Whoa there partner! Slow down a bit!
As I moused over the links they all seemed to be pointing to the same web site.
So I only went here: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/10/global-cooling-again/
Pardon me for not following what appeared to be dupes. Next time you want to debate something, just list the references for the simple folk like myself. The next paragraphs are in regard to this link.
The point you missed was the hysteria this illustrates. Even if the data was found not to be true, people still ran with it and lobbied for certain things because of it. They expected everyone to do something with the information, even if it was bad information. I was making a case for social implications. So you did illustrate that point well.
I'm not arguing data the all. It is what it is. I don't think I've indicated it was anything but. We do disagree on the results of this data and what will be caused if certain trends continue.
we do not have a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does not seem possible to predict climate?" somehow supports your argument. This thoroughly supports my stance. A correllary to this is we can't predict it because we can't model it. We can't model it because we don't understand it. But we sure as hell can conclude that man is changing what we can't model and don't understand. I rest my case. You lose. Thanks for playing.
Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Indeed. I'm not bothered by what you think of my conclusions. So if that means I have my head in the sand by your standards, then it's a damn good thing that what you say doesn't matter.
You're obviously in the majority here as I get modded flamebait and you're modded informative which is group think for others agree with you and disagree with me. Again, not bothered by this. Neither is science and fortunately it never will be.
Also, your link proves my point. It supports what I'm saying. Why did you link with "Not Really"? Why do you say my head is in the sand?
Let me get this straight. You link to something that supports my points, then you imply that what I say is not true which is not what your links indicate, and then you also think I've got my head in the sand? Only on Slashdot. You get modded up for implying you disagree with me, but you don't. I get modded down because I'm in your face about it.
I love this shit. I knew the kooks would come out in force when I wrote that. I'm so amused by the lunacy.
By the way, I'm a pilot, Aerospace Engineer, and Computer Science Engineer. I'm well educated on the environment, weather patterns and changes. I was watching this long before it was a political issue. Don't try to educate me on the science you incompetent, ignorant sheep. You would do well to step away from your little moment in time where you're all caught up in todays fad and actually look at the science and the trend data.
You should also consider data from before the industrial era where mankind was not the cause. The temperature swing was more dramatic. Mankind is not the cause now either. How do you explain the cooling trend in the 70s? You guys are the same tossers who were out there in the 70s claiming the Ice Age was coming, the same alarmists who were warning that everyone would soon burn up because of the ozone hole (which is now smaller, but the hole has always been there) in the 80s, the same losers who warned of the earth overcrowding in the 90s and you're the same zealots who think the Earth is on the brink of disaster if global temperatures rise.
I've got some news for you, Global temperatures can rise quite a bit, and they have in the past and mankind was fine and will continue to be fine. The only way I won't maintain my modest lifestyle is if you dicks take it away with your misplaced lobbying for more oppressive government.
I'm not going to convince you of anything. I know that. But remember this: This fad will pass like all the others. You will be forgotten. There will be some other fad that comes along. Perhaps at that time you'll be a little more open to the realization that there's more to science than politics. I know that because I've participated in science for so long. I'm sorry if I can't buy into this nonsense. Live your life and be happy. Stop worrying about trends that come and go. If you're truly interested in science then study it. Otherwise stay with politics, that way you don't have to prove *anything*.
I've been looking seriously into going solar on my house. I live in Arizona and it costs about $18,000 to $20,000 for the initial installation. You end up with about $4,000 out of pocket once the conversion is done and you've gotten the tax breaks, etc. The process of installation takes about 6 months. I don't have the start up capital to do it.
As soon as I can I'm going to because I'm sick of the high electric bills in the summer. I can do nothing about it because you have to run your air conditioner when it's 115 degrees outside. I'm very energy conscious but I still end up using over 3000 kW-Hours during the worst months. I'm not a greeny either, I just don't like the cost. I long for the day when I don't have to worry about this anymore and I can run whatever appliances I want, whenever I want. As it is now I try to run my vacuum cleaner and laundry on weekend only when the power rate is lower. I would very much like to do things on my schedule and not the power company schedule.
For me solar is about freedom and convenience. I don't give a rip about the environment because I don't think man could destroy it even if he tried. The doomsday people have been wrong for decades, but the earth just keeps on healing itself no matter what the going wisdom is at the time.
Thanks for your honest comments. Your comments about the web model are right on in my humble personal opinion. Also, I agree on the Xbox even though I don't own one and never will.
And you're right, I will come away with an overall abandonment philosophy and letting the MS platform run it's course. I'm glad people like you are doing their part on avoiding any vendor lock in and you're not roped into a zealot attitude while you're doing it.
Bravo on a balanced attitude, which is something I lack at times.
I know the point of this to discuss what happens to Joe-Six-Pack but Best Buy is one of the worst places to Buy *anything*. I tell everyone I know this.
There are resources for consumers that aren't savvy, like Consumer Reports. They will steer people in the right direction on many of these things, be it printers, digital cameras or whatever.
Best Buy has really shoddy business practices. From the ignorant sales people to their warranties to their prices. These losers deserve to go out of business and you're post show they've been at it a long time.
I'm pretty anti-MS, but this can only be a good thing as far as I can tell. So am I and I agree with you. But I've gotten my hopes up before with them. I'm not hopeful anymore. The one interesting thing to watch will be "how they screw this up." I don't believe for a second that they're going to do the right thing as a business strategy. After passing the Acid2 test, how will they leverage market share and vendor lock-in?
I'd bet my ass on it. The only question to figure out is how they're going to do it this time.
is when Microsoft is going to stop the shennannigans and start playing ball with the rest of the world.
When it's no longer profitable to play shenanigans. Which has two fewer 'n's in it, by the way... Firefox has an auto spell checker built right in these days, y'know.
Sorry, I'm on Windows and I don't use Firefox. It's considered a security risk to install software on our systems. I don't have a choice. Windows platforms have no built in spell checker like aspell or ispell. So I'm screwed there. You make too many assumptions.
Can someone tell me when the last time they tried to compete on innovation rather than vendor lock-in?
The XBOX line of products, off the top of my head.
What does this have to do with anything? I don't play games and I never will. Computers are a tool for me to get things done. What about the people who are trying to accomplish a task?
Can someone make the argument that OOXML is all about document protection for the consumer and not about keeping everyone else on the run?
I'm sure someone could make the argument, but it'd be horse shit.
Nothing to add here... *tips hat*
Can someone tell me that Vista was supposed to make everything better for the USER?
You're mistaking Microsoft's users for Microsoft's customers. MS sold Vista to media producers.
Interesting suggestion. I think you're right on.
Can someone tell me why I need DRM in my life?
Want to watch recent release movies?
Not really. In my personal opinion, Hollywood has been unable to put out anything interesting. Movies are generally of low quality now days. I stick mainly with classics or AFIs top 100 list. DRM makes me even less interested, which I didn't think was possible.
Can someone tell me that C# is open and not proprietary? It only runs on one platform, theirs? How is that better than writing natively? The UI is only for IE with.NET? Why would I want Silverlight over Flash?
Hmm, lots of questions! C# is open. The CLR is open.
Microsoft does not provide binaries or CLRs for any other platform than Windows. You are an idiot if you try to deploy anything mission critical on another platform with Mono. Sorry. I've used Mono. It's not ready and it's not needed anyway.
Microsoft's extensions for Win32 are proprietary.
This is my point. The CLR is a ruse.
I've built and run C# code on Mac OS X and Linux.
So have I. Doesn't mean its a good idea.
It's not better than writing natively, of course, but it looks better on paper, just like Java.
Java does have advantages and many of the advantages C# *could* have are not there. You can't just take it and drop it on any box. Mono doesn't count on this. See above. If you're on Windows, don't care and you stay on the Microsoft only products, then developing in C# makes sense because you get memory management, it will run with later Windows versions (for the most part) and you can use some libraries and frameworks, most of which Java has anyway. Native is not very far from C#. Memory management becomes the only real selling point. Any of these solutions will work. I concede this is a matter of opinion on some aspects.
I don't know, what UI? You would want Silverlight over Flash because it's got more accessible developer tools. I couldn't say why you'd want Flash over almost any other solution, though.
I can. Flash is ubiquitous and available to all. I'm not a big Flash fan, but you can't be serious about this? No one is going to use Silverlight. It will quietly die because it adds very little to what's available. But it carries a stigma that Microsoft will somehow mess around with it and create more issues down the road like they have
is when Microsoft is going to stop the shennannigans and start playing ball with the rest of the world.
Can someone tell me when the last time they tried to compete on innovation rather than vendor lock-in?
Can someone make the argument that OOXML is all about document protection for the consumer and not about keeping everyone else on the run?
Can someone tell me that Vista was supposed to make everything better for the USER?
Can someone tell me why I need DRM in my life?
Can someone tell me that C# is open and not proprietary? It only runs on one platform, theirs? How is that better than writing natively? The UI is only for IE with.NET? Why would I want Silverlight over Flash?
Can someone tell me why they took scripting out of the OS?
Can someone explain to me why Steve Ballmer still has a job?
Can someone tell me if they are offering ANYTHING I want? As a user? As a developer?
Can anyone explain what I'm missing here?
I'm sick and tired of them making it unnecessarily difficult to do anything with computers. I know they are a business charged with profitability but is it too much to ask them to solve my problems with real solutions?
Is it too much too ask them to sell me something without a truckload of baggage?
I laughed out loud when I saw this headline. This was one of the funniest headlines I've seen. I just have to add to the noise.
Here's my shot at Microsoft bashing:
Vista sucks so hard I've never used it and I've never seen anyone else use it. I've heard stories about people who have used it but that's about it.
I will say this. There were no lines at the tech shops this time at Midnight at Best Buy like there was with Windows 95. Microsoft did not get the response they were expecting. I think OEMs were caught off guard by this too. They thought hardware sales would go up. The Microsoft execs seemed so wrapped up in this Microsoft release and they were anticipating it so much, that they just couldn't believe it ended up this way. I'm actually having trouble believing it myself.
Personally I think it doesn't matter either way. Hardcore Microsoft types are using XP and will continue. The Mac people will continue on their paths. The people like me will keep using Linux like we always have for the last 12 years. And home users will call people like me up and I'll tell them what I've heard about Vista.
The only person to blame here is Steve Ballmer. He's a loser and he has no vision. Microsoft hasn't really done anything interesting on their own in a long time. They've acquired companies which are intesting but that's about it. This happened to IBM until they reinvented themselves. Microsoft will have to do the same thing. But it'll never happen with Ballmer driving the company into the ground. I think the man hates his customers. As an outsider, that's what it seems like to me.
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Indeed. I'm not bothered by what you think of my conclusions. So if that means I have my head in the sand by your standards, then it's a damn good thing that what you say doesn't matter.
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You're obviously in the majority here as I get modded flamebait and you're modded informative which is group think for others agree with you and disagree with me. Again, not bothered by this. Neither is science and fortunately it never will be.
Also, your link proves my point. It supports what I'm saying. Why did you link with "Not Really"? Why do you say my head is in the sand?
Let me get this straight. You link to something that supports my points, then you imply that what I say is not true which is not what your links indicate, and then you also think I've got my head in the sand? Only on Slashdot. You get modded up for implying you disagree with me, but you don't. I get modded down because I'm in your face about it.
This is a fun place
What's your point here? Mankind destoyed the dinosaurs? We caused the ice age?
The climate is changing? That's a brilliant statement. I agree, the universe is not stagnant.
I'll concede that the doomday people were right about the dinosaurs. If mankind is not careful we might cause their extinction again.
I love this shit. I knew the kooks would come out in force when I wrote that. I'm so amused by the lunacy.
By the way, I'm a pilot, Aerospace Engineer, and Computer Science Engineer. I'm well educated on the environment, weather patterns and changes. I was watching this long before it was a political issue. Don't try to educate me on the science you incompetent, ignorant sheep. You would do well to step away from your little moment in time where you're all caught up in todays fad and actually look at the science and the trend data.
You should also consider data from before the industrial era where mankind was not the cause. The temperature swing was more dramatic. Mankind is not the cause now either. How do you explain the cooling trend in the 70s? You guys are the same tossers who were out there in the 70s claiming the Ice Age was coming, the same alarmists who were warning that everyone would soon burn up because of the ozone hole (which is now smaller, but the hole has always been there) in the 80s, the same losers who warned of the earth overcrowding in the 90s and you're the same zealots who think the Earth is on the brink of disaster if global temperatures rise.
I've got some news for you, Global temperatures can rise quite a bit, and they have in the past and mankind was fine and will continue to be fine. The only way I won't maintain my modest lifestyle is if you dicks take it away with your misplaced lobbying for more oppressive government.
I'm not going to convince you of anything. I know that. But remember this: This fad will pass like all the others. You will be forgotten. There will be some other fad that comes along. Perhaps at that time you'll be a little more open to the realization that there's more to science than politics. I know that because I've participated in science for so long. I'm sorry if I can't buy into this nonsense. Live your life and be happy. Stop worrying about trends that come and go. If you're truly interested in science then study it. Otherwise stay with politics, that way you don't have to prove *anything*.
I've been looking seriously into going solar on my house. I live in Arizona and it costs about $18,000 to $20,000 for the initial installation. You end up with about $4,000 out of pocket once the conversion is done and you've gotten the tax breaks, etc. The process of installation takes about 6 months. I don't have the start up capital to do it.
As soon as I can I'm going to because I'm sick of the high electric bills in the summer. I can do nothing about it because you have to run your air conditioner when it's 115 degrees outside. I'm very energy conscious but I still end up using over 3000 kW-Hours during the worst months. I'm not a greeny either, I just don't like the cost. I long for the day when I don't have to worry about this anymore and I can run whatever appliances I want, whenever I want. As it is now I try to run my vacuum cleaner and laundry on weekend only when the power rate is lower. I would very much like to do things on my schedule and not the power company schedule.
For me solar is about freedom and convenience. I don't give a rip about the environment because I don't think man could destroy it even if he tried. The doomsday people have been wrong for decades, but the earth just keeps on healing itself no matter what the going wisdom is at the time.
Thanks for your honest comments. Your comments about the web model are right on in my humble personal opinion. Also, I agree on the Xbox even though I don't own one and never will. And you're right, I will come away with an overall abandonment philosophy and letting the MS platform run it's course. I'm glad people like you are doing their part on avoiding any vendor lock in and you're not roped into a zealot attitude while you're doing it. Bravo on a balanced attitude, which is something I lack at times.
I know the point of this to discuss what happens to Joe-Six-Pack but Best Buy is one of the worst places to Buy *anything*. I tell everyone I know this. There are resources for consumers that aren't savvy, like Consumer Reports. They will steer people in the right direction on many of these things, be it printers, digital cameras or whatever. Best Buy has really shoddy business practices. From the ignorant sales people to their warranties to their prices. These losers deserve to go out of business and you're post show they've been at it a long time.
There was no clarification needed. Most of us heard you loud and clear.
*cracks knuckles* Ok!
funny.
is when Microsoft is going to stop the shennannigans and start playing ball with the rest of the world. When it's no longer profitable to play shenanigans. Which has two fewer 'n's in it, by the way... Firefox has an auto spell checker built right in these days, y'know.
Sorry, I'm on Windows and I don't use Firefox. It's considered a security risk to install software on our systems. I don't have a choice. Windows platforms have no built in spell checker like aspell or ispell. So I'm screwed there. You make too many assumptions.
Can someone tell me when the last time they tried to compete on innovation rather than vendor lock-in? The XBOX line of products, off the top of my head.
What does this have to do with anything? I don't play games and I never will. Computers are a tool for me to get things done. What about the people who are trying to accomplish a task?
Can someone make the argument that OOXML is all about document protection for the consumer and not about keeping everyone else on the run? I'm sure someone could make the argument, but it'd be horse shit.
Nothing to add here... *tips hat*
Can someone tell me that Vista was supposed to make everything better for the USER? You're mistaking Microsoft's users for Microsoft's customers. MS sold Vista to media producers.
Interesting suggestion. I think you're right on.
Can someone tell me why I need DRM in my life? Want to watch recent release movies?
Not really. In my personal opinion, Hollywood has been unable to put out anything interesting. Movies are generally of low quality now days. I stick mainly with classics or AFIs top 100 list. DRM makes me even less interested, which I didn't think was possible.
Can someone tell me that C# is open and not proprietary? It only runs on one platform, theirs? How is that better than writing natively? The UI is only for IE with .NET? Why would I want Silverlight over Flash?
Hmm, lots of questions! C# is open. The CLR is open.
Microsoft does not provide binaries or CLRs for any other platform than Windows. You are an idiot if you try to deploy anything mission critical on another platform with Mono. Sorry. I've used Mono. It's not ready and it's not needed anyway.
Microsoft's extensions for Win32 are proprietary.
This is my point. The CLR is a ruse.
I've built and run C# code on Mac OS X and Linux.
So have I. Doesn't mean its a good idea.
It's not better than writing natively, of course, but it looks better on paper, just like Java.
Java does have advantages and many of the advantages C# *could* have are not there. You can't just take it and drop it on any box. Mono doesn't count on this. See above. If you're on Windows, don't care and you stay on the Microsoft only products, then developing in C# makes sense because you get memory management, it will run with later Windows versions (for the most part) and you can use some libraries and frameworks, most of which Java has anyway. Native is not very far from C#. Memory management becomes the only real selling point. Any of these solutions will work. I concede this is a matter of opinion on some aspects.
I don't know, what UI? You would want Silverlight over Flash because it's got more accessible developer tools. I couldn't say why you'd want Flash over almost any other solution, though.
I can. Flash is ubiquitous and available to all. I'm not a big Flash fan, but you can't be serious about this? No one is going to use Silverlight. It will quietly die because it adds very little to what's available. But it carries a stigma that Microsoft will somehow mess around with it and create more issues down the road like they have
is when Microsoft is going to stop the shennannigans and start playing ball with the rest of the world.
.NET? Why would I want Silverlight over Flash?
Can someone tell me when the last time they tried to compete on innovation rather than vendor lock-in?
Can someone make the argument that OOXML is all about document protection for the consumer and not about keeping everyone else on the run?
Can someone tell me that Vista was supposed to make everything better for the USER?
Can someone tell me why I need DRM in my life?
Can someone tell me that C# is open and not proprietary? It only runs on one platform, theirs? How is that better than writing natively? The UI is only for IE with
Can someone tell me why they took scripting out of the OS?
Can someone explain to me why Steve Ballmer still has a job?
Can someone tell me if they are offering ANYTHING I want? As a user? As a developer?
Can anyone explain what I'm missing here?
I'm sick and tired of them making it unnecessarily difficult to do anything with computers. I know they are a business charged with profitability but is it too much to ask them to solve my problems with real solutions?
Is it too much too ask them to sell me something without a truckload of baggage?
I guess maybe it is.
I laughed out loud when I saw this headline. This was one of the funniest headlines I've seen. I just have to add to the noise.
Here's my shot at Microsoft bashing:
Vista sucks so hard I've never used it and I've never seen anyone else use it. I've heard stories about people who have used it but that's about it.
I will say this. There were no lines at the tech shops this time at Midnight at Best Buy like there was with Windows 95. Microsoft did not get the response they were expecting. I think OEMs were caught off guard by this too. They thought hardware sales would go up. The Microsoft execs seemed so wrapped up in this Microsoft release and they were anticipating it so much, that they just couldn't believe it ended up this way. I'm actually having trouble believing it myself.
Personally I think it doesn't matter either way. Hardcore Microsoft types are using XP and will continue. The Mac people will continue on their paths. The people like me will keep using Linux like we always have for the last 12 years. And home users will call people like me up and I'll tell them what I've heard about Vista.
The only person to blame here is Steve Ballmer. He's a loser and he has no vision. Microsoft hasn't really done anything interesting on their own in a long time. They've acquired companies which are intesting but that's about it. This happened to IBM until they reinvented themselves. Microsoft will have to do the same thing. But it'll never happen with Ballmer driving the company into the ground. I think the man hates his customers. As an outsider, that's what it seems like to me.