The most glaring point is of-course that there is no provision for income taxes by the Founders, in fact a number of times income taxes came to existence in USA and then were abolished. The latest attempt succeeded in 1913 (and coincided with the creation of the Fed and destruction of money). I wrote previously that income taxes are illegal and are collected illegally, maybe it is not the most eloquent expression presented there and I should rewrite it and make it easier to read, but it's there.
Actually my position is that we are in the early stages of developing that society, given that the next bubble bursting (as far as I am concerned) will be a government bubble. Government bonds, government fiat, government power and promises, government wars and murder and theft and destruction of individual rights.
As a humanity we have always been oppressed but over time we are moving from higher levels of oppression to lower levels (per individual) as our numbers are increasing, the ability to oppress individuals will diminish with a more global, more open society.
I actually am not pessimistic at all on this, I am quite optimistic where it concerns the future of individual freedoms being increased and government power being diminished.
Oh, by the way, talk about 'lack of sophistication'. A government that is running a deficit is overtaxing, since it is adding those expenses to the debt that has to be paid with interest and/or is inflating the currency supply (printing money), thus destroying value of everybody's earnings and investments, thus destroying investment opportunities and quality of life. I do not expect you actually to understand it, but just because you do not does not make the problem go away.
Theft is what tax is, period. Roads, education, defence, health, food, transportation, energy, waste management, any service at all does not even closely require government, the only reason governments are all over these is because there is so much money that can be stolen by the power hungry who end up in government positions. Taxes are theft, they are actually slavery, as they are theft that is backed by initiation of violence that is seen as 'legitimate', since the mob supports it by participating in these systems.
You are quite a successful example of the so called government 'education' system. Comparing individual responsibility to fascism? Fascism? Special interests (elite based factions) within government structures, ensuring the absolute authority of the state over the individual lives is in your little mind equal to individual freedom, freedom of association, freedom FROM the state?:) The government 'education' has done its job well on you, congrats.
Anarchists are mostly irrational leftists, who want to destroy what they don't understand (property rights for example).
Clearly I am not with any socialist ideas, not on any level, not even slightly. Free market capitalism is not anarchism and anarcho-capitalism is not anarchism either. Maybe you want to read some of those books, I have had my share by now.
Capitalism is only private ownership and operation of property, there is nothing that makes it 'not work well', what screws things up is government oppression, be it dictatorial oppression or mobocracy. Free market capitalism has provided the biggest economic success in the history of the humanity in the 19th century USA and in the late 20th, early 21st century China, in Singapore, in Switzerland, in Hong Kong. It's ironic to see former communist dictatorship in China embrace so many capitalist ideas and reduce government power to provide a much freer market system, but it is working as it is supposed to, increasing the wealth within the society by removing so many government imposed constraints that the society used to face.
Growing government power is what is destroying USA and European economies, not abundance of individual freedom.
Paying for a service, choosing to pay for a service and choosing what service to pay for is entirely different from being coerced and oppressed by the mob to pay for nonsense that I have 0 interest in, actually less than 0 interest. It's even much much much worse than that, every dollar and cent that is stolen by government from the productive society and diverted to various government initiatives destroys the economy, the market, the society, every dollar that government gets has an untold multiplier attached to it. That's the dollar that goes towards increasing government power, that's the dollar that is taken out of the productive economy, out of savings, out of investments and is worse than wasted: it's wasted and it is used to create more government oppressive structures that end up stealing more from the individuals in the productive economy.
No, paying for a service of your choice and being forced to give up your own life and fruits of your labour to the thugs with guns with the authority provided to them by the mob cannot be compared even slightly to voluntary market exchange.
I don't watch Fox news or any TV for that matter, I don't like to waste time and I have no time to waste, I run a business and I hire people in more than one country to do it as well.
Governments are an impediment to progress, they are actively destroy economies and oppressing individuals (stealing from them and murdering them), only individuals build productive economies, governments are leeches, feeding on the blood of the productive members of society.
Stolen, totally correct. I would rather have no government, but I can settle for the 19th century American style government, before the income taxes finally were crammed through onto the population with various tricks, that involved setting up the people into the various branches that were supposed to keep each other in check and not let unconstitutional laws and amendments to usurp power from the individual and to the government.
Infrastructure is not a government concern, neither is education, health care or money itself for that matter. IRS and the Federal reserve bank (and it's not an independent private institution, it does everything the government wants to prop up spending that cannot be paid for by any level of USA productivity), FBI, EPA, FAA, FCC, FDA, DHS, departments of education, housing, transportation, energy, commerce, interior and pretty much 99% of what government does today in USA (and the rest of the governments are doing around the world) is anti-human, anti-freedom, anti-social.
Government is not the definition of society, government is the definition of oppression, theft, destruction and murder. Justice system and property rights do not require centralised governments, each locality can deal with it however it wants, and I am of an opinion that individuals working in their best interest as individuals and not as groups that are set up to steal from individuals is what builds the most prosperity and a stable economy and by extension the most moral (MORAL) society. Morality is of a concern if we are interested in a stable and healthy society, governments are immoral, companies are amoral. I prefer amorality of any individual and of any company to immorality of any government.
Democracy is dictatorship, I don't see what the difference is between a dictator who wants to own your productivity (thus your life, to make you into a slave) and a dictatorial mobocracy, which is what democracy is. Democracy is a dictatorship where the dictatorial power cannot be diminished by simply destroying (attacking and taking down, killing) a dictator.
Democracy is a dictatorial hydra, where no heads can be cut off to reduce the oppression.
No, I do not believe that taxes are at all needed to build a society, not even a tiny sliver of taxes, however services that you mentioned have to be provided and that is what the free market does best: creating systems that are needed by voluntary market participants. People have to pay if they want services, the most important question is: what is virtue?
Virtue is non-initiation of force, and there are many economic systems that are voluntary and not initiating force, but they do require your payment if you want certain services to be available to you and thus if you want to use a road or have protection against attacks by bandits, that's your responsibility to hire your protection and to pay your road tolls. If you are in fact a productive member of society, you will be able to handle that little bit but you don't have to be slave to a centralised oppressive government to achieve it.
Actually counterfeiting is what governments around the world are actively involved in, that's all the 'QE' crap, paper money printing is all about.
Roads, education, health care, communications, etc., none of it should have anything to do with government in the first place, unless of-course you want to have a monopoly on such things and have it protected with government military (which is why government military is also a horrid outdated idea).
The only way to 'pull your weight' in a society is to be a productive member of it and to work in the private sector. Government is the economic leech that destroys the productivity and wealth, it doesn't add anything to it. All real productivity is done privately, all that governments do is theft (and in many cases murder), nothing else.
Taxes shouldn't exist and they are not paying for civilization, they are paying for destruction, monopoly power, murder. All legitimate economic activity is mandatory, nobody should ever be forced to do anything as a group by thugs with guns.
Government 'education' is about as useful as government 'phone'. The next bubble to burst will be the government bubble, the bonds, the fiat currency and the entire idea of centralised governments that will be proven to be outdated and bad for society as a concept altogether. Hell, it is already proven to be a horrid, inhumane, oppressive, economically destructive, cancerous hazard to the individual well being around the world, it's just the masses haven't really understood this yet, so they will have to accept it on an instinctual level rather than on an intellectual one (they are incapable of understanding it intellectually, after all 'government provided education' oxymoron hits hard there).
Yes, but one of the examples there is Burger King and most people don't understand something about that company, it was not American even before it moved the headquarters to Canada, it was mostly Brazilian. That company has a complicated history but Americans think for some reason that the company, whose majority owner is a Brazilian conglomerate is an American business... they are uninformed.
I take it Apple 'leeched of the society' by creating production lines and products that provide them with all their earnings around the world?:)
Yeah, they have the money because they made it, they made it by creating products people are buying and by creating enormous production lines while at it. Only individuals / companies create the economy and governments are the ones that leech off of that productivity, not the other way around.
Of-course companies that are under government protection leech off of that productivity as well (like certain bailed out banks, military industrial complex and such).
Any company that creates a product that is then voluntarily traded for by the people in the market is an economic engine and a productive member of society before even a single cent is stolen from it by a government and socialists that want and vote for that money to be stolen.
The actual leeches are government employees and the mob that provides those employees with the power to steal.
Actually essential liberty is not having your property and earnings stolen from you by any government. In this case, however, the government in question is trying to steal money it doesn't even have physical access to and the money that were not earned in the USA. It's trying to steal money that was earned from foreign operations from foreign customers. Back to the international form of socialism for Obama, I take it? Well, foreign earnings will not come back to USA at all ever of-course and all the companies have to do now is start moving their headquarters from the USA. Production lines are already moved, they just have to take the next logical step.
Do YOU hire somebody somewhere? Anybody anywhere? You can go ahead and lead by example, until you do you have 0 moral ground for any argument like that.
Free market monopolies are not a problem whatsoever, they only exist as the market allows them to exist. It is government monopolies that are a real threat to all people and those are created because governments usurp power to oppress individual rights.
Right, USSR ideology to the rescue... destroy the wealthy so that there is no more concentrated wealth so there is no wealth left at all, then come after the less wealthy and once you don't have those left, come after the less wealthy yet, rinse and repeat until you have made everybody equal... in their misery.
I don't care what most people believe or do not believe, they are wrong. Dangerous monopolies are created by governments, not by the free market, in a free market no monopoly has more power than the market is willing to give it and if the market is willing to give a company monopoly power it is always temporary and it is there as long as that company provides the market with the highest quality, cheapest product.
Oh, I see, so who did google steal from? Or those guys that sold them youtube for a billion and a half (for starters)? The silly 'whatsup' billionaires, did they steal from somebody? For that matter transportation or energy or any kind of billionaires. No, thieves are found in government and among the voting mob first of all. Glass houses.
I think that the problem is voting based on the hopes of stealing from others and that happens in a system where people actually expect government to steal on their behalf and allow the government to usurp power.
No, the real problem is not money in politics, the real problem is use of violence by governments to take away individual rights.
The real problem is that such a large number of people actually support government threatening violence to steal from people. At that point money enters politics to buy favours. Money in politics is an indicator of a sick system, it's not the cause of it.
The cause of a sick system is people who want to have a sick system, a system based on jealousy, envy, use of violence against others (mostly those, who have more than the average voter, regardless of anything else, for example regardless of whether the money made by a person is earned or stolen).
If you want a just system that is not corrupted and where money cannot buy power, you cannot have a system that allows governments to steal from individuals, steal their rights (as in right to private property, defence and speech that are necessary to protect private property) and steal the outcome of their work by taxing people's incomes or wealth.
Free market does not require people to play by the rules or anything like that because there cannot be government rules.
The problem of-course is government power, not the fact that in a free market (or any market) people want to get ahead. The real problem is just normal people who want to get ahead having political power, the real problem is power that politicians hold. Power to use violence, guns and jails against individuals.
Threat of violence by system is what gives politicians the power to destroy the free market, nothing else. It is not about people not being honest or not playing by the rules. It is about rules that are set up by the governments to allow very specific people to get ahead while holding everybody else back.
The real problem is you, because you believe that what you are advocating (government power over the individuals, over the free market) is justified for your weird ideology of theft and murder.
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The most glaring point is of-course that there is no provision for income taxes by the Founders, in fact a number of times income taxes came to existence in USA and then were abolished. The latest attempt succeeded in 1913 (and coincided with the creation of the Fed and destruction of money). I wrote previously that income taxes are illegal and are collected illegally, maybe it is not the most eloquent expression presented there and I should rewrite it and make it easier to read, but it's there.
Actually my position is that we are in the early stages of developing that society, given that the next bubble bursting (as far as I am concerned) will be a government bubble. Government bonds, government fiat, government power and promises, government wars and murder and theft and destruction of individual rights.
As a humanity we have always been oppressed but over time we are moving from higher levels of oppression to lower levels (per individual) as our numbers are increasing, the ability to oppress individuals will diminish with a more global, more open society.
I actually am not pessimistic at all on this, I am quite optimistic where it concerns the future of individual freedoms being increased and government power being diminished.
Oh, by the way, talk about 'lack of sophistication'. A government that is running a deficit is overtaxing, since it is adding those expenses to the debt that has to be paid with interest and/or is inflating the currency supply (printing money), thus destroying value of everybody's earnings and investments, thus destroying investment opportunities and quality of life. I do not expect you actually to understand it, but just because you do not does not make the problem go away.
Theft is what tax is, period. Roads, education, defence, health, food, transportation, energy, waste management, any service at all does not even closely require government, the only reason governments are all over these is because there is so much money that can be stolen by the power hungry who end up in government positions. Taxes are theft, they are actually slavery, as they are theft that is backed by initiation of violence that is seen as 'legitimate', since the mob supports it by participating in these systems.
You are quite a successful example of the so called government 'education' system. Comparing individual responsibility to fascism? Fascism? Special interests (elite based factions) within government structures, ensuring the absolute authority of the state over the individual lives is in your little mind equal to individual freedom, freedom of association, freedom FROM the state? :) The government 'education' has done its job well on you, congrats.
Anarchists are mostly irrational leftists, who want to destroy what they don't understand (property rights for example).
Clearly I am not with any socialist ideas, not on any level, not even slightly. Free market capitalism is not anarchism and anarcho-capitalism is not anarchism either. Maybe you want to read some of those books, I have had my share by now.
Capitalism is only private ownership and operation of property, there is nothing that makes it 'not work well', what screws things up is government oppression, be it dictatorial oppression or mobocracy. Free market capitalism has provided the biggest economic success in the history of the humanity in the 19th century USA and in the late 20th, early 21st century China, in Singapore, in Switzerland, in Hong Kong. It's ironic to see former communist dictatorship in China embrace so many capitalist ideas and reduce government power to provide a much freer market system, but it is working as it is supposed to, increasing the wealth within the society by removing so many government imposed constraints that the society used to face.
Growing government power is what is destroying USA and European economies, not abundance of individual freedom.
Paying for a service, choosing to pay for a service and choosing what service to pay for is entirely different from being coerced and oppressed by the mob to pay for nonsense that I have 0 interest in, actually less than 0 interest. It's even much much much worse than that, every dollar and cent that is stolen by government from the productive society and diverted to various government initiatives destroys the economy, the market, the society, every dollar that government gets has an untold multiplier attached to it. That's the dollar that goes towards increasing government power, that's the dollar that is taken out of the productive economy, out of savings, out of investments and is worse than wasted: it's wasted and it is used to create more government oppressive structures that end up stealing more from the individuals in the productive economy.
No, paying for a service of your choice and being forced to give up your own life and fruits of your labour to the thugs with guns with the authority provided to them by the mob cannot be compared even slightly to voluntary market exchange.
I don't watch Fox news or any TV for that matter, I don't like to waste time and I have no time to waste, I run a business and I hire people in more than one country to do it as well.
My take on centralised governments is right here, so is my take on income taxes.
Governments are an impediment to progress, they are actively destroy economies and oppressing individuals (stealing from them and murdering them), only individuals build productive economies, governments are leeches, feeding on the blood of the productive members of society.
Stolen, totally correct. I would rather have no government, but I can settle for the 19th century American style government, before the income taxes finally were crammed through onto the population with various tricks, that involved setting up the people into the various branches that were supposed to keep each other in check and not let unconstitutional laws and amendments to usurp power from the individual and to the government.
Infrastructure is not a government concern, neither is education, health care or money itself for that matter. IRS and the Federal reserve bank (and it's not an independent private institution, it does everything the government wants to prop up spending that cannot be paid for by any level of USA productivity), FBI, EPA, FAA, FCC, FDA, DHS, departments of education, housing, transportation, energy, commerce, interior and pretty much 99% of what government does today in USA (and the rest of the governments are doing around the world) is anti-human, anti-freedom, anti-social.
Government is not the definition of society, government is the definition of oppression, theft, destruction and murder. Justice system and property rights do not require centralised governments, each locality can deal with it however it wants, and I am of an opinion that individuals working in their best interest as individuals and not as groups that are set up to steal from individuals is what builds the most prosperity and a stable economy and by extension the most moral (MORAL) society. Morality is of a concern if we are interested in a stable and healthy society, governments are immoral, companies are amoral. I prefer amorality of any individual and of any company to immorality of any government.
Democracy is dictatorship, I don't see what the difference is between a dictator who wants to own your productivity (thus your life, to make you into a slave) and a dictatorial mobocracy, which is what democracy is. Democracy is a dictatorship where the dictatorial power cannot be diminished by simply destroying (attacking and taking down, killing) a dictator.
Democracy is a dictatorial hydra, where no heads can be cut off to reduce the oppression.
No, I do not believe that taxes are at all needed to build a society, not even a tiny sliver of taxes, however services that you mentioned have to be provided and that is what the free market does best: creating systems that are needed by voluntary market participants. People have to pay if they want services, the most important question is: what is virtue?
Virtue is non-initiation of force, and there are many economic systems that are voluntary and not initiating force, but they do require your payment if you want certain services to be available to you and thus if you want to use a road or have protection against attacks by bandits, that's your responsibility to hire your protection and to pay your road tolls. If you are in fact a productive member of society, you will be able to handle that little bit but you don't have to be slave to a centralised oppressive government to achieve it.
Actually counterfeiting is what governments around the world are actively involved in, that's all the 'QE' crap, paper money printing is all about.
Roads, education, health care, communications, etc., none of it should have anything to do with government in the first place, unless of-course you want to have a monopoly on such things and have it protected with government military (which is why government military is also a horrid outdated idea).
The only way to 'pull your weight' in a society is to be a productive member of it and to work in the private sector. Government is the economic leech that destroys the productivity and wealth, it doesn't add anything to it. All real productivity is done privately, all that governments do is theft (and in many cases murder), nothing else.
Taxes shouldn't exist and they are not paying for civilization, they are paying for destruction, monopoly power, murder. All legitimate economic activity is mandatory, nobody should ever be forced to do anything as a group by thugs with guns.
Government 'education' is about as useful as government 'phone'. The next bubble to burst will be the government bubble, the bonds, the fiat currency and the entire idea of centralised governments that will be proven to be outdated and bad for society as a concept altogether. Hell, it is already proven to be a horrid, inhumane, oppressive, economically destructive, cancerous hazard to the individual well being around the world, it's just the masses haven't really understood this yet, so they will have to accept it on an instinctual level rather than on an intellectual one (they are incapable of understanding it intellectually, after all 'government provided education' oxymoron hits hard there).
Yes, but one of the examples there is Burger King and most people don't understand something about that company, it was not American even before it moved the headquarters to Canada, it was mostly Brazilian. That company has a complicated history but Americans think for some reason that the company, whose majority owner is a Brazilian conglomerate is an American business... they are uninformed.
I take it Apple 'leeched of the society' by creating production lines and products that provide them with all their earnings around the world? :)
Yeah, they have the money because they made it, they made it by creating products people are buying and by creating enormous production lines while at it. Only individuals / companies create the economy and governments are the ones that leech off of that productivity, not the other way around.
Of-course companies that are under government protection leech off of that productivity as well (like certain bailed out banks, military industrial complex and such).
Any company that creates a product that is then voluntarily traded for by the people in the market is an economic engine and a productive member of society before even a single cent is stolen from it by a government and socialists that want and vote for that money to be stolen.
The actual leeches are government employees and the mob that provides those employees with the power to steal.
Actually essential liberty is not having your property and earnings stolen from you by any government. In this case, however, the government in question is trying to steal money it doesn't even have physical access to and the money that were not earned in the USA. It's trying to steal money that was earned from foreign operations from foreign customers. Back to the international form of socialism for Obama, I take it? Well, foreign earnings will not come back to USA at all ever of-course and all the companies have to do now is start moving their headquarters from the USA. Production lines are already moved, they just have to take the next logical step.
Do YOU hire somebody somewhere? Anybody anywhere? You can go ahead and lead by example, until you do you have 0 moral ground for any argument like that.
Free market monopolies are not a problem whatsoever, they only exist as the market allows them to exist. It is government monopolies that are a real threat to all people and those are created because governments usurp power to oppress individual rights.
Right, USSR ideology to the rescue... destroy the wealthy so that there is no more concentrated wealth so there is no wealth left at all, then come after the less wealthy and once you don't have those left, come after the less wealthy yet, rinse and repeat until you have made everybody equal... in their misery.
Yeah, the only person who should disappear in a puff of logic is you, somebody who equates working to save to voting to steal.
I don't care what most people believe or do not believe, they are wrong. Dangerous monopolies are created by governments, not by the free market, in a free market no monopoly has more power than the market is willing to give it and if the market is willing to give a company monopoly power it is always temporary and it is there as long as that company provides the market with the highest quality, cheapest product.
Cable companies or any companies should be able to merge all they want, governments interfering with any mergers is the problem, not any type of a solution, especially given that governments created monopolies in telecommunications in the first place.
Oh, I see, so who did google steal from? Or those guys that sold them youtube for a billion and a half (for starters)? The silly 'whatsup' billionaires, did they steal from somebody? For that matter transportation or energy or any kind of billionaires. No, thieves are found in government and among the voting mob first of all. Glass houses.
I think that the problem is voting based on the hopes of stealing from others and that happens in a system where people actually expect government to steal on their behalf and allow the government to usurp power.
No, the real problem is not money in politics, the real problem is use of violence by governments to take away individual rights.
The real problem is that such a large number of people actually support government threatening violence to steal from people. At that point money enters politics to buy favours. Money in politics is an indicator of a sick system, it's not the cause of it.
The cause of a sick system is people who want to have a sick system, a system based on jealousy, envy, use of violence against others (mostly those, who have more than the average voter, regardless of anything else, for example regardless of whether the money made by a person is earned or stolen).
If you want a just system that is not corrupted and where money cannot buy power, you cannot have a system that allows governments to steal from individuals, steal their rights (as in right to private property, defence and speech that are necessary to protect private property) and steal the outcome of their work by taxing people's incomes or wealth.
Free market does not require people to play by the rules or anything like that because there cannot be government rules.
The problem of-course is government power, not the fact that in a free market (or any market) people want to get ahead. The real problem is just normal people who want to get ahead having political power, the real problem is power that politicians hold. Power to use violence, guns and jails against individuals.
Threat of violence by system is what gives politicians the power to destroy the free market, nothing else. It is not about people not being honest or not playing by the rules. It is about rules that are set up by the governments to allow very specific people to get ahead while holding everybody else back.
The real problem is you, because you believe that what you are advocating (government power over the individuals, over the free market) is justified for your weird ideology of theft and murder.
You do realise that there is nothing wrong with being a 'working class'? There is also nothing wrong with being a billionaire.
If your first reaction to somebody who is wealthier than you is a 'pitchfork', then maybe the problem is you.
So they can restore the denaturated proteins to their original state... which basically is a step towards reviving the dead, however weird that sounds.... Undead chickens will take over.