But his voters do - and he made promises to them, and his VP really, really does and has ALREADY publicly promised to undo all gains by the LGBT groups under Obama including getting the legalization of gay marriage overturned. He has already stated that a key policy of the administratin will be to undo the efforts towards giving non-straight people equal rights - which, as you know, he believes they shouoldnt' have because he doesn't believe they are people.
Slashdot used to hate the religious right - now you've put the most insane religious-right candidate of all time a heartbeat from the presidency (seriously - the guy makes Mike Huckabee look sane...
>lol, worried about a world war with...somebody By definition a world war is NOT with somebody - it's with LOTS of somebodies. And the last time the world was this unstable was 1914 and it only took ONE event to unleash one.
> when the war with Islam has been raging for decades and has escalated to the point where you don't have to guess what could happen to your daughter because you know. I live in a city with a 30% Muslim population - and my daughter is perfectly safe from them. I am MUCH more concerned about what rightwing conservative pussy-grabbers will do to her. The FBI agrees with me by the way: they rate rightwing terrorists the single greatest threat to American national security, FAR more dangerous than even the worst of Islamic groups, not least because they are ALREADY in the country, part of the community - and people like you aren't scared of them. They have also killed far more people in the past decade than Muslims have.
>lol, you would feel bad, and that's about it Feel bad ? Right, and if we bring back slavery for black people then they would also just "feel bad". Because being a second-class citizen is no big deal and people should just get over it ?
You fucking terrible human being. You know how you right wingers are always telling us we need guns to protect ourselves from tyranny, I guess you were right - what you probably never realized is you are the people we have to be shooting to do that. Now aren't you lucky liberals mostly prefer the idea of overthrowing tyranny WITHOUT guns....
>Something those of you needing a 'safe space' after this election need to remembe Considering that the past 24 hours have been filled with assaults and harassment of minorities, including several murders and an attempted murder (somebody tried to push a girl in front of a subway train just for wearing a Hijab) - I think your use of the term 'safe space' in so sarcastic a manner is really, really fucking stupid. These people DO need safe spaces - because people who voted for your candidate are LITERALLY trying to kill them - and no, I'm not misusing literally.
Well here is the data on the last two congresses of the Obama era. They are, by every possible measure, the least productive congresses that the USA has ever had. When attacked for this a few years ago, Ted Cruz defended it saying "A congress should rather be measured by how many laws it repeals than how many it passes" - except by that measure they are ALSO the least productive of all time.
These congresses actually achieved NOTHING. They couldn't fight a fucking plague - that sounds like something you would say as an analogy of how bad a congress is, but it's actually one of the things they were incapable of achieving.
Just because it's FUD doesn't mean it's not true. The last time somebody got elected who said what this guy says it caused a world war and a holocaust. That's just historical reality.
That dark time in American history - is repeating itself right now. The headlines today is FILLED with people of colour, Muslims and other immigrants being harassed, assaulted and attacked. No, those sentiments never went away -they just became unacceptable in civilzed society (as they ought to be) - and Trump has made them acceptable okay. "No political correctness" right. Opposition to "political correctness" has NEVER been ANYTHING but complaining about the idea that being a dickhead has consequences.
The fact that you ASK for a link - proves you voted for people with no idea what their track record actually was. We always knew the trump supporters didn't care about reality or facts, we knew that they called a politician honest who lies 71% of the time he speaks and you just confirmed it. How could you support somebody and not already have KNOWN this ?
I really, really wish Sanders had been the democratic nominee - Trump was the anti-politician ? The left should have answered with a populist anti-politician, the difference would be, they'd be electing a sane one.
Which of those things are not verifiable fact ? Pence signed a law that would jail gay couples if they apply for a marriage license. And he has publicly declared that all abortion should be punished with jailtime for the mother - in every country on earth where that is the law mothers end up jailed for miscariages. No way does he NOT know that.
Just remember - one of the greatest intrusions on civil liberties and freedoms was passed by the republicans - and even the ones who in principle opposed it voted for it because they were too afraid NOT to vote for something called the PATRIOT act.
Really ? So you think he's not going to try and force Muslims to register on a special database and carry special ID ? He promissed to do that many times. You think being okay with a president who wants laws like that does not make you complicit in the atrocity such a law would represent ? Normally we would say - the supreme court would chuck that out so fast his head would spin since it would clearly violate both the first and fourth ammendments, but Trump gets to fill Scalia's seat now, with a republican congress - so he can give that seat to any bigotted jerk he wants to, and suddenly that particular defence is a lot weaker. You think he couldn't get enough votes in congress or the senate to pass such a law ? Republicans have pandered to that same sentiment all year, and they have majorities in both houses. You think any of them would risk the ire of the voters by taking a principled stand against it ? Maybe a few like John McCain might, especially having just won re-election and thus being safe for 4 years, but are you CERTAIN there's enough of those ? How is being willing to take that risk not making you complicit in the bigotry that lead to it ?
What if Trump resurrects DOMA ? With his new conservative court - the current legal status of gay marriage may very well end, the most we could hope for is a sanity clause to allow existing marriages to remain valid. What about all those insane laws that outlaw abortion by proxy (in Texas they've managed to get it down to a single abortion clinic for the entire state) - you think a Trump supreme court will shoot those down ? You just have to pray we don't get another roe-vs-wade style case or it ends entirely.
Now it's quite likely none of these things affect you personally - they don't affect most of Trumps voters and the most hardcore ones actively WANT these things. But it makes them all bigots, it makes them all to blame for every single one that happens - because they chose somebody who would do those things, it doesn't matter why they chose him. It doesn't matter if they voted for his tax policy or his trade policy - they were willing to subject other people to a bigotted government to get those things - and that makes them bigots themselves. It makes them responsible for his actions.
The only Trump actions ALL of his voters don't bear EQUAL responsibility and guilt in - are whatever he ends up doing that was NOT in his campaign. The things he said in speeches he will do - if even one of them comes to pass, all the horrors it causes is blood on the hands of everybody who voted for him. And coincidentally voted for Pence too - a man who signed a law demanding that gay couples be jailed just for WANTING to get married and has publicly stated that he believes women should be charged with murder if they have a miscarriage.
Yeah, I'm upset, even traumatized. I'm fucking scared for the world my little girl is now going to grow up in. I'm legitimately worried that another world war is looming and I don't know if we'll live through it. Vast numbers of people didn't make it the last two times - and those didn't have large nuclear arsenals. You bet I'm fucking traumatised... but at least I have a clean conscience.
>neither one is clinically insane Extreme narcissism is a recognised mental illness, Trump is, indeed clinically insane.
>so neither one would be likely to pass insane laws Not a single one of Trump's policy proposals would count as a SANE law - you think he'll pass NOTHING he promised ?
>saying other things are currently bigger problems for America than bigotry does not make you a bigot. Saying they are bigger problems than bigottry in the PRESIDENT does - saying that these issues are so important that you are okay with a president who promissed to pass bigotted laws does, saying you would be accept bigotted laws to get something else you want- that makes you a bigot.
> Claiming that bigotry must always be problem #1 makes you sound unhinged, and supports the argument that leftists rely on playing the identity-victimhood card. That's only true if you have zero empathy for the people who suffer from bigottry - because just about every other problem they will ever face is either caused or aggravated by it.
Firstly you have nothing to back that claim up. Secondly, that's not remotely relevant to what I said. Clearly - if you vote for a racist, sexist bigot then at the very least you are saying that something else was more important to you than sexism, racism and bigotry. That by itself DOES make you all three.
>The last president that tried to change things in a meaningful way was shot to death in Dallas. Everyone else has been a puppet.
I'd say LBJ passing the civil rights act was a meaningful change. If you don't agree - you must be white. A change doesn't have to be meaningful for 100% of people to be a meaningful change. It just has to help somebody who really needed help.
How about Trump's own demands that Muslims have to carry special ID and be registered in a special database - that's American Citizens being labelled based on their religion. And it's a page torn right out of the Nuremberg laws.
That Washington quote could almost have been believable... if the republican party had even existed before Washington died. It didn't. In his day it was the democrats and the whigs.
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But his voters do - and he made promises to them, and his VP really, really does and has ALREADY publicly promised to undo all gains by the LGBT groups under Obama including getting the legalization of gay marriage overturned. He has already stated that a key policy of the administratin will be to undo the efforts towards giving non-straight people equal rights - which, as you know, he believes they shouoldnt' have because he doesn't believe they are people.
Slashdot used to hate the religious right - now you've put the most insane religious-right candidate of all time a heartbeat from the presidency (seriously - the guy makes Mike Huckabee look sane...
Actually - I've just been excluding the fact-free far RIGHT echo-chamber.
The one that told you there was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump during the campaign - you know, the one that NEVER HAPPENED.
>lol, worried about a world war with...somebody
By definition a world war is NOT with somebody - it's with LOTS of somebodies. And the last time the world was this unstable was 1914 and it only took ONE event to unleash one.
> when the war with Islam has been raging for decades and has escalated to the point where you don't have to guess what could happen to your daughter because you know.
I live in a city with a 30% Muslim population - and my daughter is perfectly safe from them. I am MUCH more concerned about what rightwing conservative pussy-grabbers will do to her. The FBI agrees with me by the way: they rate rightwing terrorists the single greatest threat to American national security, FAR more dangerous than even the worst of Islamic groups, not least because they are ALREADY in the country, part of the community - and people like you aren't scared of them.
They have also killed far more people in the past decade than Muslims have.
>lol, you would feel bad, and that's about it
Feel bad ? Right, and if we bring back slavery for black people then they would also just "feel bad". Because being a second-class citizen is no big deal and people should just get over it ?
You fucking terrible human being. You know how you right wingers are always telling us we need guns to protect ourselves from tyranny, I guess you were right - what you probably never realized is you are the people we have to be shooting to do that. Now aren't you lucky liberals mostly prefer the idea of overthrowing tyranny WITHOUT guns....
>Something those of you needing a 'safe space' after this election need to remembe
Considering that the past 24 hours have been filled with assaults and harassment of minorities, including several murders and an attempted murder (somebody tried to push a girl in front of a subway train just for wearing a Hijab) - I think your use of the term 'safe space' in so sarcastic a manner is really, really fucking stupid. These people DO need safe spaces - because people who voted for your candidate are LITERALLY trying to kill them - and no, I'm not misusing literally.
Well here is the data on the last two congresses of the Obama era. They are, by every possible measure, the least productive congresses that the USA has ever had. When attacked for this a few years ago, Ted Cruz defended it saying "A congress should rather be measured by how many laws it repeals than how many it passes" - except by that measure they are ALSO the least productive of all time.
These congresses actually achieved NOTHING. They couldn't fight a fucking plague - that sounds like something you would say as an analogy of how bad a congress is, but it's actually one of the things they were incapable of achieving.
Just because it's FUD doesn't mean it's not true. The last time somebody got elected who said what this guy says it caused a world war and a holocaust. That's just historical reality.
It meant that those things were not as bad as a sexist, racist president who has proposed Nuremberg laws.
Nowhere in the world has a law like that not been used to prosecute women for miscariages. Nowhere. And the USA would not be an exception.
Yeah. They are the same thing. If anything my descriptions were euphemistic
The people did not vote. Hillary won the popular vote by a huge margin and as the last counts come in its only growing.
Do you remember when he tried ?
That dark time in American history - is repeating itself right now. The headlines today is FILLED with people of colour, Muslims and other immigrants being harassed, assaulted and attacked.
No, those sentiments never went away -they just became unacceptable in civilzed society (as they ought to be) - and Trump has made them acceptable okay. "No political correctness" right.
Opposition to "political correctness" has NEVER been ANYTHING but complaining about the idea that being a dickhead has consequences.
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The fact that you ASK for a link - proves you voted for people with no idea what their track record actually was. We always knew the trump supporters didn't care about reality or facts, we knew that they called a politician honest who lies 71% of the time he speaks and you just confirmed it. How could you support somebody and not already have KNOWN this ?
And I know the one you would get.
I really, really wish Sanders had been the democratic nominee - Trump was the anti-politician ? The left should have answered with a populist anti-politician, the difference would be, they'd be electing a sane one.
I didn't see David Duke endorsing Clinton.
Which of those things are not verifiable fact ? Pence signed a law that would jail gay couples if they apply for a marriage license. And he has publicly declared that all abortion should be punished with jailtime for the mother - in every country on earth where that is the law mothers end up jailed for miscariages. No way does he NOT know that.
You're allowed is a LONG way from "I will force you to".
That's a seriously twisted piece of logic there.
Just remember - one of the greatest intrusions on civil liberties and freedoms was passed by the republicans - and even the ones who in principle opposed it voted for it because they were too afraid NOT to vote for something called the PATRIOT act.
Really ? So you think he's not going to try and force Muslims to register on a special database and carry special ID ? He promissed to do that many times. You think being okay with a president who wants laws like that does not make you complicit in the atrocity such a law would represent ?
Normally we would say - the supreme court would chuck that out so fast his head would spin since it would clearly violate both the first and fourth ammendments, but Trump gets to fill Scalia's seat now, with a republican congress - so he can give that seat to any bigotted jerk he wants to, and suddenly that particular defence is a lot weaker.
You think he couldn't get enough votes in congress or the senate to pass such a law ? Republicans have pandered to that same sentiment all year, and they have majorities in both houses. You think any of them would risk the ire of the voters by taking a principled stand against it ? Maybe a few like John McCain might, especially having just won re-election and thus being safe for 4 years, but are you CERTAIN there's enough of those ?
How is being willing to take that risk not making you complicit in the bigotry that lead to it ?
What if Trump resurrects DOMA ? With his new conservative court - the current legal status of gay marriage may very well end, the most we could hope for is a sanity clause to allow existing marriages to remain valid. What about all those insane laws that outlaw abortion by proxy (in Texas they've managed to get it down to a single abortion clinic for the entire state) - you think a Trump supreme court will shoot those down ? You just have to pray we don't get another roe-vs-wade style case or it ends entirely.
Now it's quite likely none of these things affect you personally - they don't affect most of Trumps voters and the most hardcore ones actively WANT these things. But it makes them all bigots, it makes them all to blame for every single one that happens - because they chose somebody who would do those things, it doesn't matter why they chose him. It doesn't matter if they voted for his tax policy or his trade policy - they were willing to subject other people to a bigotted government to get those things - and that makes them bigots themselves. It makes them responsible for his actions.
The only Trump actions ALL of his voters don't bear EQUAL responsibility and guilt in - are whatever he ends up doing that was NOT in his campaign. The things he said in speeches he will do - if even one of them comes to pass, all the horrors it causes is blood on the hands of everybody who voted for him. And coincidentally voted for Pence too - a man who signed a law demanding that gay couples be jailed just for WANTING to get married and has publicly stated that he believes women should be charged with murder if they have a miscarriage.
Yeah, I'm upset, even traumatized. I'm fucking scared for the world my little girl is now going to grow up in. I'm legitimately worried that another world war is looming and I don't know if we'll live through it. Vast numbers of people didn't make it the last two times - and those didn't have large nuclear arsenals. You bet I'm fucking traumatised... but at least I have a clean conscience.
>neither one is clinically insane
Extreme narcissism is a recognised mental illness, Trump is, indeed clinically insane.
>so neither one would be likely to pass insane laws
Not a single one of Trump's policy proposals would count as a SANE law - you think he'll pass NOTHING he promised ?
>saying other things are currently bigger problems for America than bigotry does not make you a bigot.
Saying they are bigger problems than bigottry in the PRESIDENT does - saying that these issues are so important that you are okay with a president who promissed to pass bigotted laws does, saying you would be accept bigotted laws to get something else you want- that makes you a bigot.
> Claiming that bigotry must always be problem #1 makes you sound unhinged, and supports the argument that leftists rely on playing the identity-victimhood card.
That's only true if you have zero empathy for the people who suffer from bigottry - because just about every other problem they will ever face is either caused or aggravated by it.
Firstly you have nothing to back that claim up. Secondly, that's not remotely relevant to what I said. Clearly - if you vote for a racist, sexist bigot then at the very least you are saying that something else was more important to you than sexism, racism and bigotry. That by itself DOES make you all three.
>The last president that tried to change things in a meaningful way was shot to death in Dallas. Everyone else has been a puppet.
I'd say LBJ passing the civil rights act was a meaningful change. If you don't agree - you must be white. A change doesn't have to be meaningful for 100% of people to be a meaningful change. It just has to help somebody who really needed help.
How about Trump's own demands that Muslims have to carry special ID and be registered in a special database - that's American Citizens being labelled based on their religion. And it's a page torn right out of the Nuremberg laws.
That Washington quote could almost have been believable... if the republican party had even existed before Washington died. It didn't. In his day it was the democrats and the whigs.