The point of the lawsuit seems to be that the marketing and deployment of the TiVo unit used "Plumbing" similar or ripped off from the patent holder. I doubt that the plumbing is the same. I beleive that TV Guide did copyright or whatever the way they list their shows in the magazine. Too bad they didn't do it with channel on the left and time across the top, the way they do it now is way to hard to read.
The company said the suit claims TiVo "willfully infringed certain Gemstar intellectual property by virtue of TiVo's deployment, marketing, offers to sell and sale of personalized video recorder devices containing an unlicensed interactive program guide."
This is really nothing new. The concept has been areound for years, the plumbing is what took the effort. Fact is TiVo just beat them to market. So what's the current method for easing the corporate pain of losing? Sue the bastards!
Not to try to be a member of the glazed over club, but what is Chromatic abberation? Is this the infraction and refraction of the light bouncing through the atmosphere?
I kind of interested on how this will affect tidal patterns. Also there is all the buzz about "Loons" and how the human body reacts during full moons and other moon related events. I know that just because the sun is in a different spotbut the news will be doing all their little stories on it, It'll be fun to watch.
More moderation? Please no. The moderation model although flawed in some areas works pretty well.
More moderation. Require all members to moderate discussions. If members regularly behave abusively or in a hostile way, they can be warned, then suspended or expelled. The consequences for disrupting discussions and for repeated personal and hostile attacks can become more serious than losing posting rights for a few hours. Few functioning communities in the world don't set some conditions for members.
Part of the allure of/. is that we are moderated by ourselves and although it is not a perfect system it allows the frredom to say what your opinion is, flames and all. If it's off-topic or flamebait it is moderated as such. If I wish not to see the lower end of the comments, I can choose to browse at +1. I think Jon has some good points but his attempt to re-difine the culture, success and the community of/. is IMO not warrented. I don't beleive he is qualified from a culture or a technical standpoint, and I sort of took offense to the comment that stated something along the lines of/. was never created to be. ..
The bottom line is that here on/. the intelligence level is extremely high and so is the passion about our opinions. Flames and moderation together act as an equalizer and keep this place from turning into:
1) a dry dicsussion think tank, or 2) an AOL look alike chat room.
If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Sure some group of people could decide to create their own private version of GPLed software without legal fault, however, they are still restricted from selling their modified code.
For now.
It seems like only a matter of time before the lawyers find the loopholes. Ka-Ching Lawyers make more money on both sides of the fence.
So. That's just a learning curve. Look at all the countless failures working toward early rocket propulsion. Thousands if you count all the launches from the many differnet countries. Hey it's the price of being outside the box.
It also has a lot to do with the NASA lobby groups. They have fallen off to next to nothing over the last few years. They did so much cheerleading for NASA in their efforts to get new money from the fed. Now that they are somewhat quieter, the puplic doesn't hear that it costs money to be successfull in space.
NASA has made it look so easy for years, the public now expects it all the time. Problem is, is that space is hard work and very risky. They do 99 and 44/100 correct and very professionally, It's a shame they get burned for a couple of failed attempts. Thats simply what to expect when you shoot for faster-cheaper-better.
I dont know. about equal footing. Maybe this statement will seem more accurate next year, but I think were still a little ways off.
Linux can be criticized in many ways...
That same quote jumped out at me and the first thing I thought was that this is bait for Linux bashing. It seemed to me to be an obvious troll for flames.
The risk is bigger. It's simple. Most DB to DB transactions are done on a "Trusted" source relationship. The key is to spoof yourself as the trusted source. The fact that in the examples given, the article states that the numbers were stored in plain text and connected directly to the seb site. Granted this is pretty dumb, but the risk remains even if it's not directly connected. If the DB is in the enterprise all you need is some form of enterprise access. This isn't generally hard to get, with stuff like BO2K redily available.
Once your in, just use some basic DBA tools that are inherant to almost any commercially available DB, like access etc. Some minor mods, and then your a trusted source.
The real problem is that most web based transaction hosts DO NOT implement nearly enough security. ANY enterprise DB with sensitive data should have a DB scanner implemented just like you would implement a scanner on your firewall. ISS and other companies offer them and price per DB is really not all that bad.
With simple proxy, lift and drop and best practice DBA administration, this should never have happened. One thing that always gets overlooked though is if the sites used a secure transaction firm like Cybercash, they would never have had the sensitive data to begin with, all they would have had would have been an order number, a cost amount and a receipt from Cybercash, not card numbers.
It always amazes me that on line retailers think that they can do it better, faster and cheaper that firms that do this stuff for a living. Hope they outsource next time.
I also will miss these guys. MEEPT! isn't quite as regular as the others. I think the moderating down is because they post on every thread, all day and all night. It sure made "First Posts" a more little lively than FIRST DUDE!. I liked the theme song spin offs and the Anti karma how to.
I think you were a little rough on Sig 11 and Malda though, there just part of slashdot culture. Don't take it so personally.
Sure the prces will drop. Eventually. Remember when hand held calculators cost 250 bucks.
I seem to recall that a foriegn space agency entertained the idea of civilians paying to get into space. John Denver was on a short list, I think the cost was 5M for something similar. They never finally approved it.
"the warning would imply that you are not within your rights to view it at the office, which would suck if your office is at home
Not in your home, there are specific allocations for that. On a related note though my buddies wife had a home daycare thing set up, she watched about 4 kids during the day. She showed movies like Bambi in the afternoon and was served with a cease order from MGM. Seems showing to the kids constituted a public viewing, even in their home.
Didn't they originally serve papers to something like 50 defendants? Then slowly backed off of most because they just had the copying cracks on their web sites?
Give it yes, sell it no. Also I feel if I buy anything I own it period. If I want to jumble the data anyway I want. If I want to run it over with my car or play frizbee with it ro pump 27,000 volts across it I have that right. They sold me the key with the product, it is mine and I should be able to do with it whatever I want.
We should do some sort of "Ask Slashdot" thread, heavily moderated to keep it on topic and free from trolls. Gather up all the ideas presented and have someone ship 'em of to the defense team. If nothing else it would give them food for thought.
With all the intelligence this forums community has, targeted at an issue like this I think we could make an impact. Not just for the short term either, it could be precident setting on open source as a whole.
He he, didn't think of it that way. So we are allowed to buy the keys, but not allowed to use them. Doh!
I wonder where the DVD player manufactures weigh in on this. I would assume that they would be on the opensource side of the house, simply because it would mean more dollars for them in the long run.
I agree, and with DVD it has been pushed even harder than before. From an open source perspective, although our ideals are gaining some speed with the press, there doesn't seem to be much we can do. A "grass roots" style effort up against the big power of the production companies and movie powerhouses (Read Media). They have all the access to the press and we simply don't have the same footprint.
What do we do do make an impact? Spam, letter writing, DOS on the law firm representing? No, this stuff really never seems to have an impact.
"This is a case of theft. The posting of the de-encryption formula is no different than making and then distributing unauthorized keys to a department store. The keys have no real purpose except to circumvent the locks that stand between the thief and the goods he or she targets."
Here we go again. This is just as weak as the first go 'round. Remember all the yada yada yada that the movie industry put out on the VHS and BETA tapes when they first became popular. It's the same argument, just different media.
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The point of the lawsuit seems to be that the marketing and deployment of the TiVo unit used "Plumbing" similar or ripped off from the patent holder. I doubt that the plumbing is the same. I beleive that TV Guide did copyright or whatever the way they list their shows in the magazine. Too bad they didn't do it with channel on the left and time across the top, the way they do it now is way to hard to read.
The company said the suit claims TiVo "willfully infringed certain Gemstar intellectual property by virtue of TiVo's deployment, marketing, offers to sell and sale of personalized video recorder devices containing an unlicensed interactive program guide."
This is really nothing new. The concept has been areound for years, the plumbing is what took the effort. Fact is TiVo just beat them to market. So what's the current method for easing the corporate pain of losing? Sue the bastards!
Only the lawyers win in the long run.
I kind of interested on how this will affect tidal patterns. Also there is all the buzz about "Loons" and how the human body reacts during full moons and other moon related events. I know that just because the sun is in a different spotbut the news will be doing all their little stories on it, It'll be fun to watch.
More moderation. Require all members to moderate discussions. If members regularly behave abusively or in a hostile way, they can be warned, then suspended or expelled. The consequences for disrupting discussions and for repeated personal and hostile attacks can become more serious than losing posting rights for a few hours. Few functioning communities in the world don't set some conditions for members.
Part of the allure of /. is that we are moderated by ourselves and although it is not a perfect system it allows the frredom to say what your opinion is, flames and all. If it's off-topic or flamebait it is moderated as such. If I wish not to see the lower end of the comments, I can choose to browse at +1. I think Jon has some good points but his attempt to re-difine the culture, success and the community of /. is IMO not warrented. I don't beleive he is qualified from a culture or a technical standpoint, and I sort of took offense to the comment that stated something along the lines of /. was never created to be. . .
Strange, but true.
Was the whole point.
1) a dry dicsussion think tank,
or
2) an AOL look alike chat room.
If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
For now.
It seems like only a matter of time before the lawyers find the loopholes. Ka-Ching Lawyers make more money on both sides of the fence.
Industry already is. The problem is that it's being fueld with our tax dollars and we rightfully sream for lower taxes. Vicious cycle 'eh.
So. That's just a learning curve. Look at all the countless failures working toward early rocket propulsion. Thousands if you count all the launches from the many differnet countries. Hey it's the price of being outside the box.
NASA has made it look so easy for years, the public now expects it all the time. Problem is, is that space is hard work and very risky. They do 99 and 44/100 correct and very professionally, It's a shame they get burned for a couple of failed attempts. Thats simply what to expect when you shoot for faster-cheaper-better.
I dont know. about equal footing. Maybe this statement will seem more accurate next year, but I think were still a little ways off.
Linux can be criticized in many ways...
That same quote jumped out at me and the first thing I thought was that this is bait for Linux bashing. It seemed to me to be an obvious troll for flames.
Once your in, just use some basic DBA tools that are inherant to almost any commercially available DB, like access etc. Some minor mods, and then your a trusted source.
The real problem is that most web based transaction hosts DO NOT implement nearly enough security. ANY enterprise DB with sensitive data should have a DB scanner implemented just like you would implement a scanner on your firewall. ISS and other companies offer them and price per DB is really not all that bad.
With simple proxy, lift and drop and best practice DBA administration, this should never have happened. One thing that always gets overlooked though is if the sites used a secure transaction firm like Cybercash, they would never have had the sensitive data to begin with, all they would have had would have been an order number, a cost amount and a receipt from Cybercash, not card numbers.
It always amazes me that on line retailers think that they can do it better, faster and cheaper that firms that do this stuff for a living. Hope they outsource next time.
I think you were a little rough on Sig 11 and Malda though, there just part of slashdot culture. Don't take it so personally.
I seem to recall that a foriegn space agency entertained the idea of civilians paying to get into space. John Denver was on a short list, I think the cost was 5M for something similar. They never finally approved it.
If the litigation falls in support of open source, wouldn't the DVD manufactures make more by selling all the component based DVD writers?
Not in your home, there are specific allocations for that. On a related note though my buddies wife had a home daycare thing set up, she watched about 4 kids during the day. She showed movies like Bambi in the afternoon and was served with a cease order from MGM. Seems showing to the kids constituted a public viewing, even in their home.
Sorry for being dense but. why start with a slower chip?
Give it yes, sell it no. Also I feel if I buy anything I own it period. If I want to jumble the data anyway I want. If I want to run it over with my car or play frizbee with it ro pump 27,000 volts across it I have that right. They sold me the key with the product, it is mine and I should be able to do with it whatever I want.
With all the intelligence this forums community has, targeted at an issue like this I think we could make an impact. Not just for the short term either, it could be precident setting on open source as a whole.
I wonder where the DVD player manufactures weigh in on this. I would assume that they would be on the opensource side of the house, simply because it would mean more dollars for them in the long run.
What do we do do make an impact? Spam, letter writing, DOS on the law firm representing? No, this stuff really never seems to have an impact.
Here we go again. This is just as weak as the first go 'round. Remember all the yada yada yada that the movie industry put out on the VHS and BETA tapes when they first became popular. It's the same argument, just different media.