It's about the relevance of the scientific method versus mythology. If you think mythology trumps the scientific method, I have to question your rationality; just which particular way of looking at reality created the technology you used to post your comment?
And a lot of scientists simply "do" science without ever thinking about the philosophy which comes first: is science the ONLY way to attain knowledge?
That's a pretty strong (and misleading) statement, care to back it up?
Oh, and the Pope (as Cardinal Ratzinger) has written hundreds if not thousands of pages on that topic.
On the philosophy of science? Care to point me to one? Especially one that's written with an understanding of what science is? Because I've not ever seen anything of the sort out of any pope, ever. There are people in the Catholic church who understand what science is and what scientists are attempting to do, but I've not ever seen a pope that does, nor, for that matter, any high-ranking official of the Catholic church.
This sounds like the guy's ready to complain no matter what happens.
Irrelevant of whether or not it's true, eh?
Now if the pope had agreed to come to the university and participate in a debate, with all the proceedings televised unedited then I'd say you'd have a point. But that wasn't what the pope wanted, was it? Now, I don't know what you do for a living, but let's just say that someone who already had their own huge forum to preach in, and hundreds of millions of followers who listen to him or her, wanted to come to your workplace or your university and give a speech about his/her own beliefs, and not allow any debate to take place - how would you feel about that?
And especially not in the integrity of the media. I watched a few hours of media candidate talk the other night, and came away with the impression that these people might make great actors, but they sure as hell aren't journalists.
What it proved is that there is a war going on between the extremists on both sides. It's not exactly new, to anyone who's been paying attention during the last four decades(and indeed, anyone who knows any history).
It's still astounding to me that there's so little historical memory here on slashdot. I know there are people here who are considerably older than I am (in my forties) and there are plenty of historical scholars here, but they just don't get modded up, apparently.
Every damned time this issue comes up, there are the same tired old posts.
Yeah, I guess I must be new here. Same old posts, same shit that's been rehashed thousands of times everywhere else, over, and over.
The first and foremost goal of the Islamic Jihadists is to convert the world to their beliefs.
The first and foremost goal of the American capitalists is to convert the world to their beliefs.
.they don't want to convert you...they don't even like you.
The rest of us are in the middle somewhere. More or less. For the most part we just want to live our own lives, have jobs, raise children, find happiness, homes, live as decent moral human beings.
Done on a small scale, predatory lending isn't harmful to the industry (though it is, obviously, harmful to the homeowner.)
But such an idea doesn't scale without having a serious effect on the industry. Doing this too much inflates prices in the short term, then you can't sell the house to make back the money because so many people have defaulted. You've taken your customers and made sure that they won't be customers again for 7 years, at least (length of time that such a black mark can stay on your credit score.)
No offense, but do you see the latent hypocrisy there?
Replace "was" with "is" and "are" and you have the perfect post.
In the last two months I've had four real estate agents lie straight-faced to me about houses they were showing, and when I called them on it they flat out told me to get off of "their" property. One of the houses that was being shown had major structural problems, but the agent showing it to me assured me that it had passed a "city inspection", yet none of the qualified local inspectors had ever heard of the asshole showing it to me, and the structural defects were glaringly obvious to anyone with any experience in the field.
Strangely enough those realtors aren't returning my calls. I wonder why?
These people are state-licensed - at least, that's what they claim. Funny, that. I'm an experienced contractor... from out of state. I guess I failed to mention that to them.
(and yes, I did report them to the local authorities. I had one callback about a week ago, who assured me he'd look into it. After some research I found he used to work for the same local realtor I was dealing with. Not surprising, this is the same shit I was dealing with in the last state I lived in. )
A local city councilperson confided to me not long ago that the city just doesn't have the resources to pursue these people - the agents have better lawyers than the city can afford to hire. Big surprise.
You do mean "the impending" housing crash, yes? It's the 80s all over again, but worse:*(
It doesn't matter what any public figure believes or states publicly in this country anymore, there will always be someone who will find something to fault them on and put spin on. In this case, it's calling another public figure a racist. Easy spin... It's not exactly a new one. I remember it from forty years ago when I was a kid.
The problem isn't really our candidates, it's people who let the arguments go this far and yet KEEP GIVING THEM AMMO TO ARGUE ABOUT.
We're so far down that slippery slope that no amount of rationalizing is going to heal anything.
People arguing like all of you are here are just arguing who should be in command of the sinking ship as the water rises around your ankles.
It disgusts me, and yes, I'm leaving as soon as I can. Go ahead and have your irrelevant adolescent disagreements; the people whose lives you are really fucking up are your kids and grandkids. It's a big planet and others will take your place after the grownups leave. I'm sure the chinese will have no regrets taking all of the property they've bought up, after you're all gone.
Idiots. I used to think it was a wonder the human race survived the nuclear arms race; now I wonder whether or not we'll survive the political spin race.
Obviously he should be paid less than someone like Tiger Woods who benefits thousands of fans per tournament.
Oh pshaw. You're valuing mindless entertainment over a necessity (rain-proof shelter). There's no comparison in any real assessment of what's important.
That's the point - shelter, food, clean water are necessities to existence whereas TW and Spielberg are not.
There are all sorts of idiots on all sides who are intent on destroying what we have, all for their own purposes. Do you honestly think that just because some bunch of clowns associates themselves with one candidate or another that said candidate supports their agendas or ideologies?
This kind of shit happened before, back in the sixties (Nixon particularly). You must be pretty damned young not to remember it.
I'm not a Ron Paul advocate by any means, I disagree with him on a number of points. But it's interesting to see how much bullshit his opponents are disseminating.
That's probably the most accurate statement I've seen in this thread so far (your comment, not the youtube vid, which I did not watch).
Sooner or later, this whole house of cards is going to come tumbling down. Problem is, it's the whole country that built it, not either party, any party, or any individuals in question... but the whole fucking lot of us, every damned voting aged adult.
If there are cases where the ownership cannot be properly determined, then who would administer the property until it can be? One case would be if we opened up new lands in which there were no residents?
Respectfully, but no. Weapons should fall under the defense budget. But add another 50B or so to Energy for nuclear power plants.
We *do* need to maintain at least a small arsenal (perhaps a few hundred nuclear weapons including tactical ones) for defense; or, should I say, potential retaliation capabilities. This could be increased or decreased as time goes by depending on the situation. But that should properly fall under military jurisdiction - I thnk our military has demonstrated that it's responsible enough to handle them. Of course that may change, but we would have to deal with that possibility if and when it arose.
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It's not about specific technologies.
It's about the relevance of the scientific method versus mythology. If you think mythology trumps the scientific method, I have to question your rationality; just which particular way of looking at reality created the technology you used to post your comment?
tic
And a lot of scientists simply "do" science without ever thinking about the philosophy which comes first: is science the ONLY way to attain knowledge?
That's a pretty strong (and misleading) statement, care to back it up?
Oh, and the Pope (as Cardinal Ratzinger) has written hundreds if not thousands of pages on that topic.
On the philosophy of science? Care to point me to one? Especially one that's written with an understanding of what science is? Because I've not ever seen anything of the sort out of any pope, ever. There are people in the Catholic church who understand what science is and what scientists are attempting to do, but I've not ever seen a pope that does, nor, for that matter, any high-ranking official of the Catholic church.
tic
This sounds like the guy's ready to complain no matter what happens.
;()
Irrelevant of whether or not it's true, eh?
Now if the pope had agreed to come to the university and participate in a debate, with all the proceedings televised unedited then I'd say you'd have a point. But that wasn't what the pope wanted, was it? Now, I don't know what you do for a living, but let's just say that someone who already had their own huge forum to preach in, and hundreds of millions of followers who listen to him or her, wanted to come to your workplace or your university and give a speech about his/her own beliefs, and not allow any debate to take place - how would you feel about that?
I'd tell them to go to hell, too.
tic
There's a huge difference between studying a subject like religion and preaching it as a fundamental truth.
tic
And especially not in the integrity of the media. I watched a few hours of media candidate talk the other night, and came away with the impression that these people might make great actors, but they sure as hell aren't journalists.
tic
Not only that, we knew it was going to happen.
(read Richard Clarke's excellent, if badly edited, book "Against All Enemies")
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It did.
;)
What it proved is that there is a war going on between the extremists on both sides. It's not exactly new, to anyone who's been paying attention during the last four decades(and indeed, anyone who knows any history).
It's still astounding to me that there's so little historical memory here on slashdot. I know there are people here who are considerably older than I am (in my forties) and there are plenty of historical scholars here, but they just don't get modded up, apparently.
Every damned time this issue comes up, there are the same tired old posts.
Yeah, I guess I must be new here. Same old posts, same shit that's been rehashed thousands of times everywhere else, over, and over.
Doesn't do much for one's faith in humanity
tic
The first and foremost goal of the American capitalists is to convert the world to their beliefs.
The rest of us are in the middle somewhere. More or less. For the most part we just want to live our own lives, have jobs, raise children, find happiness, homes, live as decent moral human beings.
Questions?
tic
There's an old saying, how ancient enemies come to resemble each other.
tic
You are aware this would mean that the U.S. government would completely collapse within a year, as you vetoed every budget, right?
Since it's going to happen sooner or later, isn't sooner better? And wouldn't it be better if it happened for a good reason?
tic (who has quit wondering after many years whether he's nuts, because he's just plain not in the running anymore)
(Score:0, redundant)
Possibly the most perfect moderation in slashdot history. Kudos!
tic
Yeah, there is.
But in today's US, money trumps sense. So it goes.
tic
Done on a small scale, predatory lending isn't harmful to the industry (though it is, obviously, harmful to the homeowner.)
But such an idea doesn't scale without having a serious effect on the industry. Doing this too much inflates prices in the short term, then you can't sell the house to make back the money because so many people have defaulted. You've taken your customers and made sure that they won't be customers again for 7 years, at least (length of time that such a black mark can stay on your credit score.)
No offense, but do you see the latent hypocrisy there?
tic
Replace "was" with "is" and "are" and you have the perfect post.
:*(
In the last two months I've had four real estate agents lie straight-faced to me about houses they were showing, and when I called them on it they flat out told me to get off of "their" property. One of the houses that was being shown had major structural problems, but the agent showing it to me assured me that it had passed a "city inspection", yet none of the qualified local inspectors had ever heard of the asshole showing it to me, and the structural defects were glaringly obvious to anyone with any experience in the field.
Strangely enough those realtors aren't returning my calls. I wonder why?
These people are state-licensed - at least, that's what they claim. Funny, that. I'm an experienced contractor... from out of state. I guess I failed to mention that to them.
(and yes, I did report them to the local authorities. I had one callback about a week ago, who assured me he'd look into it. After some research I found he used to work for the same local realtor I was dealing with. Not surprising, this is the same shit I was dealing with in the last state I lived in. )
A local city councilperson confided to me not long ago that the city just doesn't have the resources to pursue these people - the agents have better lawyers than the city can afford to hire. Big surprise.
You do mean "the impending" housing crash, yes? It's the 80s all over again, but worse
tic
Isn't that what we have?
Noone said we'd like the results...
tic
The leader of the current administration *is* a monkey (or, at least a descendant of one, despite what some people may claim.)
tic
And we might even have a technological civilization afterwards...
tic
Oh, I agree. I don't know if you remember watching the news hysteria over 3MI, but I do.
tic
It doesn't matter what any public figure believes or states publicly in this country anymore, there will always be someone who will find something to fault them on and put spin on. In this case, it's calling another public figure a racist. Easy spin... It's not exactly a new one. I remember it from forty years ago when I was a kid.
The problem isn't really our candidates, it's people who let the arguments go this far and yet KEEP GIVING THEM AMMO TO ARGUE ABOUT.
We're so far down that slippery slope that no amount of rationalizing is going to heal anything.
People arguing like all of you are here are just arguing who should be in command of the sinking ship as the water rises around your ankles.
It disgusts me, and yes, I'm leaving as soon as I can. Go ahead and have your irrelevant adolescent disagreements; the people whose lives you are really fucking up are your kids and grandkids. It's a big planet and others will take your place after the grownups leave. I'm sure the chinese will have no regrets taking all of the property they've bought up, after you're all gone.
Idiots. I used to think it was a wonder the human race survived the nuclear arms race; now I wonder whether or not we'll survive the political spin race.
tic
Obviously he should be paid less than someone like Tiger Woods who benefits thousands of fans per tournament.
Oh pshaw. You're valuing mindless entertainment over a necessity (rain-proof shelter). There's no comparison in any real assessment of what's important.
That's the point - shelter, food, clean water are necessities to existence whereas TW and Spielberg are not.
What the hell are you kids being taught nowadays?
tic
Jesus. I thought usenet was bad.
There are all sorts of idiots on all sides who are intent on destroying what we have, all for their own purposes. Do you honestly think that just because some bunch of clowns associates themselves with one candidate or another that said candidate supports their agendas or ideologies?
This kind of shit happened before, back in the sixties (Nixon particularly). You must be pretty damned young not to remember it.
I'm not a Ron Paul advocate by any means, I disagree with him on a number of points. But it's interesting to see how much bullshit his opponents are disseminating.
tic
That's probably the most accurate statement I've seen in this thread so far (your comment, not the youtube vid, which I did not watch).
Sooner or later, this whole house of cards is going to come tumbling down. Problem is, it's the whole country that built it, not either party, any party, or any individuals in question... but the whole fucking lot of us, every damned voting aged adult.
tic
If there are cases where the ownership cannot be properly determined, then who would administer the property until it can be? One case would be if we opened up new lands in which there were no residents?
tic
Energy: 100B (includes nuclear weapons)
Respectfully, but no. Weapons should fall under the defense budget. But add another 50B or so to Energy for nuclear power plants.
We *do* need to maintain at least a small arsenal (perhaps a few hundred nuclear weapons including tactical ones) for defense; or, should I say, potential retaliation capabilities. This could be increased or decreased as time goes by depending on the situation. But that should properly fall under military jurisdiction - I thnk our military has demonstrated that it's responsible enough to handle them. Of course that may change, but we would have to deal with that possibility if and when it arose.
tic
Is our politicians learning?
:)
Are our politicians learning?
There, fixed that for you
tic