All these arguments about what kind of license are completely off topic.
Shouldn't we be reading the other end of the whole paper here? The end that basically states the open source market will drive high end computing (which was defined in the paper as clusters or mega-SMP systems.)
Didn't anyone notice the paper basically said OSS has won the whole market?
Did anyone else notice that Microsoft was on this commitee?
The cyrix web pad is based on BSD, but is supposed to be coming out with a linux version.
Its important to note that National Semi isn't selling webpads. They sell chips that go into them. The webpad is a concept device that is complete and ready to build. I wouldn't be surprised if deep within the Freepad is design from the webpad.
1. strip any copyright that has anything to do with windows 0S or internet browsing capability.
2. Strip ALL patents obtained after the company "went too far". By removing competition, Microsoft created an environment where they have 'first look' at many technologies, and the ability to create patents prior to the competition. They should be stripped of the right to profits in any way from the monopoly.
3. Hold Microsoft financially liable to the corporations that have the ability to show unfair competition. There should be no class action on this matter. Microsoft should be forced into 6000 courtrooms at the same time if thats the number of companies that have a claim. This is the key.. Make them pay for there mistakes in a way that prevents them from continuing the same trends. Don't create 6 Microsofts that will perpetuate the philosophy.
It's interesting that the call to break-up is from Gates' own congressman. Which baby-soft would be the target of lawsuits from Corel, Caldera, Digital Research, Lotus?? This is just giving Gates and his trainee's imunity for their actions.
I use an emachine 266 (the original) and I don't see 30% loss, more like 5-10% loss. Since I never run any microsoft applications, my processor is never more than 25% full. As for connecting to other modems, I'm inferring yours aren't v.90 compliant yet.
The only problem I've had with my emachine is a noisy fan. But I had the same complaint about my Dell, and an AST. Of all the places to skimp, the cooling fan seems about the worst. It seems to be an almost industry wide problem, so I don't exactly fault emachines for it.
Did Apple license beryl blue from DuPont or 3M? You can do that, you know. I believe AST tried color cases about 10 years ago, and there are several flavors of unix which have been shipping non-khaki colors for a while. I really don't see whats unique to an Imac other than the OS, and that wasn't stolen. I hope this does go to court, but I bet apple has a plan to keep that from happening, including lowering an undisclosed license fee to ~5000.00.
When was the last time you heard about GM suing Ford because, amazingly enough, the new Ford pickup also has four wheels? or that suddenly they have 3 doors on their pickup too? or because the body panels are suddenly dent resistant plastic? Why don't they? Because it's not effective, and bad bad publicity. This is all just bloated companies scrambling for a shrinking market. Compare an apple 2 to a IBM PC, the apple 2 is a better product hands down. Which are our computers based on today? and why do you think that is? Point is that this kind of protective sueing destroys whole markets.
The whole reason I use linux is because I see signs of protectionism in software. That means in the long run I lose, because the game I want suddenly doesn't run on my PC, and I my PC suddenly stops working when I try to make it.
No IBM didn't have it exactly right with the PC. But there were so many versions out there, that IBM learned from the competition how NOT to improve. Did they learn anything from it? not immediately, but after the PS2 died, they seemed to get the hint. Imitation is a sign your doing something right, and a sure sign of continued success.
Apple should have fired those lawyers after the apple 2e failed to take over the education market. Apple would be a much bigger company if they didn't chase these dead ends. Its obvious they haven't figured it out yet, and its obvious that the genius who designed the iMac needs to find a different company to drag around. Wait a second, didn't he already do that?
What kind of standalone processing will this thing do? Handwriting/voice recognition?
Just this week I saw an ad for an AT&T Megaphone center that sounds like the DMAP system. The base system alone was 200.00, and I laughed as I turned the page. I may have to go back and reread the ad again.
This is the first close-to-production item of its kind, and its going to be big. I've been looking for one since I heard about the WEB-Pad. I work from a clip-board, and spend at least an hour a day retyping my notes into the network. The time this will save me rekeying is worth $500 in less than a month. I don't have 20/20 vision, and won't go to a screen smaller than a full size sheet of paper.
I think its great that we're hearing about Linux driven Web-Pad's coming to market before or at the same time as windows based boxes. I think that the open source movement is only beginning to show its potential in new product development, where time to market is everything.
I think within a year Microsoft will be looking for ways to turn off the software patents that keep them out of the new markets linux opens.
considering the cutthroat techniques they use, I'm not surprised if they aren't using all the passwords themselves.
It's right there in the terms of service if you read it: MEMBER PRIVACY
(...) Microsoft will not monitor, edit, or disclose any personal information... unless Microsoft has a good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (1) conform to legal requirements or comply with legal process; (2) protect and defend the rights or property of Microsoft; (3) enforce the TOS; or (4) act to protect the interests of its members or others. Microsoft does provide certain user information in aggregate form to third parties, including its advertisers, for demographics. In addition, your Internet Protocol address is transmitted with each message sent from your account. For more information, see the MSN Hotmail Privacy Statement.
Some personal information you provide to Microsoft may be stored outside of the country in which you reside.
You agree that Microsoft may access your account, including its contents, as stated above or to respond to service or technical issues.
and my memory of the hotmail license i agreed to before I discovered they were Microsoft, Its right there in the Ter wonder if they aren't giving themselves the legal right to use your passwords.
Slashdot Mirror
All these arguments about what kind of license are completely off topic. Shouldn't we be reading the other end of the whole paper here? The end that basically states the open source market will drive high end computing (which was defined in the paper as clusters or mega-SMP systems.) Didn't anyone notice the paper basically said OSS has won the whole market? Did anyone else notice that Microsoft was on this commitee?
The cyrix web pad is based on BSD, but is supposed to be coming out with a linux version.
Its important to note that National Semi isn't selling webpads. They sell chips that go into them. The webpad is a concept device that is complete and ready to build. I wouldn't be surprised if deep within the Freepad is design from the webpad.
1. strip any copyright that has anything to do with windows 0S or internet browsing capability.
2. Strip ALL patents obtained after the company "went too far". By removing competition, Microsoft created an environment where they have 'first look' at many technologies, and the ability to create patents prior to the competition. They should be stripped of the right to profits in any way from the monopoly.
3. Hold Microsoft financially liable to the corporations that have the ability to show unfair competition. There should be no class action on this matter. Microsoft should be forced into 6000 courtrooms at the same time if thats the number of companies that have a claim. This is the key.. Make them pay for there mistakes in a way that prevents them from continuing the same trends.
Don't create 6 Microsofts that will perpetuate the philosophy.
It's interesting that the call to break-up is from Gates' own congressman. Which baby-soft would be the target of lawsuits from Corel, Caldera, Digital Research, Lotus?? This is just giving Gates and his trainee's imunity for their actions.
I use an emachine 266 (the original) and I don't see 30% loss, more like 5-10% loss. Since I never run any microsoft applications, my processor is never more than 25% full. As for connecting to other modems, I'm inferring yours aren't v.90 compliant yet.
The only problem I've had with my emachine is a noisy fan. But I had the same complaint about my Dell, and an AST. Of all the places to skimp, the cooling fan seems about the worst. It seems to be an almost industry wide problem, so I don't exactly fault emachines for it.
Did Apple license beryl blue from DuPont or 3M? You can do that, you know. I believe AST tried color cases about 10 years ago, and there are several flavors of unix which have been shipping non-khaki colors for a while. I really don't see whats unique to an Imac other than the OS, and that wasn't stolen. I hope this does go to court, but I bet apple has a plan to keep that from happening, including lowering an undisclosed license fee to ~5000.00.
When was the last time you heard about GM suing Ford because, amazingly enough, the new Ford pickup also has four wheels? or that suddenly they have 3 doors on their pickup too? or because the body panels are suddenly dent resistant plastic? Why don't they? Because it's not effective, and bad bad publicity. This is all just bloated companies scrambling for a shrinking market. Compare an apple 2 to a IBM PC, the apple 2 is a better product hands down. Which are our computers based on today? and why do you think that is? Point is that this kind of protective sueing destroys whole markets.
The whole reason I use linux is because I see signs of protectionism in software. That means in the long run I lose, because the game I want suddenly doesn't run on my PC, and I my PC suddenly stops working when I try to make it.
No IBM didn't have it exactly right with the PC. But there were so many versions out there, that IBM learned from the competition how NOT to improve. Did they learn anything from it? not immediately, but after the PS2 died, they seemed to get the hint. Imitation is a sign your doing something right, and a sure sign of continued success.
Apple should have fired those lawyers after the apple 2e failed to take over the education market. Apple would be a much bigger company if they didn't chase these dead ends. Its obvious they haven't figured it out yet, and its obvious that the genius who designed the iMac needs to find a different company to drag around. Wait a second, didn't he already do that?
What kind of standalone processing will this thing do? Handwriting/voice recognition?
Just this week I saw an ad for an AT&T Megaphone center that sounds like the DMAP system. The base system alone was 200.00, and I laughed as I turned the page. I may have to go back and reread the ad again.
This is the first close-to-production item of its kind, and its going to be big. I've been looking for one since I heard about the WEB-Pad. I work from a clip-board, and spend at least an hour a day retyping my notes into the network. The time this will save me rekeying is worth $500 in less than a month. I don't have 20/20 vision, and won't go to a screen smaller than a full size sheet of paper.
I think its great that we're hearing about Linux driven Web-Pad's coming to market before or at the same time as windows based boxes. I think that the open source movement is only beginning to show its potential in new product development, where time to market is everything.
I think within a year Microsoft will be looking for ways to turn off the software patents that keep them out of the new markets linux opens.
Isn't Hotmail part of the microshaft universe?
...
considering the cutthroat techniques they use, I'm not surprised if they aren't using all the passwords themselves.
It's right there in the terms of service if you read it:
MEMBER PRIVACY
(...) Microsoft will not monitor, edit, or
disclose any personal information
unless Microsoft has a good faith belief that such action is necessary
to:
(1) conform to legal requirements or comply with legal process; (2) protect and defend the rights
or property of Microsoft; (3) enforce the TOS; or (4) act to protect the interests of its members or
others. Microsoft does provide certain user information in aggregate form to third parties, including its
advertisers, for demographics. In addition, your Internet Protocol address is transmitted with each
message sent from your account. For more information, see the MSN Hotmail Privacy Statement.
Some personal information you provide to Microsoft may be stored outside of the country in which
you reside.
You agree that Microsoft may access your account, including its contents, as stated above or to
respond to service or technical issues.
and my memory of the hotmail license i agreed to before I discovered they were Microsoft, Its right there in the Ter wonder if they aren't giving themselves the legal right to use your passwords.