It's okay to justify it, if you drink the Apple-Aid. Ironically if this had been Microsoft or the MAFIAA arresting somebody who downloaded the latest Windows or Star Trek, people would be tearing those corporations to shreds.
Thanks for the quoting of the code, and the correction. However Gizmodo DID return the property to the original owner, so it met the requirements of the law.
after you forgot your keys in it?
This is illegal in my state. Both the carthief and me the owner would be arrested.
This seems like negative publicity to me. I had been considering replacing my old Pentium 4 machine with a shiny new Macintosh, but now I'm inclined not to give any money to Apple. I don't want to support a company that arrests members of the free press simply to force them to be silent...... How many other Apple customers are thinking along the same lines?
I like Apple products (my Quadra was one of my favorite machines), but their publicity has really turned negative lately. There's this story about trying to accuse a journalist of stealing property (it was abandoned, therefore not stolen, plus he returned it to Apple).
And then there's the story about a father in England(?) whose iPod started smoking and then blew up. Apple agreed to replace the iPod but only if the father agreed to muzzle his mouth & never speak about Apple again.
Apple's starting to act like those corporations (Exxon-Mobile, Walmart, MS) that I hate.
And so on. Besides the journalist did not keep the property. He investigated it, reported it, and then returned it to the original owner (which he did not have to do, since the owner had abandoned the property). What Apple is trying to do is force the journalist to keep his mouth shut, as if he had signed a non-disclosure agreement. But of course since he never signed an NDE he's breached no contract and committed no crime. He will eventually be freed.
And in another thread, somebody told me I'm "eccentric" because I fear the government doing exactly what they did to Gizmodo's Editor. You're not being eccentric when you have case-after-case-after-case of government abuse to back you up.
Plus my own personal experience where my car was searched in Texas while I was supposed to be enjoying a vacation. Damn Feds made me stand around for an hour before finally admitting, "Well I guess you ain't got no illegals here." Duh. It's a coupe not a van. I wouldn't be able to hide anybody even if I wanted too, ya damn dirty apes..... I mean Homeland Security.
Oh well. Liberty wanes and each day we come closer to a revival of the Feudal state where citizens are serfs of the new Lords called politicians. "With the first link the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied..... chains us all irrevocably." - Captain Picard
>>>Opera Mini consistently smokes the built-in browser.
Because of that impressive demo (speed), I was considering getting Opera Mini for my cellphone. That is until I saw how much my provider charges for web browsing. $5 per 10 megabytes! I'd end-up with huge bills.
Disappointing.
Aside -
I'm listening to a mother on CSPAN radio complain because she "only has dialup" and her son is at a disadvantage because of it. Of course she's asking government to give her free Broadband. Jeez. I have dialup (when traveling), and I seem to make out okay. Plus there's always the option for satellite broadband at ~$25 a month.
>>>Opera Mini is indeed a simple viewer for images
Not even close to accurate. First off, having to download a full-screen GIF, JPEG, or Bitmap image would take a *long* time... longer than just processing the plain-text HTML directly. Here's what wikipedia says:
"Opera Mini fetches all content through a proxy server that reformats web pages into a format more suitable for small screens. A page is compressed, then delivered to the phone in a markup language called OBML (Opera Binary Markup Language)."
Sorry I don't see any reason to give my kid a better laptop (or desktop) than I've got. Windows XP. 1 gig of RAM. It works for me and will work for them too.
There are lots of people who know how to talk while they drive.
Yeah well the AAA tested some of these drivers who claim they can "talk and not be distracted by driving". They founded their response time was inordinately slow..... worse than if they had been legally drunk.
You'd buy three laptops for a total cost of $300? I pity your (real/eventual/hypothetical) kids
He's treating them no differently than how I treat myself. My laptop is also one of those "XP ebay specials" and cost $110 plus shipping. It works just fine for typing Word documents and surfing the net.
Plus they ARE just kids. When they graduate college, then they can get something better for themselves. Besides I consider getting a kid everything he/she wants as poor parenting. If I went-out and spent $3000 on three laptops ($1000 per piece), I'd be spoiling them. That's what contributes to the "entitlement" mentality so prevalent today.
And frankly, it sounds like you might be spoiled yourself ("If you meant $300 per laptop, that's still not much better").
>>>Booth *WAS* a patriot but just not a patriot of the united states. But a country that did not exist anymore.
Bzzz. Booth was a patriot of neither country (north or south), but of the U.S. Constitution, which specifically guaranteed the right of habeus corpus and free speech and trial by jury, all of which Lincoln abolished during his term. Lincoln was like an 1860s incarnation of George Dubya Bush.
IF (key word) you consider Bush to be an evil president, then you should consider Lincoln evil as well. Their anti-constitution, anti-liberty policies were remarkably similar.
I read the link you provided which said, "When the Mac appeared, it was even better than we'd hoped. It was small and powerful and cheap, as promised..... the Mac was in its time the canonical hacker's computer."
Uh. I'll grant the Mac was a beautiful machine, but Hacker friendly??? Cheap?!?!?
Hardly. As I recall it cost $4000 in 1985 and the GUI OS (with no command line interface) was specifically designed NOT to allow hacking, or at least make it very difficult. Contrast that with an Atari or Commodore or Amiga which cost around $300 to buy, and were VERY hacker friendly (just type POKE 10000,1 and sit back to see what happens). Even a ten-year-old kid could experiment with them. And if you go to youtube and type "classic computer demos," you will find tons of Atari, Commodore, and Amiga demos created by the hackers of yesteryear. Virtually nothing from 80s-era Mac.
I was a Mac user from the one-piece box upto the PowerPC, simply because IBM PC/Windows sucked so bad. Mac's GUI was elegant and easy-to-use. But I did *zero* hacking on it. That was reserved for my Atari and Commodore machines, where you could get down to the bare metal and literally create beautiful music (and multimedia). THOSE were the true hacking machines.
I think Mr. Paul Graham is engaging in revisionist history. Either that or he was extremely sheltered to be so completely unaware of history's number one selling computer (not a mac). When I have casual conversations with programmers today, and I ask what was your first computer, it's almost always the same answer: "A Commodore". Sometimes Atari or Sinclair, but never Mac. The Mac was NOT the "canonical hacker computer" as Graham claims.
AGAIN, Mark-t's post should not have been marked trool. Pull your head out of your asses moderator(s). Mark T was merely sharing his EXPERIENCE with us regarding his Bank debit card. Not trolling.
Good God. What a frakked-up system - it's being used to destroy Mark-t's karma, and thereby block him from making posts in the future. This should not be allowed.
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Mark't's post should not have been marked troll. Pull your head out of your ass moderator. Mark T was merely sharing his EXPERIENCE with us; not trolling. This Slashdot system is being ABUSED in order to try to destroy the user named Mark-t.
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What the hell are the moderators doing today??? Just going 'round and destroying users karma? Mark-t's post is not trollish at all.
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I think my point is that Minesweeper has been sitting on nearly every desktop in the world, from Windows 3 (1990) to Windows 7 (2010). Other games have not. QED Minesweeper has far wider "coverage" to borrow a term from Nielsen television.
Why is this message marked troll??? There is not a damn thing wrong with the comment posted by C64_love, and yet *every one of his comments* has been demoted as "trollish" or "flamebait". It seems clear to me the moderators are merely trying to destroy another poster via a concerted attack.
That is NOT what the slashdot mod system is for.
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This comment should not be marked "flamebait". There is nothing flaming about it. The moderators are merely trying to destroy another poster via a concerted attack.
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This comment should not be marked "troll". There is nothing trolling about it. The moderators are merely trying to destroy another poster via a concerted attack.
Unbelievable.
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What the hell is wrong with the moderators lately??? SLASHDOT FAQ:
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It's okay to justify it, if you drink the Apple-Aid. Ironically if this had been Microsoft or the MAFIAA arresting somebody who downloaded the latest Windows or Star Trek, people would be tearing those corporations to shreds.
Thanks for the quoting of the code, and the correction. However Gizmodo DID return the property to the original owner, so it met the requirements of the law.
after you forgot your keys in it?
This is illegal in my state. Both the carthief and me the owner would be arrested.
Abandoned property belongs to nobody.
This seems like negative publicity to me. I had been considering replacing my old Pentium 4 machine with a shiny new Macintosh, but now I'm inclined not to give any money to Apple. I don't want to support a company that arrests members of the free press simply to force them to be silent. ..... How many other Apple customers are thinking along the same lines?
I like Apple products (my Quadra was one of my favorite machines), but their publicity has really turned negative lately. There's this story about trying to accuse a journalist of stealing property (it was abandoned, therefore not stolen, plus he returned it to Apple).
And then there's the story about a father in England(?) whose iPod started smoking and then blew up. Apple agreed to replace the iPod but only if the father agreed to muzzle his mouth & never speak about Apple again.
Apple's starting to act like those corporations (Exxon-Mobile, Walmart, MS) that I hate.
Losers weepers; finder's keepers.
Possession is 9/10ths of the law.
Abandoned property belongs to nobody.
And so on. Besides the journalist did not keep the property. He investigated it, reported it, and then returned it to the original owner (which he did not have to do, since the owner had abandoned the property). What Apple is trying to do is force the journalist to keep his mouth shut, as if he had signed a non-disclosure agreement. But of course since he never signed an NDE he's breached no contract and committed no crime. He will eventually be freed.
Apple == The rise of a new Microsoft?
And in another thread, somebody told me I'm "eccentric" because I fear the government doing exactly what they did to Gizmodo's Editor. You're not being eccentric when you have case-after-case-after-case of government abuse to back you up.
Plus my own personal experience where my car was searched in Texas while I was supposed to be enjoying a vacation. Damn Feds made me stand around for an hour before finally admitting, "Well I guess you ain't got no illegals here." Duh. It's a coupe not a van. I wouldn't be able to hide anybody even if I wanted too, ya damn dirty apes..... I mean Homeland Security.
Oh well. Liberty wanes and each day we come closer to a revival of the Feudal state where citizens are serfs of the new Lords called politicians. "With the first link the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied..... chains us all irrevocably." - Captain Picard
>>>Opera Mini consistently smokes the built-in browser.
Because of that impressive demo (speed), I was considering getting Opera Mini for my cellphone. That is until I saw how much my provider charges for web browsing. $5 per 10 megabytes! I'd end-up with huge bills.
Disappointing.
Aside -
I'm listening to a mother on CSPAN radio complain because she "only has dialup" and her son is at a disadvantage because of it. Of course she's asking government to give her free Broadband. Jeez. I have dialup (when traveling), and I seem to make out okay. Plus there's always the option for satellite broadband at ~$25 a month.
>>>Opera Mini is indeed a simple viewer for images
Not even close to accurate. First off, having to download a full-screen GIF, JPEG, or Bitmap image would take a *long* time... longer than just processing the plain-text HTML directly. Here's what wikipedia says:
"Opera Mini fetches all content through a proxy server that reformats web pages into a format more suitable for small screens. A page is compressed, then delivered to the phone in a markup language called OBML (Opera Binary Markup Language)."
Sorry I don't see any reason to give my kid a better laptop (or desktop) than I've got. Windows XP. 1 gig of RAM. It works for me and will work for them too.
There are lots of people who know how to talk while they drive.
Yeah well the AAA tested some of these drivers who claim they can "talk and not be distracted by driving". They founded their response time was inordinately slow..... worse than if they had been legally drunk.
You'd buy three laptops for a total cost of $300? I pity your (real/eventual/hypothetical) kids
He's treating them no differently than how I treat myself. My laptop is also one of those "XP ebay specials" and cost $110 plus shipping. It works just fine for typing Word documents and surfing the net.
Plus they ARE just kids. When they graduate college, then they can get something better for themselves. Besides I consider getting a kid everything he/she wants as poor parenting. If I went-out and spent $3000 on three laptops ($1000 per piece), I'd be spoiling them. That's what contributes to the "entitlement" mentality so prevalent today.
And frankly, it sounds like you might be spoiled yourself ("If you meant $300 per laptop, that's still not much better").
>>>Booth *WAS* a patriot but just not a patriot of the united states. But a country that did not exist anymore.
Bzzz. Booth was a patriot of neither country (north or south), but of the U.S. Constitution, which specifically guaranteed the right of habeus corpus and free speech and trial by jury, all of which Lincoln abolished during his term. Lincoln was like an 1860s incarnation of George Dubya Bush.
IF (key word) you consider Bush to be an evil president, then you should consider Lincoln evil as well. Their anti-constitution, anti-liberty policies were remarkably similar.
I read the link you provided which said, "When the Mac appeared, it was even better than we'd hoped. It was small and powerful and cheap, as promised..... the Mac was in its time the canonical hacker's computer."
Uh. I'll grant the Mac was a beautiful machine, but Hacker friendly??? Cheap?!?!?
Hardly. As I recall it cost $4000 in 1985 and the GUI OS (with no command line interface) was specifically designed NOT to allow hacking, or at least make it very difficult. Contrast that with an Atari or Commodore or Amiga which cost around $300 to buy, and were VERY hacker friendly (just type POKE 10000,1 and sit back to see what happens). Even a ten-year-old kid could experiment with them. And if you go to youtube and type "classic computer demos," you will find tons of Atari, Commodore, and Amiga demos created by the hackers of yesteryear. Virtually nothing from 80s-era Mac.
I was a Mac user from the one-piece box upto the PowerPC, simply because IBM PC/Windows sucked so bad. Mac's GUI was elegant and easy-to-use. But I did *zero* hacking on it. That was reserved for my Atari and Commodore machines, where you could get down to the bare metal and literally create beautiful music (and multimedia). THOSE were the true hacking machines.
I think Mr. Paul Graham is engaging in revisionist history. Either that or he was extremely sheltered to be so completely unaware of history's number one selling computer (not a mac). When I have casual conversations with programmers today, and I ask what was your first computer, it's almost always the same answer: "A Commodore". Sometimes Atari or Sinclair, but never Mac. The Mac was NOT the "canonical hacker computer" as Graham claims.
IMHO.
Please don't mod me down if you disagee.
AGAIN, Mark-t's post should not have been marked trool. Pull your head out of your asses moderator(s). Mark T was merely sharing his EXPERIENCE with us regarding his Bank debit card. Not trolling.
Good God. What a frakked-up system - it's being used to destroy Mark-t's karma, and thereby block him from making posts in the future. This should not be allowed.
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Mark't's post should not have been marked troll. Pull your head out of your ass moderator. Mark T was merely sharing his EXPERIENCE with us; not trolling. This Slashdot system is being ABUSED in order to try to destroy the user named Mark-t.
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This comment shouldn't be marked troll either.
What the hell are the moderators doing today??? Just going 'round and destroying users karma? Mark-t's post is not trollish at all.
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Visa extends the very same protection to a Visa debit card as they do to a Credit Card
Still not as good as having the U.S. Government backing you, as they do with credit cards but not debit cards.
I think my point is that Minesweeper has been sitting on nearly every desktop in the world, from Windows 3 (1990) to Windows 7 (2010). Other games have not. QED Minesweeper has far wider "coverage" to borrow a term from Nielsen television.
Why is this message marked troll??? There is not a damn thing wrong with the comment posted by C64_love, and yet *every one of his comments* has been demoted as "trollish" or "flamebait". It seems clear to me the moderators are merely trying to destroy another poster via a concerted attack.
That is NOT what the slashdot mod system is for.
SLASHDOT FAQ:
"Concentrate more on promoting (adding points) rather than on demoting (subtracting points). The real goal here is to find the juicy good stuff and let others read it. Do not promote personal agendas. Do not let your opinions factor in. Try to be impartial about this." "Simply disagreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it down. Likewise, agreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it up. The goal here is to share ideas. To sift through the haystack and find needles."
This comment should not be marked "flamebait". There is nothing flaming about it. The moderators are merely trying to destroy another poster via a concerted attack.
SLASHDOT FAQ:
"Concentrate more on promoting (adding points) rather than on demoting (subtracting points). The real goal here is to find the juicy good stuff and let others read it. Do not promote personal agendas. Do not let your opinions factor in. Try to be impartial about this." "Simply disagreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it down. Likewise, agreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it up. The goal here is to share ideas. To sift through the haystack and find needles."
This comment should not be marked "troll". There is nothing trolling about it. The moderators are merely trying to destroy another poster via a concerted attack.
Unbelievable.
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Should not be marked troll.
What the hell is wrong with the moderators lately??? SLASHDOT FAQ:
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Should not be marked troll.
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Should not be marked "troll".
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