Um, yeah. Section 7.5 needs some rewriting. The procedure as laid out there worked really well twice for one of the FAQ authors, but has not worked as well for some others. Rewrites to fun[AT]velvet.net, please!
Safest method is probably to go to the page with a list of all your files, then restore each thing you want back (mail, bookmarks, etc) to your fresh profile one file at a time. Though I'm loath to write that having not tried it myself.
Accessibility is proving to be a PITA for many reasons. mozilla.org does actually care a lot about it. See the accessibility newsgroup for discussions of the problems so far.
Trust me: no web developer seeing those will want to work without them a moment longer. And that means they will develop in Mozilla/Netscape - using standard HTML and JavaScript - and check in IE6, rather than the other way around.
"Just to clarify though, PNG alpha channels are still fucked and require a work around for IE6 to work properly."
And the gamma is wrong - detect-problems.js will show you the ridiculous effort we had to go to to get a page written to standards to work AT ALL tolerably in IE5 and IE6. As for IE4... forget it.
Something's definitely wrong. Try again with a fresh profile, and for that matter uninstall rc3 and get 1.0-final. You should have PLENTY of machine to run Mozilla beautifully.
Er. Use the Ximian package of Mozilla. If you just whack a mozilla.org tarball over the top, it could mess up Nautilus (see the Faq question on this topic: # 10.14. I use GNOME. I installed Mozilla from a mozilla.org binary, and now Nautilus isn't working properly).
"Mozilla lost my mail. Although, I must admit, it took 5 years to do it, on folders shared by pine, netscape 4.x, netscape 3.x (on hp-ux, no less), and mozilla 0.9.x."
The reason you could share the folders at all was that they were plain-text mbox files. So set up a cron job to do a daily backup of your mail folder to a safe location elsewhere. You won't regret it.
"The problem, here, is not the OS, it is the Ultra 5. Ultra 5s were marketed as low-end workstations when they were first sold, which makes them very-low-end today. Ultra 5s were intended as basic administrator workstations with absolutely no frills. As a counter example, I have a 440MHz UltraSPARC IIi-based workstation with UltraSCSI disk drives, 512MB of RAM, and Solaris 8, and Mozilla/Netscape works beautifully. What I have that the Ultra 5 doesn't is bandwidth."
To make a fast Sun build, use the Sun Forte compiler instead of gcc - being tweaked for the OS and architecture, it does a lot better.
I was speaking from a position of being one of those who worked on said pages. We busted ass not to break IE5, though it did its damnedest to hinder us.
"good idea, but can i ask that you allow download of the components separately? e.g. the browser, mail client etc... that would save me downloading a whole 9mb just to check out the browser."
Dude, you can use the net-installer builds, that's why they're there:-) Install the browser and PSM (so you can get https://), then install the other bits when you want them.
Splash screens are covered in the FAQ.
You can change it easily in Windows - drop a bitmap (any size) called mozilla.bmp in the same folder as mozilla.exe.
Unix/Linux and Mac, unfortunately, still require you to recompile with your own splashscreen to change it.
The memory footprint (and memory leakage) has been going down steadily all year, and the speed has been going up. 1% or 2% a week, here and there, rapidly adds up.
What this means is that Mozilla is actually usable in 64MB now;-)
That's why Netscape 7 is actually noticeably better in both respects than Netscape 6, for instance.
The user newsgroups are listed (with clickable links) in the FAQ.
Note that you MUST be using SSL news (snews://) on port 563. Use Mozilla, Netscape 6/7, Outlook Express or slrn (those are the newsreaders I know of that do SSL news).
"I don't mean to deprecate your efforts, but I think this "Mozilla isn't about producing an end-user product" idea has always been wishful thinking--and is becoming less plausible every day. Mozilla is clearly destined to become the prominent browser in the free software community and the web development community, and a popular browser among computer users at large."
Check out FAQ section 11 for a pile of resources for end users, by the way. And the FAQ itself;-)
"Seems to work fine in IE, regardless of rubbish png support."
Yeah, though in IE6 we needed to use a different tail PNG because IE6 gets the gamma wrong, and IE5's support is so b0rken we just don't put them on the page at all (you'll see a weird slideshow effect).
IE will become the new Netscape 4: the b0rken pizza ship that no-one wants to code for any more, because it's just too painful. I so so so wish we hadn't had to allow for the thing.
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"There is also a bug on it [mozilla.org]. The bug has been marked as INVALID because the powers that be deemed it impossible for Mozilla to crash Win2K."
Er, no. I was the reporter of that bug and I marked it as invalid because it happened to me on one day and hasn't happened since, and I hadn't received confirmation of it happening for others.
I have just reopened the bug and it is now back to 'UNCONFIRMED' because, er, it is so far:-) Out of memory conditions aren't the bug I reported.
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"Why must free software be dependent upon a free compiler? Seriously! Using that argument, nothing written for the MS, Borland or Intel compilers can be free. That's nonsense."
Certainly. However, having a free compiler means you are not tied in to the licencing requirements for generated code of a proprietary compiler. Think of some of the fun requirements Microsoft has been putting into the licence agreements for its development kits of late.
(This sort of behaviour is why a lot of free software projects for Win32 - e.g. Mozilla - are trying desperately to get away from Visual C++ and get their project compiling under gcc, Cygwin or mingw.)
Think of it as the GPL being the Declaration of Independence, and gcc as being the gun that helps you enforce your freedom.
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Safest method is probably to go to the page with a list of all your files, then restore each thing you want back (mail, bookmarks, etc) to your fresh profile one file at a time. Though I'm loath to write that having not tried it myself.
Accessibility is proving to be a PITA for many reasons. mozilla.org does actually care a lot about it. See the accessibility newsgroup for discussions of the problems so far.
We have two secret weapons: 1. The DOM Inspector; 2. The JavaScript Debugger.
Trust me: no web developer seeing those will want to work without them a moment longer. And that means they will develop in Mozilla/Netscape - using standard HTML and JavaScript - and check in IE6, rather than the other way around.
Thus the Lizard recruits!
And the gamma is wrong - detect-problems.js will show you the ridiculous effort we had to go to to get a page written to standards to work AT ALL tolerably in IE5 and IE6. As for IE4 ... forget it.
Something's definitely wrong. Try again with a fresh profile, and for that matter uninstall rc3 and get 1.0-final. You should have PLENTY of machine to run Mozilla beautifully.
DO NOT use the grayrest.com link. Use the plugindoc link. mozdev can take the load, grayrest can't.
Er. Use the Ximian package of Mozilla. If you just whack a mozilla.org tarball over the top, it could mess up Nautilus (see the Faq question on this topic: # 10.14. I use GNOME. I installed Mozilla from a mozilla.org binary, and now Nautilus isn't working properly).
The reason you could share the folders at all was that they were plain-text mbox files. So set up a cron job to do a daily backup of your mail folder to a safe location elsewhere. You won't regret it.
"The problem, here, is not the OS, it is the Ultra 5. Ultra 5s were marketed as low-end workstations when they were first sold, which makes them very-low-end today. Ultra 5s were intended as basic administrator workstations with absolutely no frills. As a counter example, I have a 440MHz UltraSPARC IIi-based workstation with UltraSCSI disk drives, 512MB of RAM, and Solaris 8, and Mozilla/Netscape works beautifully. What I have that the Ultra 5 doesn't is bandwidth."
To make a fast Sun build, use the Sun Forte compiler instead of gcc - being tweaked for the OS and architecture, it does a lot better.
Of course, they're fine in Konqueror and Opera.
Really. IE5 is SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT.
We are. On #mozilla ;-)
Gecko ain't that big. The Windows dll widget is about 4 meg. For comparison, the IE dll widget is about 10 meg. And Gecko is actually faster.
Dude, you can use the net-installer builds, that's why they're there :-) Install the browser and PSM (so you can get https://), then install the other bits when you want them.
NOTE: you can't start the profile manager unless Mozilla is fully shut down.
Unix/Linux and Mac, unfortunately, still require you to recompile with your own splashscreen to change it.
What this means is that Mozilla is actually usable in 64MB now ;-)
That's why Netscape 7 is actually noticeably better in both respects than Netscape 6, for instance.
Note that you MUST be using SSL news (snews://) on port 563. Use Mozilla, Netscape 6/7, Outlook Express or slrn (those are the newsreaders I know of that do SSL news).
(No, I don't know why.)
Check out FAQ section 11 for a pile of resources for end users, by the way. And the FAQ itself ;-)
"It's soup! We're there yet!"
Milestone releases do not have debug code. I repeat, milestone releases do not have debug code.
It's completely new, the reviewer's guide for 1.0. Er, it's still being tweaked ;-)
The FAQ is new as well, and already very popular on the user newsgroups and forums. And it will be maintained.
Yeah, though in IE6 we needed to use a different tail PNG because IE6 gets the gamma wrong, and IE5's support is so b0rken we just don't put them on the page at all (you'll see a weird slideshow effect).
IE will become the new Netscape 4: the b0rken pizza ship that no-one wants to code for any more, because it's just too painful. I so so so wish we hadn't had to allow for the thing.
FAQ: http://mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/
Don't bother looking at these in IE 5.0, its PNG support is rubbish.
"There is also a bug on it [mozilla.org]. The bug has been marked as INVALID because the powers that be deemed it impossible for Mozilla to crash Win2K."
Er, no. I was the reporter of that bug and I marked it as invalid because it happened to me on one day and hasn't happened since, and I hadn't received confirmation of it happening for others.
I have just reopened the bug and it is now back to 'UNCONFIRMED' because, er, it is so far :-) Out of memory conditions aren't the bug I reported.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1422 57
Certainly. However, having a free compiler means you are not tied in to the licencing requirements for generated code of a proprietary compiler. Think of some of the fun requirements Microsoft has been putting into the licence agreements for its development kits of late.
(This sort of behaviour is why a lot of free software projects for Win32 - e.g. Mozilla - are trying desperately to get away from Visual C++ and get their project compiling under gcc, Cygwin or mingw.)
Think of it as the GPL being the Declaration of Independence, and gcc as being the gun that helps you enforce your freedom.