I wish to aploligise for apparently redistrubiting false information. The information about shoelaces I received from a book on strange facts. The ancidote about finding his house I have heard MANY times by people whom I assumed would know what they were talking about (including my college physics and chemistry teachers). The other facts I received from varrious sources I can no longer remember. I aploigise for not doing further research to verify these facts.
The point I was trying to make however is that people can be wired strange and that the people you most expect to be non-intellegent from watching their actions often are the brightest people around.
DISCLAIMER: This post is my suspision. I have done no research whatsoever. By reading this article you agre not to hold its writer responcible for any possible slander.
Of course it makes a difference, you get the same amount of work done, but it takes longer. Therefore the company can hype longer batterylife, which will make more people buy the product.
Basicly equivelent to working slow because you charge by the hour. Dishonest perhaps, but if it makes a buck go for it!
If a city had free T3's in each house/appartment/parkbench, they'd get 99% of the world's geeks. The other 1% are living in what ever city Linus happens to be living in at the time.
What do you care whether a person uses RedHat and makes a million easy-to-read books to learn Unix? Does the fact that you already know unix, and have come to it quicker than they mean that you have to make being arrogant about it a moral crusade?
I was attempting humor, I realize on reading back through my own post the attempt was an utter failure. I truly do, however, recomend the "Dummies" line of books. They are the best newbie set of books I've come accross. If there is a subject I want to learn about, a for Dummies book is likly my first book. (After that, when I want to be able to do more with it I go o'riley). I have actualy read Linux for Dummies,UNIX for Dummies, and RedHat Linux for Dummies. The series got me started on C, C++, JAVA, and wine as well (No not the program, the red beverage that makes you tipsy)
"Also, there's a great deal of tools whose existence isn't readily apparent."
That is why I included the need for an index of some sort.
"...because I didn't know they existed (cs/cscope and expect immediately come to mind)"
I solved this problem quite neatly. After my reputation as "guru" spread through my community, I was bogged down with questions, as you were. I did the only American thing I could, I started making them pay. I set up a psudo official buesness, (no tax number, oops) and started charging $25/hour for in person tech support. I made over $150 in a day once. True I got questions still, but much less of them, and the ones I did still receive were more likly to be actual problems instead of people wanting inital walkthroughs.
The most usefull tool to veteran UNIX users are probably the ever-present man pages. (Ok, so I once set up a system without them, but that is the exception not the rule) Man pages are complete, concise, and way to technical for most linux newbies to read. However if some brave soul would remake all the man pages to an extent that they would be understood by most newbies, and make a nice little index, I beleive that the newbies wanted to read the manuals themselfs could.
Nothing however will repress the newbies who try to get phone/IRC/YahooChat/email/personal/Psychiatric/etc . help BEFORE they attempt to read any documentation. The only thing that some people will accept is one-on-one walktrhoughs. Others will read documentatin, but only if it is physicaly printed on the pressed pulp of dead trees. These people should go out right now and buy a copy of LINUX FOR DUMMIES, or even better if somewhat redundant REDHAT LINUX FOR DUMMIES.
On a side note, I did not read the article in question. The/. effect had already cripled the site to the point that it wouldn't load on my computer. So if I'm totaly off topic here, you have only yourselves to blame.
apt-get, as has been mentioned, is exponentialy better than the Redhat Package Manager..deb files kick.rpm file's butts. However if you have a RPM package that is not available in.deb format (and don't want to make the.debs yourself) you CAN INSTALL THE REDHAT PACKAGE MANAGER IN DEBIAN. I have the package manager on my Debian Slink system and have used it twice, once to install a RPM to test the installation of the package manager and once to uninstall the same rpm. There are very few packages available as rpm's that arn't available as deb's but if there is one that is crutial to your task, it doesn't make debian a useless distro'
However, if you install from anything but deb files you will NOT get full benifit of debian's dependency magement abilities. You are more likly to install packages that require packages you don't have or to install packages that conflict with existing packages. But then, you have the same problem, only more so, if you don't use debian at all.
(I started with slack, moved on to redhat, tested OpenLinux, tested FreeBSD then found Debian, I've used Debian on all my systems for over two years.)
This reminds me of a story that I came accross while studying the historical figure Vlad Dracula, the role model for Stoker's Dracula.
Dracula was well known for his brutal treatment of theives. One of his prized accoplishments was to have a solid gold cup placed in the market square, he would have it watched and impaled (set on a large sharpened stake from through the anus untill the stake came through the head) anyone who tried to take it.
Did anyone else notice that when the Windows NT review was talking about stability in Windows NT, it mentioned major sites that use NT, including Ebay?
Does everyone else think that is a pretty good example? Ebay is great, but as an example of stability, I'd prefer an airplane with one wing split in half. Or is that just me?
Also, does Ebay even use SSL? I notice that the benchmarks do not neccicarly compare to the examples used in the review.
The person of the century: Couldn't tie his shoelaces Couldn't find his own house, even if he were right in front of it, (he'd knock on a neighbor's door and ask which house was his) Was considered retarded through most of his childhood I on the other hand: Can tie my shoelaces Can find my house so long as I'm on the right street and block Was considered "gifted" through most of my childhood. Strange how things turn out isn't it?
By now most of us agree that Sun is completly within their legal rights to absorb the project. We also agree that it will probably help the Linux community. So why are we all upset?
The way I see it is, we have been the victums of mininformitive news realease. Had the realease stated "O happy Day! Sun going to support Java for Linux!" We would, for the most part, been completly supportive of Sun. However the headlines,/.'s and the refrenced news article's both begin with calling into question the morality of Sun's actions. They have planted the suggustion in our minds that Sun has done a big bad no-no and violated someone's rights. Once that suggustion had been planted they could go ahead and tell what really happened and the truth appears very different when seen under the light of our preconceived notions.
You wrote: "Everything you use today replaced something before it." While I'm not sure if you specificly meant in the computer field or in general, if you mean the latter I have to prove you wrong. The essential design for the toothpick has remained essentialy unchanged since it began.
If you DO mean in the computer field, all I can ask is, anybody else here still use either an abacus or a slide-rule?
I never claimed that China's human right's records was good, I mearly said it was better than the U.S.A.'s. I pointed out the hyprocracy of people who condem a country for human rights violations against criminals, (or in your example dissenters) while they support a government that regularly lets children die for no crime other than being born into poor families. I agree, China has some major problems, but untill we take the plank out of our eye, we cannot remove the speck from our neighbor's.
The Chinese are no longer truly communistic. There is extreme capitalism there, in some ways they have more of a competive economic system than the U.S. of A. What confuses most people into thinking China is still a communistic state is the extreme levels of nationalism in China, individuals willingly act for the good of the state, a communistic ideal, but still strive to attain personal wealth.
Now the real suprise is that the Chineese IMHO have a better human rights record than the U.S. of A. True the chineese will sentence theives to death while we won't. But then we regularly sentence the poor those who cannot afford medical attention to death by not providing them with the care we have the capibility to provide.
It has been said that a sociaty is best judged by how it treats its weakest and most hepless members. In the U.S.A. the numbers of children without medical insurance of any kind is staggering. The number of elderly on the streets is mind-numbing, the number of sick, dieing because they can not afford a life-saving procedure is astounding. The U.S.A. has sentenced all these people to death.
So ask yourself which is a worse violation of human rights: execution of one man for theft, or execution of thousands of children, thousands of elderly, and thousands of sick. Yes,
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I wish to aploligise for apparently redistrubiting false information. The information about shoelaces I received from a book on strange facts. The ancidote about finding his house I have heard MANY times by people whom I assumed would know what they were talking about (including my college physics and chemistry teachers). The other facts I received from varrious sources I can no longer remember. I aploigise for not doing further research to verify these facts.
The point I was trying to make however is that people can be wired strange and that the people you most expect to be non-intellegent from watching their actions often are the brightest people around.
DISCLAIMER: This post is my suspision. I have done no research whatsoever. By reading this article you agre not to hold its writer responcible for any possible slander.
Of course it makes a difference, you get the same amount of work done, but it takes longer. Therefore the company can hype longer batterylife, which will make more people buy the product.
Basicly equivelent to working slow because you charge by the hour. Dishonest perhaps, but if it makes a buck go for it!
If a city had free T3's in each house/appartment/parkbench, they'd get 99% of the world's geeks. The other 1% are living in what ever city Linus happens to be living in at the time.
What do you care whether a person uses RedHat and makes a million easy-to-read books to learn Unix? Does the fact that you already know unix, and have come to it quicker than they mean that you have to make being arrogant about it a moral crusade?
I was attempting humor, I realize on reading back through my own post the attempt was an utter failure. I truly do, however, recomend the "Dummies" line of books. They are the best newbie set of books I've come accross. If there is a subject I want to learn about, a for Dummies book is likly my first book. (After that, when I want to be able to do more with it I go o'riley). I have actualy read Linux for Dummies, UNIX for Dummies, and RedHat Linux for Dummies. The series got me started on C, C++, JAVA, and wine as well (No not the program, the red beverage that makes you tipsy)
"Also, there's a great deal of tools whose existence isn't readily apparent."
That is why I included the need for an index of some sort.
"...because I didn't know they existed (cs/cscope and expect immediately come to mind)"
Um how many Linux Newbies need cs/cscope anyway?
I solved this problem quite neatly. After my reputation as "guru" spread through my community, I was bogged down with questions, as you were. I did the only American thing I could, I started making them pay. I set up a psudo official buesness, (no tax number, oops) and started charging $25/hour for in person tech support. I made over $150 in a day once. True I got questions still, but much less of them, and the ones I did still receive were more likly to be actual problems instead of people wanting inital walkthroughs.
The most usefull tool to veteran UNIX users are probably the ever-present man pages. (Ok, so I once set up a system without them, but that is the exception not the rule) Man pages are complete, concise, and way to technical for most linux newbies to read. However if some brave soul would remake all the man pages to an extent that they would be understood by most newbies, and make a nice little index, I beleive that the newbies wanted to read the manuals themselfs could.
c . help BEFORE they attempt to read any documentation. The only thing that some people will accept is one-on-one walktrhoughs. Others will read documentatin, but only if it is physicaly printed on the pressed pulp of dead trees. These people should go out right now and buy a copy of LINUX FOR DUMMIES, or even better if somewhat redundant REDHAT LINUX FOR DUMMIES.
/. effect had already cripled the site to the point that it wouldn't load on my computer. So if I'm totaly off topic here, you have only yourselves to blame.
Nothing however will repress the newbies who try to get phone/IRC/YahooChat/email/personal/Psychiatric/et
On a side note, I did not read the article in question. The
apt-get, as has been mentioned, is exponentialy better than the Redhat Package Manager. .deb files kick .rpm file's butts. However if you have a RPM package that is not available in .deb format (and don't want to make the .debs yourself) you CAN INSTALL THE REDHAT PACKAGE MANAGER IN DEBIAN. I have the package manager on my Debian Slink system and have used it twice, once to install a RPM to test the installation of the package manager and once to uninstall the same rpm. There are very few packages available as rpm's that arn't available as deb's but if there is one that is crutial to your task, it doesn't make debian a useless distro'
However, if you install from anything but deb files you will NOT get full benifit of debian's dependency magement abilities. You are more likly to install packages that require packages you don't have or to install packages that conflict with existing packages. But then, you have the same problem, only more so, if you don't use debian at all.
(I started with slack, moved on to redhat, tested OpenLinux, tested FreeBSD then found Debian, I've used Debian on all my systems for over two years.)
This reminds me of a story that I came accross while studying the historical figure Vlad Dracula, the role model for Stoker's Dracula.
Dracula was well known for his brutal treatment of theives. One of his prized accoplishments was to have a solid gold cup placed in the market square, he would have it watched and impaled (set on a large sharpened stake from through the anus untill the stake came through the head) anyone who tried to take it.
Sound about like these guys?
Did anyone else notice that when the Windows NT review was talking about stability in Windows NT, it mentioned major sites that use NT, including Ebay?
Does everyone else think that is a pretty good example? Ebay is great, but as an example of stability, I'd prefer an airplane with one wing split in half. Or is that just me?
Also, does Ebay even use SSL? I notice that the benchmarks do not neccicarly compare to the examples used in the review.
The person of the century: Couldn't tie his shoelaces Couldn't find his own house, even if he were right in front of it, (he'd knock on a neighbor's door and ask which house was his) Was considered retarded through most of his childhood I on the other hand: Can tie my shoelaces Can find my house so long as I'm on the right street and block Was considered "gifted" through most of my childhood. Strange how things turn out isn't it?
By now most of us agree that Sun is completly within their legal rights to absorb the project. We also agree that it will probably help the Linux community. So why are we all upset?
/.'s and the refrenced news article's both begin with calling into question the morality of Sun's actions. They have planted the suggustion in our minds that Sun has done a big bad no-no and violated someone's rights. Once that suggustion had been planted they could go ahead and tell what really happened and the truth appears very different when seen under the light of our preconceived notions.
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The way I see it is, we have been the victums of mininformitive news realease. Had the realease stated "O happy Day! Sun going to support Java for Linux!" We would, for the most part, been completly supportive of Sun. However the headlines,
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You wrote:
"Everything you use today replaced something before it." While I'm not sure if you specificly meant in the computer field or in general, if you mean the latter I have to prove you wrong. The essential design for the toothpick has remained essentialy unchanged since it began.
If you DO mean in the computer field, all I can ask is, anybody else here still use either an abacus or a slide-rule?
Good point, perhaps I should reinstall MP/M or CP/M on my system...
I never claimed that China's human right's records was good, I mearly said it was better than the U.S.A.'s. I pointed out the hyprocracy of people who condem a country for human rights violations against criminals, (or in your example dissenters) while they support a government that regularly lets children die for no crime other than being born into poor families. I agree, China has some major problems, but untill we take the plank out of our eye, we cannot remove the speck from our neighbor's.
The Chinese are no longer truly communistic. There is extreme capitalism there, in some ways they have more of a competive economic system than the U.S. of A. What confuses most people into thinking China is still a communistic state is the extreme levels of nationalism in China, individuals willingly act for the good of the state, a communistic ideal, but still strive to attain personal wealth.
Now the real suprise is that the Chineese IMHO have a better human rights record than the U.S. of A. True the chineese will sentence theives to death while we won't. But then we regularly sentence the poor those who cannot afford medical attention to death by not providing them with the care we have the capibility to provide.
It has been said that a sociaty is best judged by how it treats its weakest and most hepless members. In the U.S.A. the numbers of children without medical insurance of any kind is staggering. The number of elderly on the streets is mind-numbing, the number of sick, dieing because they can not afford a life-saving procedure is astounding. The U.S.A. has sentenced all these people to death.
So ask yourself which is a worse violation of human rights: execution of one man for theft, or execution of thousands of children, thousands of elderly, and thousands of sick.
Yes,