what you ask for. And, I've seen solaris boxes get wedged in X somewhat frequently. kfm even brought a Solaris x86 box here to its knees. It was causing things to go in extreme slow motion, wouldn't die with kill -9, and even survived a switch to single user mode... And nfs was *not* involved. I've never seen that type of thing happen with Linux.
The red teletubby, Po says "faggot" when you squeeze it. :) Now, Mr. Fallwell revels to the world why!
If you've read the article, you should notice that it also includes user-criticism of Emacs, which it's being compared to.
Giving examples with empirical evidence does well to make the point of some of the differences. Besides, it describes shortcomings of Word, as opposed to saying it sucks and leaving it at that.
Before you attempt to discuss the GPL or the philosophies behind it, you should have a look at this document. The moral opposition expressed there is not one against paying for software, it's against proprietary software.
It's against QT's license to distribute it in a modified fashion. To apply one of the concepts it explains to your statement, if you get food from the store, the store no longer has the food when you leave. This doesn't apply to software.
That said, I'm not a KDE basher. I actually use some KDE apps under WindowMaker. And, I contribute code to and maintain free software, so
This is especially important in light of recent release happenings (not just KDE - Linux 2.2.0, for instance). i.e., when complexity is such that indefinite freeze periods occur and the "during testing" pool of testers is limited. I think the Linux kernel strategy of responsively and constantly maintaining the stable tree is excellent.
I finally got home from work and was able to compile the new version, and it rocks. :) Working EQ (!!), no seggies yet (!!), the gtk file selector works much better, and GPL (!!) I was really pleasantly surprised after compiling to see how much this new version rocks. :) This after expecting to be disappointed reading all of the incessant whining about it. Feh.
I'd noticed a couple days ago that the site had been updated.. Just saw how good the improvements had been today. The categories on the left which allow you to expand/collapse just rock. :)
:)
Regarding its similarities to freshmeat, I think linuxapps.com has always been the more complete of the two, with freshmeat mostly geared toward actively developed and new stuff, w/ user reviews.
Freshmeat's email-notification of version changes and the new interface rock, too, imho.