You claim that California (pop 36,961,664), Texas (pop 24,782,302), and New York (pop 19,541,453) are the states which define what goes into textbooks.
Entertaining this claim as being true, we see that TWO highly liberal states (California and New York) are also warping what goes into text books.
I'm pretty sure that regardless of which state you were educated in, that 2 is greater than 1, and that 56 million is greater than 25 million.
So what we've got here is Texas moving to remove the liberal bias from the textbooks forced upon them by California and New York. Remember that we have assumed that publishers put bias in the text books to garner favor from these 3 states, ergo the bias that we must conclude is already there, is currently very liberal.
Now, you were saying about Texas being a problem? Its only a problem if you want to maintain the bias. Its not a problem if you want things to be more centrist. We as a nation benefit if Texas gets changes made, and are harmed if California blocks those changes.
They are thinking "I know how to do X, but I dont know how to do Y. Even though X is way worse than Y, I don't want to spend the time learning how to do Y, so I'm going to do X"
i could take the simple if construct you belittled
Thats very telling. PHP is so niche that when someone posts PHP statements, its considered to be belittling PHP by default.
The intention clearly was not meant to belittle PHP, but simply to stress its niche nature. Its a fucking niche language. Get fucking over it. Plenty of people use niche languages to good effect. Knowing that the language is niche does not take away from its usefulness within the niche. Being embarrassed by the niche nature of PHP is very telling about your own confidence in your own abilities.
There may have been some nice capabilities of the video hardware of the IIgs, but the thing was dog slow, so for pratical graphics hacking and making.. you know.. graphical programs, it was kind of a joke.
Nintendo didn't agree with you when they settled on the same processor for the the SNES over 4 years after the IIgs was released.
Of course there are problems with this sort of approach. Most current games are not very well threaded - they have a small number of threads that will run poorly on an in order CPU. So if the only chip you had was a Larrabee and it was both a CPU and a GPU the GPU part would be well balanced across multiple cores. The CPU part would likely not. You have to wonder about memory bandwidth too.
I believe that it was in fact memory bandwidth which killed larrabee. A GPU's memory controller is nothing like a CPU's memory controller, so trying to make a many-core CPU behave like a GPU while still also behaving like a CPU just doesnt work very well.
Modern good performing GPU's require the memory controller be specifically tailored to filling large cache blocks. Latency isnt that big of an issue. The GPU is likely to need the entire cache line, so latency is sacrificed for more bandwidth. The latency is amortized over many many operations.
CPU's on the other hand require the memory controller be tailored to filling small cache blocks. Latency is a big issue. The CPU may only want or need 4 bytes from that cache line, so latency can't be sacrificed for bandwidth. The latency may not be amortized over many operations.
The IIgs's 3200 color mode literally had a unique 16 color palette for each and every scanline, hence 16 * 200 = 3200.
HAM had a 16 color (4-bit) palette for the entire screen, and then a pixel (which were 6-bit, not 4-bit) could be flagged to be a modification of the previous (from the scanline above) pixel color. HAM mode was an ugly thing to program for and was certainly not suitable for efficient rendering.
The IIgs thrived on its per-scanline capabilities. Each scanline could literally have a different palette and resolution.
It was lacking a blitter chip so was deficient compared to the amiga in 2D sprite based stuff, but it was much better at vector and 3D rendering (because of its Fill Mode) than the Amiga.
It also had 32 channel mono wavetable synthesis (16 stereo), compared to Amiga's 4 pannable mono channels.
So no, the Amiga was not way ahead of the pack in capabilities. The Amiga was good, but it really wasn't as special as Amiga users made it out to be. The Amiga had a much bigger install base so got a lot more games written for it. Apple was playing two-faced during this period, pushing the Mac instead of the IIgs.
As for Amiga versus PC versus Mac, it took them about 10 years to match Amiga's hardware and preemptive multitasking ability (Win95 and OS X).
Ummm... no.
It took 10 years for Windows to do it, but there were more than a couple preemptive multi-taskers even before Windows 3.1 for the PC, such as Double Dos.
You formerly Amiga-only folks dont seem to know what was going on in the PC world back then.
Indeed. And with the massive size of drives these days, its not uncommon to lose other disk during the rebuild if the disks were purchased and installed at the same time. The rebuild is like the ultimate stress test. Unfortunately you are performing this test on data you were trying not to lose.
Thats why you set it up as a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Gmails and run it in RAIG-6 mode. For any given block, you can lose half of the accounts tied to them and still rebuild.
In 1986, the Amiga's graphics were the best, bar none.
Amiga's graphics were not better than the AppleIIgs's 3200 color mode.
The rest of this post about graphics is also suspect. The jump in graphics programming on the PC didnt happen because of Amiga programmers. It happened because The Programmers Guide to the EGA and VGA Cards was published.
You saw it through rose colored glasses. The color obscured reality.
Gee, IBM offers up some "best practices" for PHP and you start drooling about how great PHP is and start declaring "elitist" when it is, in fact, you who are being elitist?
Its fine for specifically a Web Development 101 class and so forth. Nobody is saying its a shit language. Its just not generally useful, only specifically useful. You take specific courses in school to learn specific domains. You don't take general courses to learn specific domains.
And I quote, "The Computing A Level is not intended as a programming course but a course that covers the fundamentals of computing of which programming (and problem solving) form a key component."
Its all fine and good to point at Java and scream "THAT THING SUCKS!" if that is your opinion, but doing so does not substantiate your original claim that references are suitable for algorithms and data structures.
You are acting desperate. Your succinct example is bullshit that only seems to effect Java (you claim that it does, anyways) but none of the other languages with reference types. Let me repeat that.. your succinct example is bullshit. It only effects Java, and otherwise does nothing to undermine the ability of all the other languages with reference types.
It looks to me like another one you missed is Delphi.
Lets not forget that VB6 had references (fuck! thats on their list too!), oh, and QuickBasic before it.
So what this all comes down to is that you are ignorant. You decided that none of those languages support a swap() procedure, without knowing jack shit about them.
But hey.. at least you've got your Java gripe (assuming its true.. is it, Mr Ignorant?)
He had a third program (steam) which *prevented* him from running those programs, which he owned, in the compatibility mode they required, on his own machine.
Wrong.
Steam simply should not have been selling those games, and low and behold when informed of the problem, they removed the games from sale.. AND REFUNDED HIS MONEY. He did not own the games after all.
If I can't buy a game outside the steam system then arguing I somehow paid less for it to compensate me for my reduced rights is meaningless.
No, you are arguing that you DID buy them outside the steam system but still needed steam and THAT is your beef. Essentially, you picked the worst possible route to get a steam game.
When you buy a game FROM steam, you EXPECT to be able to pay less.. and that is the case.. there are always great deals on steam that you just don't find in B&M stores. You could have paid less, but you elected not to. Sounds like you are a moron.
Why the restriction to Java? I don't know Java and suspect that if there is a problem doing it, its through artificial restrictions imposed by purism ("procedures shouldn't modify their parameters").
C#:
void swap(out int x, out int y) { int temp = x; x = y; y = temp; }
And then there is VB.NET:
sub swap(byref x As integer, byref y As integer) dim tmp As integer = x x = y y = tmp end sub
If freaking visual basic can do it, what the hell do you think is special about C in this regard? Nice job cherry picking Java tho.
C may not be the most common language in the industry, but it gives you a great foundation in understanding what actually happens inside all those object, libraries and frameworks.
You are just another guy that thinks pointers are special (that's C's only low level feature.) Don't kid yourself.
The last thing you need to know about is pointers if you want to understand the stuff you listed. What you need to concern yourself with is the algorithms and data structures employed, to that end references are as good as pointers.
I am telling you this as an assembly language programmer, so don't for a second think that I am brushing off pointers as not useful. I just know that they do NOT offer insight into the things you listed.
Hmm, anything that can compile to.NET's MSIL should support 64-bit. I suspect the problem isn't a lack of a 64-bit compiler, that its instead a lack of a 64-bit standard library.
Maybe someone more in tune with the issue can chime in.
it is better to teach these using a language they WILL use when they actually get into industry, than with stuff they may rarely come up against.
You sound as if you believe that they will be using C and PHP in the industry.
While both C and PHP have strong roles in the industry, they have become narrow use languages. The overlap with other languages favors those other languages in nearly every case. For example, I don't look for a C programmer when I need database work done, even though C is certainly more than capable.
But if you can program in C you are wasting your time with Pascal.
Explain that to the programmers that went from Pascal to C, said "WTF THIS SUCKS", and moved back to Pascal and then on to Delphi when it hit the shelves.
Any programmer worth his salt will tell you that you are fucking stupid to suggest that software should *support* being run with arbitrary compatibility shims, which intentionally cause non-standard behavior that last seen over 10 years ago, between it and the OS.
Some complex programs require compatibility shims. Some complex programs do not. Some morons see evil everywhere, even when they have no fucking idea what they are talking about.
Steam isnt the problem here. That game that requires that the OS emulate bugs from over a decade ago is the problem here.
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You claim that California (pop 36,961,664), Texas (pop 24,782,302), and New York (pop 19,541,453) are the states which define what goes into textbooks.
Entertaining this claim as being true, we see that TWO highly liberal states (California and New York) are also warping what goes into text books.
I'm pretty sure that regardless of which state you were educated in, that 2 is greater than 1, and that 56 million is greater than 25 million.
So what we've got here is Texas moving to remove the liberal bias from the textbooks forced upon them by California and New York. Remember that we have assumed that publishers put bias in the text books to garner favor from these 3 states, ergo the bias that we must conclude is already there, is currently very liberal.
Now, you were saying about Texas being a problem? Its only a problem if you want to maintain the bias. Its not a problem if you want things to be more centrist. We as a nation benefit if Texas gets changes made, and are harmed if California blocks those changes.
What are these idiots thinking?
They are thinking "I know how to do X, but I dont know how to do Y. Even though X is way worse than Y, I don't want to spend the time learning how to do Y, so I'm going to do X"
i could take the simple if construct you belittled
Thats very telling. PHP is so niche that when someone posts PHP statements, its considered to be belittling PHP by default.
The intention clearly was not meant to belittle PHP, but simply to stress its niche nature. Its a fucking niche language. Get fucking over it. Plenty of people use niche languages to good effect. Knowing that the language is niche does not take away from its usefulness within the niche. Being embarrassed by the niche nature of PHP is very telling about your own confidence in your own abilities.
There may have been some nice capabilities of the video hardware of the IIgs, but the thing was dog slow, so for pratical graphics hacking and making .. you know.. graphical programs, it was kind of a joke.
Nintendo didn't agree with you when they settled on the same processor for the the SNES over 4 years after the IIgs was released.
Of course there are problems with this sort of approach. Most current games are not very well threaded - they have a small number of threads that will run poorly on an in order CPU. So if the only chip you had was a Larrabee and it was both a CPU and a GPU the GPU part would be well balanced across multiple cores. The CPU part would likely not. You have to wonder about memory bandwidth too.
I believe that it was in fact memory bandwidth which killed larrabee. A GPU's memory controller is nothing like a CPU's memory controller, so trying to make a many-core CPU behave like a GPU while still also behaving like a CPU just doesnt work very well.
Modern good performing GPU's require the memory controller be specifically tailored to filling large cache blocks. Latency isnt that big of an issue. The GPU is likely to need the entire cache line, so latency is sacrificed for more bandwidth. The latency is amortized over many many operations.
CPU's on the other hand require the memory controller be tailored to filling small cache blocks. Latency is a big issue. The CPU may only want or need 4 bytes from that cache line, so latency can't be sacrificed for bandwidth. The latency may not be amortized over many operations.
No, it was not like HAM mode.
The IIgs's 3200 color mode literally had a unique 16 color palette for each and every scanline, hence 16 * 200 = 3200.
HAM had a 16 color (4-bit) palette for the entire screen, and then a pixel (which were 6-bit, not 4-bit) could be flagged to be a modification of the previous (from the scanline above) pixel color. HAM mode was an ugly thing to program for and was certainly not suitable for efficient rendering.
The IIgs thrived on its per-scanline capabilities. Each scanline could literally have a different palette and resolution.
It was lacking a blitter chip so was deficient compared to the amiga in 2D sprite based stuff, but it was much better at vector and 3D rendering (because of its Fill Mode) than the Amiga.
It also had 32 channel mono wavetable synthesis (16 stereo), compared to Amiga's 4 pannable mono channels.
So no, the Amiga was not way ahead of the pack in capabilities. The Amiga was good, but it really wasn't as special as Amiga users made it out to be. The Amiga had a much bigger install base so got a lot more games written for it. Apple was playing two-faced during this period, pushing the Mac instead of the IIgs.
As for Amiga versus PC versus Mac, it took them about 10 years to match Amiga's hardware and preemptive multitasking ability (Win95 and OS X).
Ummm... no.
It took 10 years for Windows to do it, but there were more than a couple preemptive multi-taskers even before Windows 3.1 for the PC, such as Double Dos.
You formerly Amiga-only folks dont seem to know what was going on in the PC world back then.
Indeed. And with the massive size of drives these days, its not uncommon to lose other disk during the rebuild if the disks were purchased and installed at the same time. The rebuild is like the ultimate stress test. Unfortunately you are performing this test on data you were trying not to lose.
Thats why you set it up as a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Gmails and run it in RAIG-6 mode. For any given block, you can lose half of the accounts tied to them and still rebuild.
In 1986, the Amiga's graphics were the best, bar none.
Amiga's graphics were not better than the AppleIIgs's 3200 color mode.
The rest of this post about graphics is also suspect. The jump in graphics programming on the PC didnt happen because of Amiga programmers. It happened because The Programmers Guide to the EGA and VGA Cards was published.
You saw it through rose colored glasses. The color obscured reality.
..not something that you perform math on.
Gee, IBM offers up some "best practices" for PHP and you start drooling about how great PHP is and start declaring "elitist" when it is, in fact, you who are being elitist?
Its fine for specifically a Web Development 101 class and so forth. Nobody is saying its a shit language. Its just not generally useful, only specifically useful. You take specific courses in school to learn specific domains. You don't take general courses to learn specific domains.
And I quote, "The Computing A Level is not intended as a programming course but a course that covers the fundamentals of computing of which programming (and problem solving) form a key component."
PHP is a horrible language for this course.
There you are cherry picking Java again.
Its all fine and good to point at Java and scream "THAT THING SUCKS!" if that is your opinion, but doing so does not substantiate your original claim that references are suitable for algorithms and data structures.
You are acting desperate. Your succinct example is bullshit that only seems to effect Java (you claim that it does, anyways) but none of the other languages with reference types. Let me repeat that.. your succinct example is bullshit. It only effects Java, and otherwise does nothing to undermine the ability of all the other languages with reference types.
It looks to me like another one you missed is Delphi.
Lets not forget that VB6 had references (fuck! thats on their list too!), oh, and QuickBasic before it.
So what this all comes down to is that you are ignorant. You decided that none of those languages support a swap() procedure, without knowing jack shit about them.
But hey.. at least you've got your Java gripe (assuming its true.. is it, Mr Ignorant?)
ah well, perhaps. Not really all that up with the language. Just enough to get my feet wet.
He had a third program (steam) which *prevented* him from running those programs, which he owned, in the compatibility mode they required, on his own machine.
Wrong.
Steam simply should not have been selling those games, and low and behold when informed of the problem, they removed the games from sale.. AND REFUNDED HIS MONEY. He did not own the games after all.
Were you considered a "slow" child in school?
If I can't buy a game outside the steam system then arguing I somehow paid less for it to compensate me for my reduced rights is meaningless.
No, you are arguing that you DID buy them outside the steam system but still needed steam and THAT is your beef. Essentially, you picked the worst possible route to get a steam game.
When you buy a game FROM steam, you EXPECT to be able to pay less.. and that is the case.. there are always great deals on steam that you just don't find in B&M stores. You could have paid less, but you elected not to. Sounds like you are a moron.
it is as narrow as the web.
If ($purpose == "web development") {echo "maybe use php";} else {echo "php is the wrong language";}
Thats the fucking definition of narrow use. Spare us your myopic web developer view of the industry.
C#:
And then there is VB.NET:
If freaking visual basic can do it, what the hell do you think is special about C in this regard? Nice job cherry picking Java tho.
C may not be the most common language in the industry, but it gives you a great foundation in understanding what actually happens inside all those object, libraries and frameworks.
You are just another guy that thinks pointers are special (that's C's only low level feature.) Don't kid yourself.
The last thing you need to know about is pointers if you want to understand the stuff you listed. What you need to concern yourself with is the algorithms and data structures employed, to that end references are as good as pointers.
I am telling you this as an assembly language programmer, so don't for a second think that I am brushing off pointers as not useful. I just know that they do NOT offer insight into the things you listed.
Hmm, anything that can compile to .NET's MSIL should support 64-bit. I suspect the problem isn't a lack of a 64-bit compiler, that its instead a lack of a 64-bit standard library.
Maybe someone more in tune with the issue can chime in.
it is better to teach these using a language they WILL use when they actually get into industry, than with stuff they may rarely come up against.
You sound as if you believe that they will be using C and PHP in the industry.
While both C and PHP have strong roles in the industry, they have become narrow use languages. The overlap with other languages favors those other languages in nearly every case. For example, I don't look for a C programmer when I need database work done, even though C is certainly more than capable.
When I was 17, that would have been me.
By that time, 6502 and 8086.
But if you can program in C you are wasting your time with Pascal.
Explain that to the programmers that went from Pascal to C, said "WTF THIS SUCKS", and moved back to Pascal and then on to Delphi when it hit the shelves.
You have failed to the knowledge gambit.
Any programmer worth his salt will tell you that you are fucking stupid to suggest that software should *support* being run with arbitrary compatibility shims, which intentionally cause non-standard behavior that last seen over 10 years ago, between it and the OS.
Some complex programs require compatibility shims. Some complex programs do not. Some morons see evil everywhere, even when they have no fucking idea what they are talking about.
Steam isnt the problem here. That game that requires that the OS emulate bugs from over a decade ago is the problem here.