No Motif for linux? Wah... Re:How netscape did it
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I'm no trying to start a GUI kit flamefest (really, honest officer:) ), but to be honest I can count on the fingers of one hand the applications I've _ever_ used (or even wanted to use) that wanted/needed Motif: the main ones being Nutscrape, DDD (Data Display Debugger if you've not had the fortune to use it), and XEmacs. All three worked with Lesstif. 97% of the GUI programs on my machine run GTK, maybe another 1% each for Qt and the (Xt?Xlib?whatever the primitives libs are for X11) library.
OK, so it's almost 4am (eek!), and my point may not be clear. So what I'm trying to get at is that, my life as a GUI-lovin' linux user isn't hampered much (at all) by not having Motif, and I somehow suspect my situation is a common one in the free unix community.
This is not to knock Motif, I've never written code to it's API so I can't evaluate it on that level. But speaking as a user, there are acceptable (and more widely available) alternatives. Netscape, I think, was wise to go with the flow on this.
The linksys router does port forwarding (arbitrary port(s) to arbitrary internal IP(s)), so you could fire all port 80 traffic at one machine, and let apache virtual host the two based on name, or something like that. One proviso is that, AFAIK, the port forwarding feature requires that the WAN side have a static IP (what it says is no DHCP (presumably on the LAN side), but I haven't figured out a way,if one exists, to let the inside be static while having the router act as a DHCP client (i.e. if you're pulling a DHCP ip for the router, it turns on the DHCP server on the 'other side')).
I don't know what tzo is so I can't comment on that part of your question.
Well, that'd probably depend on the patent and how much time/money I was able to devote to screwing people with it. Profit through litigation, after all, does seem to be a viable business model.;^)
The trinitron moniter is optically flat. That is one of the salient points of it's design. (I have a normal 17" and a trin. 17" here at the house, and trust me, you can see the difference.) This is not to knock Iiyama moniters, they're quite nice too.:^)
Well, come now, does Dubya make anything other than vague noises? The man wouldn't know a firm position if it bit him in the ass.
I've been watching him bumble-fsck his way through the govenership here for a while now praying he doesn't end up occupying any oval-shaped offices. Just my two cents as a Texan and as an American.
(If you think this is a flame then you're goddamn right it is; I despise Bush.)
You're probably right if you go for unrestrained scheduling. But it is true that scheduling for computer time is about that strict on the resources I've been exposed to here at the U. (Mmmm, Cray T3E)
Perhaps if some form of subscription service was implemented to help subsidize the costs and regulate user usage times, this would be more feasible. Something like, "$20/month for x hours of time." And there are plenty of batch scheduler systems out there that can queue your job and run it so you don't have to actually be up at 4am on a MOnday morning... You could probably even write one that emails you the results when it gets done, which would be spiffy. I know I wouldn't mind spending that little to have access to that kind of computing power. Of course, also offering a mechanism to get free or subsidized time for those who can't afford the subscription cost would be neccessary.
Well, in addition to being a computer geek, I love chemistry. Problem is, most chemical simulation software (as opposed to pretty opengl visualization software) is either very expensive or very memory/cpu cycle hungry (model water on your PC, no problem, model a 40,000 carbon biopolymer, watch your Athlon go up in smoke along with your RAM...;^) ), or (very frequently) both.
But if some entity (.gov or.edu) had an open access beowulf with things like NAMD, Gaussian, Molpac, Moldy, (etc etc etc) loaded on it, that would allow the chemically-inclined members of the populace to actually get real data right now instead of having to get a PhD in order to have access to a {Beowulf | Cray | whatever}.
Another option immeadiately presents itself: Massively Parallelized Povray.:^) For making pretty pictures of the molecule you just spent 5,000 cpu-hours modeling. Or 3d renderings of Natalie Portman's ass covered in hot grits, if you want to skip the chemistry bit...
I could of course be smoking der crackenpipen, but I think the stuff I see in the URLs when I visit www.bookpool.com (amazingly cheap prices on computer and tech books, way cheaper than amazon or fatbrain in my experience). I don't know how long they've been around, but I've been shopping there since april of last year. Mike
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I'm no trying to start a GUI kit flamefest (really, honest officer :) ), but to be honest I can count on the fingers of one hand the applications I've _ever_ used (or even wanted to use) that wanted/needed Motif: the main ones being Nutscrape, DDD (Data Display Debugger if you've not had the fortune to use it), and XEmacs. All three worked with Lesstif. 97% of the GUI programs on my machine run GTK, maybe another 1% each for Qt and the (Xt?Xlib?whatever the primitives libs are for X11) library.
OK, so it's almost 4am (eek!), and my point may not be clear. So what I'm trying to get at is that, my life as a GUI-lovin' linux user isn't hampered much (at all) by not having Motif, and I somehow suspect my situation is a common one in the free unix community.
This is not to knock Motif, I've never written code to it's API so I can't evaluate it on that level. But speaking as a user, there are acceptable (and more widely available) alternatives. Netscape, I think, was wise to go with the flow on this.
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The linksys router does port forwarding (arbitrary port(s) to arbitrary internal IP(s)), so you could fire all port 80 traffic at one machine, and let apache virtual host the two based on name, or something like that. One proviso is that, AFAIK, the port forwarding feature requires that the WAN side have a static IP (what it says is no DHCP (presumably on the LAN side), but I haven't figured out a way,if one exists, to let the inside be static while having the router act as a DHCP client (i.e. if you're pulling a DHCP ip for the router, it turns on the DHCP server on the 'other side')).
I don't know what tzo is so I can't comment on that part of your question.
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Well, that'd probably depend on the patent and how much time/money I was able to devote to screwing people with it. Profit through litigation, after all, does seem to be a viable business model. ;^)
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The trinitron moniter is optically flat. That is one of the salient points of it's design. (I have a normal 17" and a trin. 17" here at the house, and trust me, you can see the difference.) This is not to knock Iiyama moniters, they're quite nice too. :^)
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Well, come now, does Dubya make anything other than vague noises? The man wouldn't know a firm position if it bit him in the ass.
I've been watching him bumble-fsck his way through the govenership here for a while now praying he doesn't end up occupying any oval-shaped offices. Just my two cents as a Texan and as an American.
(If you think this is a flame then you're goddamn right it is; I despise Bush.)
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You're probably right if you go for unrestrained scheduling. But it is true that scheduling for computer time is about that strict on the resources I've been exposed to here at the U. (Mmmm, Cray T3E)
Perhaps if some form of subscription service was implemented to help subsidize the costs and regulate user usage times, this would be more feasible. Something like, "$20/month for x hours of time." And there are plenty of batch scheduler systems out there that can queue your job and run it so you don't have to actually be up at 4am on a MOnday morning... You could probably even write one that emails you the results when it gets done, which would be spiffy. I know I wouldn't mind spending that little to have access to that kind of computing power. Of course, also offering a mechanism to get free or subsidized time for those who can't afford the subscription cost would be neccessary.
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Well, in addition to being a computer geek, I love chemistry. Problem is, most chemical simulation software (as opposed to pretty opengl visualization software) is either very expensive or very memory/cpu cycle hungry (model water on your PC, no problem, model a 40,000 carbon biopolymer, watch your Athlon go up in smoke along with your RAM... ;^) ), or (very frequently) both.
But if some entity (.gov or .edu) had an open access beowulf with things like NAMD, Gaussian, Molpac, Moldy, (etc etc etc) loaded on it, that would allow the chemically-inclined members of the populace to actually get real data right now instead of having to get a PhD in order to have access to a {Beowulf | Cray | whatever}.
Another option immeadiately presents itself: Massively Parallelized Povray. :^) For making pretty pictures of the molecule you just spent 5,000 cpu-hours modeling. Or 3d renderings of Natalie Portman's ass covered in hot grits, if you want to skip the chemistry bit...
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