and I would almost bet money that Linux will have an easier to use desktop before Microsoft will have stability. Although...Windows2000 has been up for 90 days and counting, Yeaa. So does this mean Jesse Berst will now denounce all that is Linux and go kiss some MS butt?
I wonder how many of you know how to build a car from the ground up? Or how about a house? Using the logic of some of the/.ers, you shouldn't be driving a BMW or Mercedes unless you know how to build/repair it yourself!
BTW, does anybody else remember Linus saying about 2 years(?) ago the guy who created MIME should be shot?
(Anyone interested in buying one of those old missile silos to start a hacker utopia community, drop me a line so we can talk.)
Let me say this...I don't disagree with everything ESR says and I appreciate what he has done for Linux, but I hope his 15 minutes is almost up. Power corrupts and anyone seeking such power is probably already handicapped in that regard. What was the quote from one of the Hitchiker books, "Politicians are rarely able or competent and those that are would never be a politician" (or something like that.) The message is always more important than the messenger. I am not saying ESR should run and hide, just be aware that he is under the microscope and following his own statements, this community won't put up with baloney.
Maybe I read into this more because of recent events, but here goes my logic. I find this to be a recipe of how to become a tribal elder. Saying that visibly reaching for fame is dangerous; the keyword being visibly. Saying you have to sort of position yourself so it drops in your lap suggests a premeditated attempt to gain this fame or power. My point is Linus is a hero because he did exactly what you said, ESR sounds like he had the intentions of being a hero and that writing software was the way he was going to enable that.
I read this before ESR was the "spokesperson" for the free or open source movement. I thought it was crap then and I feel it is crap now. Here comes a clue: If you need to read how to be a hacker, you will never be a true hacker. I will give him credit for stating a lot of true things, but some of it is pure shit. For example:
"If you aren't the kind of person that feels this way naturally, you'll need to become one in order to make it as a hacker. Otherwise you'll find your hacking energy is sapped by distractions like sex, money, and social approval."
Words fail me.
And this is the best yet:
"Beware: hackers distrust blatant ego in their tribal elders, so visibly reaching for this kind of fame is dangerous. Rather than striving for it, you have to sort of position yourself so it drops in your lap, and then be modest and gracious about your status."
Maybe ESR should take some of his own advice. So what he is saying is, "instead of being open about my agenda, I should be sneaky and underhanded and usurp the power of the leaders...yes,yes this will work!" I think he should have said that the community will decide who their leaders are and consider yourself lucky if you are appointed. Maybe that should be unlucky because you will undoubtedly be torn limb from limb by some luser on Slashdot;-)
I think this man is as contrived as anyone using this article would be. The way he talks about if you are in the culture and if you are called a hacker, than you *are* a hacker makes me ill. Yeah man, I want to be in the *in* crowd!?! I have always been an outsider and will always be an outsider. The view is much better and there is a lot more room and freedom out here. I don't need anyones lame labels.
Eric Raymond sounds like an intelligent man, but no Obi Wan Kenobi is he.
I agree with you. What is important is what is considered open. If this license is considered to be as open as other GNU/Linux applications, this is a bad thing. Imagine Micro$oft releasing a similar license only to be able to slap the "Open Source" label on it.
PS If forced to choose sides, I would side with Bruce Perens NOT ESR! Admittedly, I don't know all the details, but there is something about ESR that makes me feel uneasy.
Where were you Brad Pitt? Probably busy ridiculing other people's superficial qualities while the geeks are busy creating software for you to use. You are exactly the type of person that should be charged double. Kindly go f**k yourself!
Given the larger and still growing numbers of hackers, crackers and wannabes, I don't think computing in 2020 will resemble anything like we have today. I may be wrong, but hey, I may be dead too!
If no one is making money, it sure isn't my fault. I paid $22.00 to IDG for a book with RH4.2, I paid $49.95 for the RH5.0 box set, I paid $22.00 for Sams/RH book and $17.00 to O'Reilly for a nutshell:)
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and I would almost bet money that Linux will have an easier to use desktop before Microsoft will have stability. Although...Windows2000 has been up for 90 days and counting, Yeaa. So does this mean Jesse Berst will now denounce all that is Linux and go kiss some MS butt?
I wonder how many of you know how to build a car from the ground up? Or how about a house? Using the logic of some of the /.ers, you shouldn't be driving a BMW or Mercedes unless you know how to build/repair it yourself!
BTW, does anybody else remember Linus saying about 2 years(?) ago the guy who created MIME should be shot?
(Anyone interested in buying one of those old missile silos to start a hacker utopia community, drop me a line so we can talk.)
Hey mine too, except for the decimals!
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Let me say this...I don't disagree with everything ESR says and I appreciate what he has done for Linux, but I hope his 15 minutes is almost up. Power corrupts and anyone seeking such power is probably already handicapped in that regard. What was the quote from one of the Hitchiker books, "Politicians are rarely able or competent and those that are would never be a politician" (or something like that.) The message is always more important than the messenger. I am not saying ESR should run and hide, just be aware that he is under the microscope and following his own statements, this community won't put up with baloney.
Maybe I read into this more because of recent events, but here goes my logic. I find this to be a recipe of how to become a tribal elder. Saying that visibly reaching for fame is dangerous; the keyword being visibly. Saying you have to sort of position yourself so it drops in your lap suggests a premeditated attempt to gain this fame or power. My point is Linus is a hero because he did exactly what you said, ESR sounds like he had the intentions of being a hero and that writing software was the way he was going to enable that.
I read this before ESR was the "spokesperson" for the free or open source movement. I thought it was crap then and I feel it is crap now. Here comes a clue: If you need to read how to be a hacker, you will never be a true hacker. I will give him credit for stating a lot of true things, but some of it is pure shit. For example:
"If you aren't the kind of person that feels this way naturally, you'll need to become one in order to make it as a hacker. Otherwise you'll find your hacking energy is
sapped by distractions like sex, money, and social approval."
Words fail me.
And this is the best yet:
"Beware: hackers distrust blatant ego in their tribal elders, so visibly reaching for this kind of fame is dangerous. Rather
than striving for it, you have to sort of position yourself so it drops in your lap, and then be modest and gracious about your status."
Maybe ESR should take some of his own advice. So what he is saying is, "instead of being open about my agenda, I should be sneaky and underhanded and usurp the power of the leaders...yes,yes this will work!" I think he should have said that the community will decide who their leaders are and consider yourself lucky if you are appointed. Maybe that should be unlucky because you will undoubtedly be torn limb from limb by some luser on Slashdot;-)
I think this man is as contrived as anyone using this article would be. The way he talks about if you are in the culture and if you are called a hacker, than you *are* a hacker makes me ill. Yeah man, I want to be in the *in* crowd!?! I have always been an outsider and will always be an outsider. The view is much better and there is a lot more room and freedom out here. I don't need anyones lame labels.
Eric Raymond sounds like an intelligent man, but no Obi Wan Kenobi is he.
I agree with you. What is important is what is considered open. If this license is considered to be as open as other GNU/Linux applications, this is a bad thing. Imagine Micro$oft releasing a similar license only to be able to slap the "Open Source" label on it.
PS If forced to choose sides, I would side with Bruce Perens NOT ESR! Admittedly, I don't know all the details, but there is something about ESR that makes me feel uneasy.
Where were you Brad Pitt? Probably busy ridiculing other people's superficial qualities while the geeks are busy creating software for you to use. You are exactly the type of person that should be charged double. Kindly go f**k yourself!
Given the larger and still growing numbers of hackers, crackers and wannabes, I don't think computing in 2020 will resemble anything like we have today. I may be wrong, but hey, I may be dead too!
My 2 sense
If no one is making money, it sure isn't my fault. I paid $22.00 to IDG for a book with RH4.2, I paid $49.95 for the RH5.0 box set, I paid $22.00 for Sams/RH book and $17.00 to O'Reilly for a nutshell:)