From my experience, this is the most commonly sited perk of VB. It's something that you've been able to do for darn near any language for a long time- GUI designers really aren't new, and VB doesn't even have the best one available.
The frequency that I see people cite the GUI designer as the major benefit to VB makes me think that most folks- especially the types of people on/.- seem to be stuck in the past, coding all of their GUIs manually. I know that the development setup is generally some years behind for most Linux developers compared to your average coder on Windows or Mac OS X, and that there are fewer good and polished tools on Linux. But still- there are free GUI designers for GTK+, FLTK, Qt and Motif. And for just about any other toolkit and language. Do people not use these?
That said, tools like VB and RealBasic (with which I've more experience than VB) are RADs for more than just a GUI designer. Using Glade for a C/GTK+ app won't make you as productive as a seasoned VB coder for simple app development, but it will shave off some time spent coding the GUI programatically.
But there are options, and some darn good ones on, for Linux:
Prima: a new GUI toolkit for perl- including a really nice RAD GUI builder- for Linux, OS/2 and Windows.
Squeak Smalltalk: Runs on just about every platform. Uses a seperate GUI toolkit, but affords a huge amount of power and ease of development.
RealBasic: A cross-platform VB clone for Mac OS Classic/X, Windows and Linux. *Really* nice. Costs money, but it's worth it.
RunTime Revolution: Has a HyperTalk-like language and runs almost anywhere....and others. But those are some that embody the feeling of a RAD IDE like VB. That is, they do more than just add a GUI designer.
I second this. #develop is nice- you can dev for VB.NET or C#, and probably any other language that is hosted on.NET. Between it and the free MS SDK, it's all you need to start learning and coding for Windows- and Mono!
If someone is already willing to try Visual Studio, then I don't understand why they'd be afraid of Passport.
!@$!!!
Because if you use Passport, then M$ will track you all over teh internet!! They will install a new BIOS and sniff your packets until they manipulate you into usign C# and Longhorn and fucking the dead corpose of Linux while you sing the Hymn to Gates! THEY HAVE THAT POWER! And only you can prevent it, by not signing up at hotmail!@$!
It's a shame they can't just sell consumers vials of the aroma-concentrate... With such great hits as Dinosaur, Mummy, Man-o-war, Rope, Sweaty Feet, Wild Stag, Ships Cannon, Volcano, Victorian Leather (they sell a regular Leather, too), Old Man (= Old Smithy), and many others. I WANT! What do half of those things smell like?
I think that it is probable (and clearly this is the case with the Judge) that most people think of IP addresses like phone numbers, which of course is not the case.
Crap, you're right. Maybe this is *my* fault!
I work a university helpdesk. And when non-savvy people call, I often use a metaphor- IP as phone-number, DNS server as phonebook, hostname as real name in phonebook- to describe why something isn't jiving on their computer. Maybe this judge called me up at some point. Whoops, sorry guys!
Oh well, I hope this breaks the internet. I'm sick of the internet.
Would you like to join my renegade interweb? That's what call it. The interweb. But unlike when most people use that term, it's really what it's called. Or I3, both are ok./me hands jakt a pamphlet
What does the bible have to do with GWB II's lies?
There are two ways to answer that question.
1. Read what I said in my post- I said GWB ][ was kept honest by the bible. Anyone who has any experience with Judeo-Christian traditions should know that lying is a sin. The irony in this would be that most folks who follow some Judeo-Christian tradition lie on occasion, some quite a bit.
2. Or: GWB ][ may lie intentionally, but feel he's justified. GWB ][ feels that he is on a mission from God, so his lies are in the best interest of himself, his party, his country, etc etc- or so he believes.
Bush II - maybe he really believes what he says. One of the worst 3 presidents in US history.
From what I've read, he really does believe what he says. The Rich are better, and he's on a Mission from God. Folks in the White House call him and Ashcroft the "Blues Brothers," because they are both convinced they have been sent on a mission from God to clense the US of A.
These people have a political agenda, and have no concern for the truth whatsoever.
That's because most people in the US are intelligent enough to know that most of those people are full of bull. And those that listen to these people agree with anything they say, regardless of how factual it is. There is a small minority- made of masochistic liberals who read this crap [1] and more intelligent conservatives that want the case for conservatism made on a foundation of actual facts and sound logic.
Then there are some who are simply amused that folks with charisma- but few facts- can haul so many people. Kind of reminds them of Hitler, watching Nazi propaganda films, but without feeling so dirty over it.
[1] masochistic because it causes frustration with no pay off. No matter what, the people you mention and the folks who listen to them in ernest will never be swayed with any sort of logical argument. It is an exercise in futility.
If you'll see the film, you'll be able to pick some out easily. It's only super neo-cons who are so blinded by their anger that they assume that this liberal rabblerouser means every word he says. It makes it easier to hate him that way.
A damn shame, huh? It's a good thing we conservatives do naught *but* tell the truth! And if, for some wild reason, we don't always stick to the facts (unheard of!), we always make sure to point out where our lies are.
Thank God for the Bible! It's kept GWB II the most honest guy there is, even after the White House was tainted with the evil liberal lies of the previous 8 years! Imagine all of the lies that W could be telling- but we can be sure he never does thanks to that little black Book.
The ones who aren't lazy are too busy reading slash dot.
Umm... I'm not sure in what world you live, but Slashdot isn't the meeting place for the world's best and most ambitious programmers. *We* are the lazy ones, reading/. when we should be working.
After reading Kim Stanly Robinson's Red Mars I thought about this a lot. I considered whether or not I'd go to Mars if I had the chance, assuming it meant it was a one-way trip, with a high likelyhood that I would die on Mars, on account of the radiation. Not sure why I had this stuck in my head, there are ways to shield the radiation. But I think I'd do it, though not at this point in my life... I'd have to be older.
With an 80% chance of survival... I think I'd do it now, as long as my S.O. could go with me, and I think she would. As for 50%... well, let's just say that I'd wait a little while longer until the odds got better.:)
If you've not read Red Mars, as well as the rest of the series (Green Mars, Blue Mars) I highly reccomend it. KSR is on comissions at NASA and elsewhere for Mars colonization. He certainly knows what he's talking about. The really great thing about Red Mars is that it is very, very realistic- there isn't a lot that we couldn't do now with the right resources. When you read a book that is *so* close to what we could achieve now, it really makes you think, and makes you wish you could be one of the First Hundren.:)
What do you mean? I took your comment to mean that licensing of innovations and new technology is not in Sony's past. If that is what you mean, you seem to be mistaken; Sony licensed Beta to other companies, and have since licensed other technologies of theirs. Sony killed Betamax, but not by not licensing it to others.
I just had some funky on-board 486 thing. I can't remember what it was now, but a cheapo generic video chip for a cheapo Acer computer. When I finally got X working, it was under RedHat 3; before that I'd always used Slackware [1]. I had this awesome 6-CD set I got from a Hamfest with Debian, Debian-JP, RedHat, Slack and some other stuff. FUN! Sure as hell beat downloading the Slackware disksets (a1.tgz anyone?) from fake AOL accounts...:)
[1] In my early teens I was a SubGenius, like any good nerdling- a SubGenius OS? Geeze, of course I'd use Slack!:)
Hey man, preaching to the choir. I didn't say that Hurd was inherently flawed by the microkernel, just saying that what Hurd has isn't useful to us right now, and what it lacks makes a big dent in its usefulness.
Or, they could just use the drugs we have now. A lot cheaper. And they'd be a lot easier to get a hold of- simple drugs vs rare, expensive, hi-tech nanos. And just as effective, at least as far as stimulating pain, pleasure, etc.
The lifespan thing would be a use, although you don't say how. Killing random cells would nudge their lifespan up? Or where do you get this idea?
One of the biggest issues with Hurd does not seem to be the basic OS architecture, but rather the lack of support for various file systems, devices, PPP etc.
Umm, so, in other words, Hurd has some stuff from CS textbooks, but nothing very practical. Man, it's a wonder no one uses it!
I don't know about you, but while "googling" may have been just manually looking around FTP sites, I was using archie back in 92-93. And veronica, to search Gopher sites, some of which had information pointing to FTP sites or containing the files themselves. Things weren't *that* primitive in 92-93.
I can't say I got X11 to run until 95-96, which my hardware was supported. Didn't have the money to go out and buy a specifically supported video card. Alas. I used to run DesqView/X though, which kicked some butt.
I be installing the wrong stuff, but most apps seem to work fine on 10.1 and 10.2- at least here at work were we've not gotten around to installing the 10.3 updates. Not much will run on 10.0 or the public beta, but 10.3 requirements seem quite rare.
Windows RDP is mainly used to deploy applications to users with those applications running on the server instead of on the client machine.
I can't say I've read up on whatever marketing material MS has, but that really isn't strictly the case. A single-user RDP server comes with XP and is used by a good number of savvy XP users. Nor can Win RDP export individual applications ala Citrix or X11, at least not how I've seen it configured; though if one can do that, I'd love to know how, as it'd be darn useful.
DS9 is indeed the closest thing to Babylon 5 as Star Trek has ever had. But B5 is a lot better than DS9 at what DS9 and B5 do. Babylon 5 has the story and the character development, but without that crap about the linear phase inverters. B5 is very low on inconsistent Trek technobabble, and the technology is (at least, human technology) is *very* realistic, and much of it possible, with the exception of that whole hyperspace thing.
One of the things I like most about B5 is that is consistent. And the writers pay attention to what happened before, etc etc. I have seen countless episodes of Trek- of all kinds- where some solution in a previous episode would've fixed their problem, but something new and just as silly is thunk up.
That said, I love Trek. Not quite as much as B5, but largely in a different way. Esp TOS and TNG. But no Trek series is anywhere near the power of the B5 story arc, no Trek captivates and brings real interest in the characters quite like B5.
So, the idea of JMS behind a new Trek series... Damn. Let's just say that when my girlfriend sent me that scifi.com link I was excited indeed.
Then keep on using your old versions. I know folks still using 10.1 and 10.2. I'd certainly upgrade to 10.2, but 10.3... If it's just a glorified SP, then skip it. No one is making you buy a new OS- nor are they making you upgrade your ARD. If the old one works... USE IT! It has nothing to do with being poorly informed. Since when has Apple had evil applications that expired when a new version came out, forcing you to upgrade whether or not you want to or have the money, why would you assume they would start with that policy now?
Slashdot Mirror
In the future, maybe a better analogy would be something like IP address == GPS and DNS == city map (street name to physical location).
:P
Sorry, but try again. Already too confusing and technical for my users.
particularly the GUI-drawing system
/.- seem to be stuck in the past, coding all of their GUIs manually. I know that the development setup is generally some years behind for most Linux developers compared to your average coder on Windows or Mac OS X, and that there are fewer good and polished tools on Linux. But still- there are free GUI designers for GTK+, FLTK, Qt and Motif. And for just about any other toolkit and language. Do people not use these?
...and others. But those are some that embody the feeling of a RAD IDE like VB. That is, they do more than just add a GUI designer.
From my experience, this is the most commonly sited perk of VB. It's something that you've been able to do for darn near any language for a long time- GUI designers really aren't new, and VB doesn't even have the best one available.
The frequency that I see people cite the GUI designer as the major benefit to VB makes me think that most folks- especially the types of people on
That said, tools like VB and RealBasic (with which I've more experience than VB) are RADs for more than just a GUI designer. Using Glade for a C/GTK+ app won't make you as productive as a seasoned VB coder for simple app development, but it will shave off some time spent coding the GUI programatically.
But there are options, and some darn good ones on, for Linux:
Prima: a new GUI toolkit for perl- including a really nice RAD GUI builder- for Linux, OS/2 and Windows.
Squeak Smalltalk: Runs on just about every platform. Uses a seperate GUI toolkit, but affords a huge amount of power and ease of development.
RealBasic: A cross-platform VB clone for Mac OS Classic/X, Windows and Linux. *Really* nice. Costs money, but it's worth it.
RunTime Revolution: Has a HyperTalk-like language and runs almost anywhere.
I second this. #develop is nice- you can dev for VB.NET or C#, and probably any other language that is hosted on .NET. Between it and the free MS SDK, it's all you need to start learning and coding for Windows- and Mono!
If someone is already willing to try Visual Studio, then I don't understand why they'd be afraid of Passport.
!@$!!!
Because if you use Passport, then M$ will track you all over teh internet!! They will install a new BIOS and sniff your packets until they manipulate you into usign C# and Longhorn and fucking the dead corpose of Linux while you sing the Hymn to Gates! THEY HAVE THAT POWER! And only you can prevent it, by not signing up at hotmail!@$!
It's a shame they can't just sell consumers vials of the aroma-concentrate... With such great hits as Dinosaur, Mummy, Man-o-war, Rope, Sweaty Feet, Wild Stag, Ships Cannon, Volcano, Victorian Leather (they sell a regular Leather, too), Old Man (= Old Smithy), and many others. I WANT! What do half of those things smell like?
I think that it is probable (and clearly this is the case with the Judge) that most people think of IP addresses like phone numbers, which of course is not the case.
Crap, you're right. Maybe this is *my* fault!
I work a university helpdesk. And when non-savvy people call, I often use a metaphor- IP as phone-number, DNS server as phonebook, hostname as real name in phonebook- to describe why something isn't jiving on their computer. Maybe this judge called me up at some point. Whoops, sorry guys!
Oh well, I hope this breaks the internet. I'm sick of the internet.
/me hands jakt a pamphlet
Would you like to join my renegade interweb? That's what call it. The interweb. But unlike when most people use that term, it's really what it's called. Or I3, both are ok.
What does the bible have to do with GWB II's lies?
There are two ways to answer that question.
1. Read what I said in my post- I said GWB ][ was kept honest by the bible. Anyone who has any experience with Judeo-Christian traditions should know that lying is a sin. The irony in this would be that most folks who follow some Judeo-Christian tradition lie on occasion, some quite a bit.
2. Or: GWB ][ may lie intentionally, but feel he's justified. GWB ][ feels that he is on a mission from God, so his lies are in the best interest of himself, his party, his country, etc etc- or so he believes.
Bush II - maybe he really believes what he says. One of the worst 3 presidents in US history.
From what I've read, he really does believe what he says. The Rich are better, and he's on a Mission from God. Folks in the White House call him and Ashcroft the "Blues Brothers," because they are both convinced they have been sent on a mission from God to clense the US of A.
These people have a political agenda, and have no concern for the truth whatsoever.
That's because most people in the US are intelligent enough to know that most of those people are full of bull. And those that listen to these people agree with anything they say, regardless of how factual it is. There is a small minority- made of masochistic liberals who read this crap [1] and more intelligent conservatives that want the case for conservatism made on a foundation of actual facts and sound logic.
Then there are some who are simply amused that folks with charisma- but few facts- can haul so many people. Kind of reminds them of Hitler, watching Nazi propaganda films, but without feeling so dirty over it.
[1] masochistic because it causes frustration with no pay off. No matter what, the people you mention and the folks who listen to them in ernest will never be swayed with any sort of logical argument. It is an exercise in futility.
If you'll see the film, you'll be able to pick some out easily. It's only super neo-cons who are so blinded by their anger that they assume that this liberal rabblerouser means every word he says. It makes it easier to hate him that way.
A damn shame, huh? It's a good thing we conservatives do naught *but* tell the truth! And if, for some wild reason, we don't always stick to the facts (unheard of!), we always make sure to point out where our lies are.
Thank God for the Bible! It's kept GWB II the most honest guy there is, even after the White House was tainted with the evil liberal lies of the previous 8 years! Imagine all of the lies that W could be telling- but we can be sure he never does thanks to that little black Book.
Praise Jesus!
The ones who aren't lazy are too busy reading slash dot.
/. when we should be working.
Umm... I'm not sure in what world you live, but Slashdot isn't the meeting place for the world's best and most ambitious programmers. *We* are the lazy ones, reading
After reading Kim Stanly Robinson's Red Mars I thought about this a lot. I considered whether or not I'd go to Mars if I had the chance, assuming it meant it was a one-way trip, with a high likelyhood that I would die on Mars, on account of the radiation. Not sure why I had this stuck in my head, there are ways to shield the radiation. But I think I'd do it, though not at this point in my life... I'd have to be older.
:)
:)
With an 80% chance of survival... I think I'd do it now, as long as my S.O. could go with me, and I think she would. As for 50%... well, let's just say that I'd wait a little while longer until the odds got better.
If you've not read Red Mars, as well as the rest of the series (Green Mars, Blue Mars) I highly reccomend it. KSR is on comissions at NASA and elsewhere for Mars colonization. He certainly knows what he's talking about. The really great thing about Red Mars is that it is very, very realistic- there isn't a lot that we couldn't do now with the right resources. When you read a book that is *so* close to what we could achieve now, it really makes you think, and makes you wish you could be one of the First Hundren.
What do you mean? I took your comment to mean that licensing of innovations and new technology is not in Sony's past. If that is what you mean, you seem to be mistaken; Sony licensed Beta to other companies, and have since licensed other technologies of theirs. Sony killed Betamax, but not by not licensing it to others.
I just had some funky on-board 486 thing. I can't remember what it was now, but a cheapo generic video chip for a cheapo Acer computer. When I finally got X working, it was under RedHat 3; before that I'd always used Slackware [1]. I had this awesome 6-CD set I got from a Hamfest with Debian, Debian-JP, RedHat, Slack and some other stuff. FUN! Sure as hell beat downloading the Slackware disksets (a1.tgz anyone?) from fake AOL accounts... :)
:)
[1] In my early teens I was a SubGenius, like any good nerdling- a SubGenius OS? Geeze, of course I'd use Slack!
Hey man, preaching to the choir. I didn't say that Hurd was inherently flawed by the microkernel, just saying that what Hurd has isn't useful to us right now, and what it lacks makes a big dent in its usefulness.
Or, they could just use the drugs we have now. A lot cheaper. And they'd be a lot easier to get a hold of- simple drugs vs rare, expensive, hi-tech nanos. And just as effective, at least as far as stimulating pain, pleasure, etc.
The lifespan thing would be a use, although you don't say how. Killing random cells would nudge their lifespan up? Or where do you get this idea?
One of the biggest issues with Hurd does not seem to be the basic OS architecture, but rather the lack of support for various file systems, devices, PPP etc.
Umm, so, in other words, Hurd has some stuff from CS textbooks, but nothing very practical. Man, it's a wonder no one uses it!
I don't know about you, but while "googling" may have been just manually looking around FTP sites, I was using archie back in 92-93. And veronica, to search Gopher sites, some of which had information pointing to FTP sites or containing the files themselves. Things weren't *that* primitive in 92-93.
I can't say I got X11 to run until 95-96, which my hardware was supported. Didn't have the money to go out and buy a specifically supported video card. Alas. I used to run DesqView/X though, which kicked some butt.
I be installing the wrong stuff, but most apps seem to work fine on 10.1 and 10.2- at least here at work were we've not gotten around to installing the 10.3 updates. Not much will run on 10.0 or the public beta, but 10.3 requirements seem quite rare.
Windows RDP is mainly used to deploy applications to users with those applications running on the server instead of on the client machine.
I can't say I've read up on whatever marketing material MS has, but that really isn't strictly the case. A single-user RDP server comes with XP and is used by a good number of savvy XP users. Nor can Win RDP export individual applications ala Citrix or X11, at least not how I've seen it configured; though if one can do that, I'd love to know how, as it'd be darn useful.
DS9 is indeed the closest thing to Babylon 5 as Star Trek has ever had. But B5 is a lot better than DS9 at what DS9 and B5 do. Babylon 5 has the story and the character development, but without that crap about the linear phase inverters. B5 is very low on inconsistent Trek technobabble, and the technology is (at least, human technology) is *very* realistic, and much of it possible, with the exception of that whole hyperspace thing.
One of the things I like most about B5 is that is consistent. And the writers pay attention to what happened before, etc etc. I have seen countless episodes of Trek- of all kinds- where some solution in a previous episode would've fixed their problem, but something new and just as silly is thunk up.
That said, I love Trek. Not quite as much as B5, but largely in a different way. Esp TOS and TNG. But no Trek series is anywhere near the power of the B5 story arc, no Trek captivates and brings real interest in the characters quite like B5.
So, the idea of JMS behind a new Trek series... Damn. Let's just say that when my girlfriend sent me that scifi.com link I was excited indeed.
And mods- this isn't flamebait. Just because you don't agree with it it doesn't mean it's a troll or flame.
Then keep on using your old versions. I know folks still using 10.1 and 10.2. I'd certainly upgrade to 10.2, but 10.3... If it's just a glorified SP, then skip it. No one is making you buy a new OS- nor are they making you upgrade your ARD. If the old one works... USE IT! It has nothing to do with being poorly informed. Since when has Apple had evil applications that expired when a new version came out, forcing you to upgrade whether or not you want to or have the money, why would you assume they would start with that policy now?