It's like throwing money at treating the symptoms of lung cancer without putting any money or effort into trying to find a cure, as well as paying for cigarettes for the patients. Taxpayer money is going to help people move back into an area that cannot be sustained.
And you say this based on what evidence, exactly? Simply your own decision that the situation 'cannot be sustained?' Sustained for how long? A thousand years? A million? Or rather- You think it's not worth the money, cause, you know, *other* people live there...
I didn't research the information you posted, because it wasn't relevant to the post I made.
And because you don't care. You made up your mind without actually knowing anything, it seems.
None of that information says anything about how much money has been poured into that area, just that the money there is severely mismanaged. A serious problem itself.
Sigh. Right. Mismanaged. You have no idea how much was spent, but you're certain it must have been mismanaged.
From wikipedia:"Economist and crisis consultant Randall Bell wrote: "Hurricane Katrina in 2005 was the largest natural disaster in the history of the United States. Preliminary damage estimates were well in excess of $100 billion, eclipsing many times the damage wrought by Hurricane Andrew in 1992."
Federal Spending on Katrina Recovery: around $132 Billion (http://tinyurl.com/bap8sg) Cost of Iraq & Afghanistan Wars since 2001: around $933 Billion (http://costofwar.com/) Amount spent thus far on the total bailout: around $3 Trillion Amount spent thus far on just the AIG bailout: $127.4 billion (http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/bailouttracker/index.html)
So totally, I can't believe we're throwing away *allllll* this money on The Poors and their shitty flooded schools. Can't we just load them up in trucks and send them someplace else? If only this country would spend money on *important* things that *help* citizens....
rather than fighting a losing battle against a force of nature we can only hold back for so long
You're not a big fan of medical care either then, I take it.
giving money to people who already received plenty of tax money and charity?
From The Katrina Recovery Index published by the Institute of Southern Studies: + 100,000 displaced persons from New Orleans are now living in Houston, Texas. + The percentage of households with children in New Orleans has fallen from 30 percent to 20 percent. + Only 752 federal housing vouchers have been issued in New Orleans; since the waiting list for vouchers was established, 16 people on it have died. + Rents in New Orleans are up 40 percent since Katrina. + Demand for emergency food relief at New Orleans-area food pantries is up 35 percent. + 43 percent of the city’s medical facilities have not reopened since Katrina. + Two-thirds of the city’s population reports chronic health problems, up 45 percent since 2006. + The suicide rate in New Orleans is up 200 percent since Katrina, while only one local hospital provides in-patient mental health care. + Louisiana ranks 50th among US states for overall health care quality.
There's this awesome thing to get facts called google- you should try it out some time.
Wrong on both counts. The Ninth Ward dates back to the early 19th century, and many of the areas that were hard-hit were just or nearly as old as the high-and-dry French Quarter.
Regardless, the question is sort of moot- inhabited areas have become radically more flood-prone in the last 100 years due to federal and Army Corp damming and canaling projects, which have decimated Louisiana's wetlands, the best defense against large-scale flooding. Ask the EPA: http://www.epa.gov/owow/wetlands/pdf/Flooding.pdf
Thank you God. I only had to scroll through, what, 200 messages? to find a post from somebody who actually knows something about the history of the delta.
100 years of Mississippi River Commission and Army Corp hubris alone was responsible for what happened during Katrina- not to mention the terrifying rate that Louisiana is literally sinking into the ocean (25-25 square miles a year, if anyone here actually cares).
Funny how when San Diego catches fire every summer nobody 'debates' about whether to rebuild it or just forcibly expatriate the entire population. It's soooo much trickier to be blase about lives when they're rich and white...
Then again, I do not equate a 'free market' with "capitalism" since capitalism simply refers to operations on capital, generally the movement, coalescence, dispersion or application of capital.
Wherein I honestly think lies the trouble...
Makes one wonder, does it not?
Only if you seriously think that 'capital' as a concept somehow predates (or exists externally to) capitalist exploitation. Look- pretending that there's some sort of innocuous or apolitical existence of capital is like pretending that the guillotine would make a lovely celery chopper, if it weren't for irresponsible misuse.
I can't say I've ever heard of the Leninist concept you're referring to, but then again I for one have never really accused the Leninists of having a terribly deep understanding of anything-
but 'destroying capital,' I think, is much more about attacking capital, a philosophical framework (and practical concretization) of exploitation.
Radicalism is about pulling things up from the root- nickel and diming doesn't cut it. The goal has to be a fuck of a lot higher than the welfare state to have a snoball's chance in hell.
Incidentally, it has become neccessary to hereby purge DaedalusHKX and all other slashdotters from the people's vanguard.
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Comrade KingAzdak, beloved by all the youth
By which self-justifying logic the inevitability of capitalist society has always been maintained;
There's a fine line between practical pessimism and resigned complicity.
Surrender isn't, I think, a position one would actively promote.
I rather think one either believes in and aims to bring about the possibility of a post-capitalist society, or becomes ideologically entangled in it.
Yeah- fight them bad capitalists by not buying their products, but instead by buying other products. Stickin it to em, champ.
Say it all together, kids- the workers create the commodities, the workers become commodified. Consumerism is powerlessness, any which-a way you look at it.
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It's like throwing money at treating the symptoms of lung cancer without putting any money or effort into trying to find a cure, as well as paying for cigarettes for the patients. Taxpayer money is going to help people move back into an area that cannot be sustained.
And you say this based on what evidence, exactly? Simply your own decision that the situation 'cannot be sustained?' Sustained for how long? A thousand years? A million?
Or rather-
You think it's not worth the money, cause, you know, *other* people live there...
I didn't research the information you posted, because it wasn't relevant to the post I made.
And because you don't care. You made up your mind without actually knowing anything, it seems.
None of that information says anything about how much money has been poured into that area, just that the money there is severely mismanaged. A serious problem itself.
Sigh. Right. Mismanaged. You have no idea how much was spent, but you're certain it must have been mismanaged.
From wikipedia:"Economist and crisis consultant Randall Bell wrote: "Hurricane Katrina in 2005 was the largest natural disaster in the history of the United States. Preliminary damage estimates were well in excess of $100 billion, eclipsing many times the damage wrought by Hurricane Andrew in 1992."
Federal Spending on Katrina Recovery: around $132 Billion
(http://tinyurl.com/bap8sg)
Cost of Iraq & Afghanistan Wars since 2001: around $933 Billion
(http://costofwar.com/)
Amount spent thus far on the total bailout: around $3 Trillion
Amount spent thus far on just the AIG bailout: $127.4 billion
(http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/bailouttracker/index.html)
So totally, I can't believe we're throwing away *allllll* this money on The Poors and their shitty flooded schools. Can't we just load them up in trucks and send them someplace else? If only this country would spend money on *important* things that *help* citizens....
rather than fighting a losing battle against a force of nature we can only hold back for so long
You're not a big fan of medical care either then, I take it.
giving money to people who already received plenty of tax money and charity?
From The Katrina Recovery Index published by the Institute of Southern Studies:
+ 100,000 displaced persons from New Orleans are now living in Houston, Texas.
+ The percentage of households with children in New Orleans has fallen from 30 percent to 20 percent.
+ Only 752 federal housing vouchers have been issued in New Orleans; since the waiting list for vouchers was established, 16 people on it have died.
+ Rents in New Orleans are up 40 percent since Katrina.
+ Demand for emergency food relief at New Orleans-area food pantries is up 35 percent.
+ 43 percent of the city’s medical facilities have not reopened since Katrina.
+ Two-thirds of the city’s population reports chronic health problems, up 45 percent since 2006.
+ The suicide rate in New Orleans is up 200 percent since Katrina, while only one local hospital provides in-patient mental health care.
+ Louisiana ranks 50th among US states for overall health care quality.
There's this awesome thing to get facts called google- you should try it out some time.
Wrong on both counts.
The Ninth Ward dates back to the early 19th century, and many of the areas that were hard-hit were just or nearly as old as the high-and-dry French Quarter.
Compare:
Historical NOLA Maps
http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/historicalmaps/us_states/louisiana/NewOrleans.htm
Katrina Flood Maps
http://www.katrina.noaa.gov/maps/images/katrina-flood-depth-estimation-08-31-2005.jpg
Regardless, the question is sort of moot- inhabited areas have become radically more flood-prone in the last 100 years due to federal and Army Corp damming and canaling projects, which have decimated Louisiana's wetlands, the best defense against large-scale flooding. Ask the EPA: http://www.epa.gov/owow/wetlands/pdf/Flooding.pdf
Thank you God. I only had to scroll through, what, 200 messages? to find a post from somebody who actually knows something about the history of the delta. 100 years of Mississippi River Commission and Army Corp hubris alone was responsible for what happened during Katrina- not to mention the terrifying rate that Louisiana is literally sinking into the ocean (25-25 square miles a year, if anyone here actually cares). Funny how when San Diego catches fire every summer nobody 'debates' about whether to rebuild it or just forcibly expatriate the entire population. It's soooo much trickier to be blase about lives when they're rich and white...
(slashdotters[int]*computers[int]) / gallons of coffee = coefficeint of puns about a coffee cup-shaped computer
I, for one, welcome our new floating-point overlords.
Then again, I do not equate a 'free market' with "capitalism" since capitalism simply refers to operations on capital, generally the movement, coalescence, dispersion or application of capital.
Wherein I honestly think lies the trouble...
Makes one wonder, does it not?
Only if you seriously think that 'capital' as a concept somehow predates (or exists externally to) capitalist exploitation.
Look- pretending that there's some sort of innocuous or apolitical existence of capital is like pretending that the guillotine would make a lovely celery chopper, if it weren't for irresponsible misuse.
I can't say I've ever heard of the Leninist concept you're referring to, but then again I for one have never really accused the Leninists of having a terribly deep understanding of anything- but 'destroying capital,' I think, is much more about attacking capital, a philosophical framework (and practical concretization) of exploitation.
Radicalism is about pulling things up from the root- nickel and diming doesn't cut it. The goal has to be a fuck of a lot higher than the welfare state to have a snoball's chance in hell.
Incidentally, it has become neccessary to hereby purge DaedalusHKX and all other slashdotters from the people's vanguard.
---------
Comrade KingAzdak, beloved by all the youth
By which self-justifying logic the inevitability of capitalist society has always been maintained; There's a fine line between practical pessimism and resigned complicity.
Surrender isn't, I think, a position one would actively promote.
I rather think one either believes in and aims to bring about the possibility of a post-capitalist society, or becomes ideologically entangled in it.
Period.
Yeah- fight them bad capitalists by not buying their products, but instead by buying other products. Stickin it to em, champ.
Say it all together, kids- the workers create the commodities, the workers become commodified. Consumerism is powerlessness, any which-a way you look at it.