Linux needs more driver support, so I think this is a step in the right direction, but perhaps this should wait for the new version? It's kind of bad for someone to spend the effort on doing this and then have it be obsolete in a matter of weeks.
Well, I kind of assume that if this is more then a rumor, it'd be something that was developed during 2.5, not something whipped out for a frozen 2.3 and then not integrated.
I doubt Microsoft would try to improve their tcp/ip stack. Microsoft would instead realease anther FUD saying that it (Microsoft) has a better overall performance or even better stack for some obscure reason other than standard benchmarks or tests.
Redmond, WA - Today, in reponse to Linux' high performance TCP/IP stack, a Microsoft spokesperson announced that they would not be changing their software. "Suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^HConsumers are not interested in a fast TCP/IP stack. As our tradition is, we listened to the consumer and are going to provide the ability to display 92 billion shades of green. Suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^HConsumers like colors, and we feel that this continues to provide the value in our products that suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hconsumers have come to know and expect. Bill Gates had the follow to say at the press release. "I choose 92 billion because that's my personal net worth. Oh, and green because that's the color of money, and I like money."
Ok I know I shouldn't trust politicians, no one here does, but I consider Forbes to be a "cleaner" candidate because he does have his own money, and is not afraid to take a position, rather than just saying "let the market work itself out."
Forbes is probably the worst candidate of all. He "supports" big business and thinks that the anti-trust case against MS is wrong and should have never been filed. He also doesn't like "Loonix".
So, which candidate would win in a Quake III tournament? *That's* the real question that would influence the vote of many/.'ers.
Yes. Elections are silly. Just a bunch of people spending money to get the votes of groups who want more money. It is a shame.
I think we need some election reform. You have a good idea. This year, instead of voting we'll just have all the candidates duke it out in Quake III. The one that lasts the longest runs the country for 4 years.
So what you're saying is that people are too stupid to be able to make decisions for themselves. In fact, we're the ones that should be making the decisions for them? Can we say 'Big Brother' here?
As a matter of fact, consumers *are* often not knowledgable enough to make decisions for themselves. That's why organizations like the FDA and BBB were created. To make sure that the beef you bought wasn't picked up off the floor, and the business you buy from is legitimate.
Everyone has something they need to depend on others for. When I buy a house, I depend on someone else to tell me whether the house is in good shape. When my car needs work, I depend on someone else to make sure that it is fixed properly. It has nothing to do with being stupid. It has everything to do with "experts". You can't be an expert in everything.
The core issue as I see it is that consumer protection law was being used to in effect extort money from what was a completely legitimate business offer.
Microsoft applied the wrong law and got the wrong response. No surprise there. Even when that means that we're abusing a law that was originally put in place for a noble reason? Even though in this case they were offering a completely legitimate deal to the consumer?
Again, the law didn't apply to Microsoft's case. They made a legitimate mistake and consumers accepted the offer given them. You said yourself that it was "a completely legitimate deal" and Microsoft obviously felt so too. I am offered legitimate deals myself all the time, and I take advantage of them. Why should this be any different then a coupon you clip and take to the supermarket?
Let's try to win this battle on our own merits, not by beating them at their own game.
Unfortunately, sometimes merit doesn't win. In a completely perfect world, we wouldn't need to live behind locked doors. However, since there are people who would take advantage of people with unlocked doors, we are forced to play by a different set of rules.
In Microsoft's case, we know that they'll take advantage of anyone they can. Sure, we might not want to, but unless we are completely foolish we need to play by the same rules they do. If the neighbor locked their doors and ransacked your house, it wouldn't be long till you locked your doors too.
Microsoft isn't going to give up first and will keep attacking as long as we will let them. Having a good defence is nice, but having an offense is even better.
Not to mention you've taken a deal which can help the financially challenged get a computer and come into the information age, even if not a day late
No the rebated was a scam, duping unsuspecting consumers into paying way to much, for way to long, for way to slow, internet access. What happens in a year when the consumers find out about Cable Modems, but can't get them because they are still locked into MSN. Will they be happy then? How does that help people get into the internet age?
No, if consumers really want to get on the internet, they'd pay $400 *now* for a PC and then use NetZero.
Well congratulations folks - you've now managed to get the deal pulled.
Well, that's good enough for me. I thought that the deal was just duped unsuspecting consumers myself. Now that it's gone for a short time) consumers are protected from making bad, uninformed decisions.
Would the responses and the reporting have been the same if it were someone like VA or RedHat running a $400 back deal?
Something tells me it would. All those Linux haters would have had a hey-day. What can you say? Maybe it *wasn't* ethical. But if the other side would have done it to you, then why act as if you are a nice "moral" guy and let them take advantage of you? You need to take your victories too, or just give up.
I guess it's like beating up a bully. Sure it's unethical to beat someone up, but you know they are going to do it anyways. So you beat them up first to protect other innocent children.
I think there was one or two back when Microsoft was trying to create an open standard for Instant messageing, and keep AOL from owning it all.
AHEM!! I was trying to block that painful period from my memory, in an effort to believe that/. was the same as it always was. No you've made all the hurt come back...
That's funny... there doesn't appear to be any kind of RFC out there which requires CHMOD to be implemented to give you a fully-fledged FTP client.
Might I remind you, you didn't say anything about RFC's in your original post. You said: Hmmm... works just like it does on SunOS, Linux and FreeBSD as far as I could see... Well, in one easy rebuttal I proved you wrong. The Windows FTP client does not work exactly like it does on Linux. So, why not just admit you were wrong.
But I'm more interested in its capabilities and how it does the neccesary forwarding/displaying of information.
I know that for displaying Unix apps on Windows it works very Citrix-like. I'd say the other way around is probably going to be similar
The article gives the impression that _all_ Windows software will work "seamlessly". I'd say no OpenGL/DirectX stuff tends to be a pretty big seam, wouldn't you?
Not really. That's like a farmer seeing an commercial for an SUV that "has power to do anything". However, he quickly finds out that it doesn't plow fields very well. Yes, even though they both have 4 wheels and an engine the both do different things. And when Graphon says that their product seamlessly displays Windows programs remotely, they are obviously talking about a certain market segment of applications. Not everything that is made up of 1's and 0's.
We really need good Native apps. That's what we need. Not everyone wants to go through the expense of setting up some kind of "Mainframe" server for applications. Native apps. Let's code.
We may need native apps. But the fact is, there's a lot of Windows apps that can't be just dropped. We need to be able to continue to support them. And Graphon is providing a way to do that.
A couple questions, will it only link to Windows NT Server? Will this work for different hardware, such as a Linux Alpha machine running software on a Windows NT x86 machine?
Check the products page on their website. They actually have products to display applications from Unix to Windows, Unix to Java, Unix to NT. Something tells me that they'll have clients for all sorts of OS's.
You say in your interview you are soon going to have a "read-only" cvs server to post slash on. Doesn't it seem odd that a site that stands for open source to many people, won't let users contribute code? I think that the messaging system for replies to Comments is a great idea, and I would really love to help implement it, but...
No. Because the CVS repository on/. needs to be the one that Rob uses in the backend of/../. Simply isn't a resource for code development. That's what Rob is saying. Sourceforge.net or something like that would be the place to have the real development repository. All we need from Slash is the current code. Rob can then check out the patches and add to Slahs what interests him.
Come on, think of other Open Source projects. Bugzilla is open source, but they don't let everyone modify their "live" code. Why should Slash be any different?
I must have just forgotten all those pro-MS stories, that's all...and only remembered the Linux stories.
OH Man!! You mean there used to be pro MS stories on/.? The Insanity. How could that be? Oh, wait a minute, what was the last pro-MS story posted on/.?
Although the page deprecates itself, the list of one's comments available if you go to 'User Info' -- most immediately by clicking on your user name in tiny type on the front page -- also counts the responses. I check it periodically for responses to my postings.
So do I. Actually, the older comments usually are going to get any more replies so you aren't missing anything when they disappear. I am not sure getting an e-mail everytime someone replies to a post is a good idea, unless you don't post often. Otherwise, you may get a lot of e-mails.:)
The software has to run in a specific environment and meet specific needs. If they make the software truly open source, they will be inundated with dozens of patches to either generalize it or make it work in some other specific environment.
Rob doesn't have to add everyone's patches to his version. In fact, he doesn't have to add anyone's. People like what the code does, and as a community, benefit from it. That's the point of Open Source, right? Sure, the code would change to do what other people want, but there's nothing forcing the code that/. is based on to change. This would be more a hinderance than a help to Slashdot, increasing their maintenance. Sure they would have lots of help, but if you think co-ordinating that help is trivial, you're really out to lunch.
That's the point. No one is asking for Rob to be Linux Torvalds. They are just asking for the source. As soon as the source is released, then someone else can step up and take charge of coordinating it. And supporting it. And getting the/. changes integrated.
Rob just has to do a tar cvf slash and post it online. Someone else will step on and start coordinating development on sourceforge.net or something. Rob's involvement is now over, except to drop out new tarballs once in a while. Rob can there on, ignore the work, or he can keep an eye on it and see if there's anything worthwhile to add to slash. No one cares either way, I'm sure.
Ah, but you are not the intended market that Apple was looking for. Sure, you feel comfortable with a UI that allows you to do anything, but what about consumers? They want to know what will happen when they do something. Apple is big on interfaces for the consumer. This is their strength.
There's a reason there's variety. It's because what you need isn't what others need. Everyone provides something different to the market. No where should one size fit all. You use what you need. Others will use what they need and Apple will provide it for them.
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There you go. Over 5 years in the making and Microsoft *still* releases a broken OS. I just can't believe it is true...
-BrentWell, I kind of assume that if this is more then a rumor, it'd be something that was developed during 2.5, not something whipped out for a frozen 2.3 and then not integrated.
-BrentRedmond, WA - Today, in reponse to Linux' high performance TCP/IP stack, a Microsoft spokesperson announced that they would not be changing their software. "Suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^HConsumers are not interested in a fast TCP/IP stack. As our tradition is, we listened to the consumer and are going to provide the ability to display 92 billion shades of green. Suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^HConsumers like colors, and we feel that this continues to provide the value in our products that suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hconsumers have come to know and expect. Bill Gates had the follow to say at the press release. "I choose 92 billion because that's my personal net worth. Oh, and green because that's the color of money, and I like money."
-BrentForbes is probably the worst candidate of all. He "supports" big business and thinks that the anti-trust case against MS is wrong and should have never been filed. He also doesn't like "Loonix".
-BrentYes. Elections are silly. Just a bunch of people spending money to get the votes of groups who want more money. It is a shame.
I think we need some election reform. You have a good idea. This year, instead of voting we'll just have all the candidates duke it out in Quake III. The one that lasts the longest runs the country for 4 years.
-BrentAs a matter of fact, consumers *are* often not knowledgable enough to make decisions for themselves. That's why organizations like the FDA and BBB were created. To make sure that the beef you bought wasn't picked up off the floor, and the business you buy from is legitimate.
Everyone has something they need to depend on others for. When I buy a house, I depend on someone else to tell me whether the house is in good shape. When my car needs work, I depend on someone else to make sure that it is fixed properly. It has nothing to do with being stupid. It has everything to do with "experts". You can't be an expert in everything.
The core issue as I see it is that consumer protection law was being used to in effect extort money from what was a completely legitimate business offer.Microsoft applied the wrong law and got the wrong response. No surprise there. Even when that means that we're abusing a law that was originally put in place for a noble reason? Even though in this case they were offering a completely legitimate deal to the consumer?
Again, the law didn't apply to Microsoft's case. They made a legitimate mistake and consumers accepted the offer given them. You said yourself that it was "a completely legitimate deal" and Microsoft obviously felt so too. I am offered legitimate deals myself all the time, and I take advantage of them. Why should this be any different then a coupon you clip and take to the supermarket?
Let's try to win this battle on our own merits, not by beating them at their own game.Unfortunately, sometimes merit doesn't win. In a completely perfect world, we wouldn't need to live behind locked doors. However, since there are people who would take advantage of people with unlocked doors, we are forced to play by a different set of rules.
In Microsoft's case, we know that they'll take advantage of anyone they can. Sure, we might not want to, but unless we are completely foolish we need to play by the same rules they do. If the neighbor locked their doors and ransacked your house, it wouldn't be long till you locked your doors too.
Microsoft isn't going to give up first and will keep attacking as long as we will let them. Having a good defence is nice, but having an offense is even better.
-BrentNo the rebated was a scam, duping unsuspecting consumers into paying way to much, for way to long, for way to slow, internet access. What happens in a year when the consumers find out about Cable Modems, but can't get them because they are still locked into MSN. Will they be happy then? How does that help people get into the internet age?
No, if consumers really want to get on the internet, they'd pay $400 *now* for a PC and then use NetZero.
-BrentWell, that's good enough for me. I thought that the deal was just duped unsuspecting consumers myself. Now that it's gone for a short time) consumers are protected from making bad, uninformed decisions.
Would the responses and the reporting have been the same if it were someone like VA or RedHat running a $400 back deal?Something tells me it would. All those Linux haters would have had a hey-day. What can you say? Maybe it *wasn't* ethical. But if the other side would have done it to you, then why act as if you are a nice "moral" guy and let them take advantage of you? You need to take your victories too, or just give up.
I guess it's like beating up a bully. Sure it's unethical to beat someone up, but you know they are going to do it anyways. So you beat them up first to protect other innocent children.
-BrentAHEM!! I was trying to block that painful period from my memory, in an effort to believe that /. was the same as it always was. No you've made all the hurt come back...
-Brent:)
Okay, I admit it. It was totally an accident. A misstep of the fingers. A purely Freudian Slip.
I'll say 10 Hail Mary's, and 4 Abba Fathers. Whatever that is...
-BrentYeah, it's going to be awesome to see Bill Gates go from $100 Billion to a measly faction of his previous wealth. I'll be laughing so hard.
Might I remind you, you didn't say anything about RFC's in your original post. You said: Hmmm... works just like it does on SunOS, Linux and FreeBSD as far as I could see... Well, in one easy rebuttal I proved you wrong. The Windows FTP client does not work exactly like it does on Linux. So, why not just admit you were wrong.
-BrentReally? Then why do I get this when I use the Windows 98 ftp client to connect to my linux box?
ftp> chmod 644 test.php3Invalid command.
I was pretty certain that the ftp client that I was using on Linux didn't work that way.
-BrentI know that for displaying Unix apps on Windows it works very Citrix-like. I'd say the other way around is probably going to be similar
The article gives the impression that _all_ Windows software will work "seamlessly". I'd say no OpenGL/DirectX stuff tends to be a pretty big seam, wouldn't you?Not really. That's like a farmer seeing an commercial for an SUV that "has power to do anything". However, he quickly finds out that it doesn't plow fields very well. Yes, even though they both have 4 wheels and an engine the both do different things. And when Graphon says that their product seamlessly displays Windows programs remotely, they are obviously talking about a certain market segment of applications. Not everything that is made up of 1's and 0's.
-BrentBINGO!!
-BrentWhat a minute. Corel exists only to promote their product. What else did you expect them to do?
And this being a GraphOn press release don't you think they'd want to promote the fact they'll be supporting more then just one distribution?This was a joint press release between Graphon and Corel. I think all the important players were mentioned, don't you?
-Brent*smack*
Click on a few links and find out what we're talking about. Then come back and share.
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-BrentSomething is telling me that this probably is intended for business applications. Not to take the place of your playstation.
-BrentWe may need native apps. But the fact is, there's a lot of Windows apps that can't be just dropped. We need to be able to continue to support them. And Graphon is providing a way to do that.
-BrentCheck the products page on their website. They actually have products to display applications from Unix to Windows, Unix to Java, Unix to NT. Something tells me that they'll have clients for all sorts of OS's.
-BrentNo. Because the CVS repository on /. needs to be the one that Rob uses in the backend of /.. /. Simply isn't a resource for code development. That's what Rob is saying. Sourceforge.net or something like that would be the place to have the real development repository. All we need from Slash is the current code. Rob can then check out the patches and add to Slahs what interests him.
Come on, think of other Open Source projects. Bugzilla is open source, but they don't let everyone modify their "live" code. Why should Slash be any different?
-BrentOH Man!! You mean there used to be pro MS stories on /.? The Insanity. How could that be? Oh, wait a minute, what was the last pro-MS story posted on /.?
-BrentSo do I. Actually, the older comments usually are going to get any more replies so you aren't missing anything when they disappear. I am not sure getting an e-mail everytime someone replies to a post is a good idea, unless you don't post often. Otherwise, you may get a lot of e-mails. :)
-BrentSay it with me:
- Code Fork!!
Rob doesn't have to add everyone's patches to his version. In fact, he doesn't have to add anyone's. People like what the code does, and as a community, benefit from it. That's the point of Open Source, right? Sure, the code would change to do what other people want, but there's nothing forcing the code thatCode Fork!!
Code Fork!!
Code Fork!!
Code Fork!!
Code Fork!!
That's the point. No one is asking for Rob to be Linux Torvalds. They are just asking for the source. As soon as the source is released, then someone else can step up and take charge of coordinating it. And supporting it. And getting the /. changes integrated.
Rob just has to do a tar cvf slash and post it online. Someone else will step on and start coordinating development on sourceforge.net or something. Rob's involvement is now over, except to drop out new tarballs once in a while. Rob can there on, ignore the work, or he can keep an eye on it and see if there's anything worthwhile to add to slash. No one cares either way, I'm sure.
-BrentAh, but you are not the intended market that Apple was looking for. Sure, you feel comfortable with a UI that allows you to do anything, but what about consumers? They want to know what will happen when they do something. Apple is big on interfaces for the consumer. This is their strength.
There's a reason there's variety. It's because what you need isn't what others need. Everyone provides something different to the market. No where should one size fit all. You use what you need. Others will use what they need and Apple will provide it for them.
-Brent