How do they work? I heard about one in the UK once but i`m sure it was a hoax - never saw any for sale. Not sure if advertisers would be too impressed with it.
"Sure, you vote for the person that you want to put into government, and they try to pass laws and policies, but often when people get in, various shifts in civil service management occur as people are promoted or shifted to other departments. "
If Ralph Nader had got in, and the civil service had prevented him from altering the war on drugs, dont you think he would have had them sacked for incompetence?
I agree with you though, we have that problem here too. There is an excellent comedy series from the 80`s called `Yes, prime minister` (also `yes, minister`) about this sort of thing.
Well, i`m actually in Britain! The war of drugs this was just an example - no matter how entrenched an issue/policy is in the current system, if someone else came along and said `this is bullshit` and got voted in (say, Ralph Nader), then it WOULD change.
For what its worth, I support national health care, because it seems fairer to me to be spending some percentage of tax from what is still a rich nation to support people who cant afford treatment. We still have homeless people begging though. The tax is higher in Denmark, and there are virtually no homeless people there. I guess you get the society you are prepared to pay for. If you are happy stepping over people who cant afford to eat/have a home/treat their cancers etc, then thats a choice for you. But rememeber that everything has a cost, and the long term cost of NOT treating `crack addicted losers` may be higher than the cost of treating them.
In that case you`d need some data which would satisfy `them`. Rubberhose allows a number of hidden sets of data, so `they` would never know when they had got it all successfully.
The only other solution is, as you are implying, not to use a deniable system, but from what i`ve read, that could be worse. Ie, if its you getting killed, or you (possibly) being spared if you reveal info about more people, then i`m sure that the group consensus would be to use a deniable system and sacrifice any people who were caught.
I have to admit, though, that things arent generally that bad in the U.K./USA/Europe etc, and satisfying a judge that you had revealed all the data would be less of a strain.
The system is (almost) perfect. Vote for who you want. The person with the most votes gets in. Its a little skewed by the electoral college system, but still its only out by a few %. This time the difference in number of votes is inside that margin of error, but on the whole that doesnt happen.
What i hear people complaining about is that the `wrong` person got in. Well, thats a `fault` of the people voting. I dont like anyone thats been voted in in the states for the last 30 odd years.
It`d be nice if people went `wait a minute, i dont like (for example) the `war on drugs`, lets vote for someone who`ll dump it and spend the money saved on free health insurance`. As soon as they do, the war on drugs will go away.
But imagine a perfect (in your eyes) system. Wouldnt it still suck if people voted for morons? An uncrackable system is no use if people use `guest/guest` for their id/password. You wouldnt blame the system then, so why do so now?
Why? That jump in logic is no different than, for example, my refusing to lend someone the stapler thats on my desk to someone else because my collegue wants to use it means that lending items is now against the law.
Check out the rubberhose site (.org?). By the time Quantum computers are able to crack pgp we`ll all have 1tb hard drives. I`d like to see any system cracking stegonagraphically hidden/encrypted data using a rubberhose style system.
"No one has a right to list items on Yahoos auctions"
It really is quite amusing to see just how many people think that censorship applies to anything other than a government repressing individuals. What people do with their own computers is up to them. If the people who run servers want to allow/disallow things being placed on them it is entirely up to them. The people who complain about this sort of thing just have big mouths, but strangely never seem to get around to putting up their own servers.
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I heard that valve equipment was used for some systems, as they are not affected by EMPs. Are there any computers running Unix,Windows etc based on valve technology? Havent been to the Science Museum recently...
Sadly there is a slight error in your sigfile. I have to thank you for it, cos i like Eliot, and i`d not read that one (Ash Wednesday), but actually it should read :
Where shall the word be found, where will the word
Resound? Not here, there is not enough silence
Marvin Minsky! A name to conjur with! is he wearing virtual cyber computer clothes yet? Perhaps he should get together with Kevin and do a double act?!
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How do they work? I heard about one in the UK once but i`m sure it was a hoax - never saw any for sale. Not sure if advertisers would be too impressed with it.
You should have checked to see if you`d missed the point.
"Sure, you vote for the person that you want to put into government, and they try to pass laws and policies, but often when people get in, various shifts in civil service management occur as people are promoted or shifted to other departments. "
If Ralph Nader had got in, and the civil service had prevented him from altering the war on drugs, dont you think he would have had them sacked for incompetence?
I agree with you though, we have that problem here too. There is an excellent comedy series from the 80`s called `Yes, prime minister` (also `yes, minister`) about this sort of thing.
Well, i`m actually in Britain! The war of drugs this was just an example - no matter how entrenched an issue/policy is in the current system, if someone else came along and said `this is bullshit` and got voted in (say, Ralph Nader), then it WOULD change.
For what its worth, I support national health care, because it seems fairer to me to be spending some percentage of tax from what is still a rich nation to support people who cant afford treatment. We still have homeless people begging though. The tax is higher in Denmark, and there are virtually no homeless people there. I guess you get the society you are prepared to pay for. If you are happy stepping over people who cant afford to eat/have a home/treat their cancers etc, then thats a choice for you. But rememeber that everything has a cost, and the long term cost of NOT treating `crack addicted losers` may be higher than the cost of treating them.
In that case you`d need some data which would satisfy `them`. Rubberhose allows a number of hidden sets of data, so `they` would never know when they had got it all successfully.
The only other solution is, as you are implying, not to use a deniable system, but from what i`ve read, that could be worse. Ie, if its you getting killed, or you (possibly) being spared if you reveal info about more people, then i`m sure that the group consensus would be to use a deniable system and sacrifice any people who were caught.
I have to admit, though, that things arent generally that bad in the U.K./USA/Europe etc, and satisfying a judge that you had revealed all the data would be less of a strain.
English?
"made me lose even more faith in the system. "
The system is (almost) perfect. Vote for who you want. The person with the most votes gets in. Its a little skewed by the electoral college system, but still its only out by a few %. This time the difference in number of votes is inside that margin of error, but on the whole that doesnt happen.
What i hear people complaining about is that the `wrong` person got in. Well, thats a `fault` of the people voting. I dont like anyone thats been voted in in the states for the last 30 odd years.
It`d be nice if people went `wait a minute, i dont like (for example) the `war on drugs`, lets vote for someone who`ll dump it and spend the money saved on free health insurance`. As soon as they do, the war on drugs will go away.
But imagine a perfect (in your eyes) system. Wouldnt it still suck if people voted for morons? An uncrackable system is no use if people use `guest/guest` for their id/password. You wouldnt blame the system then, so why do so now?
Point your browsers at:
http://www.olga.pl/tab_e.php3
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/p.welburn/atari/tempe st/spec02.jpg
Why? That jump in logic is no different than, for example, my refusing to lend someone the stapler thats on my desk to someone else because my collegue wants to use it means that lending items is now against the law.
"UK is drifting away from France at a slow but steady rate (1cm every few years or decades I seem to recall)"
:)
Is there anything we can do to speed it up?
"You say that you'd start with criminals, but who would be next? "
Boy-girl bands.
Check out the rubberhose site (.org?). By the time Quantum computers are able to crack pgp we`ll all have 1tb hard drives. I`d like to see any system cracking stegonagraphically hidden/encrypted data using a rubberhose style system.
"a few right wing nuts"
And a bunch of geeks. I wouldnt be suprised if some of them had absolutely no idea why this stuff is banned in parts of Europe.
"No one has a right to list items on Yahoos auctions"
It really is quite amusing to see just how many people think that censorship applies to anything other than a government repressing individuals. What people do with their own computers is up to them. If the people who run servers want to allow/disallow things being placed on them it is entirely up to them. The people who complain about this sort of thing just have big mouths, but strangely never seem to get around to putting up their own servers.
I heard that valve equipment was used for some systems, as they are not affected by EMPs. Are there any computers running Unix,Windows etc based on valve technology? Havent been to the Science Museum recently...
Sadly there is a slight error in your sigfile. I have to thank you for it, cos i like Eliot, and i`d not read that one (Ash Wednesday), but actually it should read :
:)
Where shall the word be found, where will the word
Resound? Not here, there is not enough silence
Dont want to be a pedant though...
I`ve heard that we only use 10% of our brains. Then again, i`ve also heard that 90% of everything is rubbish. So why bother?
I doubt it. Why would they care? 4% of market share is 4%, no matter how you look at it.
"Come the millennium, month 12... The village idiot will come forth To be acclaimed the leader. - Nostradamus"
Hmmm, another one, eh? Did he get anything right in the end then?
Choose your weapon:
:)
object
interface
property
methods
wrapper
function
Hmmm. its a tough one - they all sound bad!
Marvin Minsky! A name to conjur with! is he wearing virtual cyber computer clothes yet? Perhaps he should get together with Kevin and do a double act?!
"...score threading down to 1, do I read nothing but just garbage, useless rambles, and elementary school antics? "
Threshold++;
Not suprised. Linux has, what, 4% of the market share? Why would they care? I bet you never heard them mention the Amiga either.
No, no ass-talking! Its a waste of time.
Better to scour the net looking for spelling mistakes, 404 errors, spam senders etc.