that the values espoused by the original luddites (commitment to culture, community, and independence) are so much more attainable in an interconnected world where information is free (as in thought, not beer). Knowledge really is power, and the less a community has to rely on industry or government for their information or approval, the closer we are to having true freedom to live a life our short little lives in a fashion that suits us.
From a geeks technical point of view OS X is the best of all worlds (BSD, Mach, Apple presentation layer). But the folks who make up the majority of the mac's hardcore user base are already starting to feel a bit alienated by the new interface and the loss of some of the components near and dear to the mac users heart (Apple Menu, Application Switcher,etc.) The big question here is, will the people follow? And more importantly, will the application developers follow if there is a backlash against OS X? Now don't get me wrong, I will buy a Powerbook just to run OS X because I think it's so cool, but the designers I work with, some whom have been using Macs thier entire professional lives are not so excited. In fact, they're downright hostile towards the whole thing.... Should be interesting.
The ZDTV show "The Screen Savers" did a segment on this very subject last night. The writeup will be at thier site today sometime. I know the Screen Savers folks are Slashdot readers, since half their daily pool seem to come from/. , I'm sure they will get a kick out of being first for once.
Failure Magazine is not only being Slashdotted right now, but NPR's all things considered just did a piece on the online 'zine as well. It can be found Here.
One of the cool things about the Metaverse in Snow Crash was the ability to have your avatar actually look like you. As I recall though, it was the ability of the avatar to display emotions via facial expressions that really set the technologic elite apart from the common rabble.
You heard it here first kids, the new trend called "merger via settlement". This is how it works - The record companies get a well known portal for distribution, and the site owners avoid being constantly hit over the head record industry lawsuits.
Can't convince yourself that this is a merger wrapped in a settlement? Read the following quotes from the article and pretend you know nothing about the lawsuit:
"We look forward to working with WMG to expand its boundaries and are grateful to the entire WMG team for the insight and trust they've demonstrated and for making this opportunity possible." and "The licensing agreements will allow consumers to store copies of Warner Music Group or BMG compact discs they already own with MP3.com. The record companies will share an undisclosed amount of money received in the settlements with its artists. "
Sounds like a merger to me...
Over the course of the next year we'll begin to see the "lion laying down with the lamb" as both parties figure out that cooperation is more profitable than compitition.
No, I don't think I missed the point. I agree with everyone that bandwidth is an issue (although that's changing) and that realtime weather forecasting is not a good candidate for distributed processing. BUT, my point was that the distributed/shared processing model would be good for A TON of static batch type problem work that's being run on monolithic systems currently, but very few organizations even consider the distributed model. The ones who do (SETI, etc.) have more CPU cycles than they know what to do with (literally). Lastly, Greg - I wasn't trying to read your mind, I was just questioning your mindset. Irregardless, I appriciate the time you took to answer everyone's questions so completely.
The question: I am curious as to whether (no pun intended...:)) or not you have ever done any testing to see if a distributed.net type environment would be useful for your type of work? The answer: SNIP Running distributed.net type problems on the FSL cluster is a bit of a waste... SNIP
I think Greg's answer to this question, i.e. not understanding that the question was about running simulations outside of his cluster, is indicative of the "we've got to run our jobs on somthing that sits in a big air-conditioned room on our site" mentality. Once people start to realize the potential that gazillions of unused processor cycles represent, we'll start to see incentives and advertising designed to lure people to donate thier cycles to one project or another. Of course then, only the cool, "pretty" projects will get attention.
I actually met this guy back around '86 when I was still in Jr. High. The thing I remember most was the fact that he controlled a little Radio Shack Model 100 "laptop" via two buttons (one on each handlebar grip). One button was the 0, and the other the 1. He could bike from city to city and write code and text in binary. It completly blew me away.
I think I covered this in point #1, we can already run mutiple instances of linux in virtual machine mode. The subject of this thread is a *native* port....
1. We've been able to run Linux on S/390's for a long time, in virtual machine mode. This is pretty neat but has limited practical usage. 2.IBM has had Linux available for the S/390 since January! 3.A mainframe is VERY expensive to purchase and maintain (or lease). Who's going to make that kind of investment to run an operating system that wastes a good percentage of those expensive MIPS when OS/390:MVS does a much better job? 4. Mainframes are used for mission critical, enterprise level proccessing. Who's going to tell the 25,000 users who depend on the mainframe to do thier jobs, that we're going to switch operating systems and then rewrite or recompile the 18,000 jobs and associated programs that execute every night? Not me. I like my job. *--> "Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!" *-->
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when I realized the article title was not "Birth of a Testicle Baby"
that the values espoused by the original luddites (commitment to culture, community, and independence) are so much more attainable in an interconnected world where information is free (as in thought, not beer). Knowledge really is power, and the less a community has to rely on industry or government for their information or approval, the closer we are to having true freedom to live a life our short little lives in a fashion that suits us.
From a geeks technical point of view OS X is the best of all worlds (BSD, Mach, Apple presentation layer). But the folks who make up the majority of the mac's hardcore user base are already starting to feel a bit alienated by the new interface and the loss of some of the components near and dear to the mac users heart (Apple Menu, Application Switcher,etc.) The big question here is, will the people follow? And more importantly, will the application developers follow if there is a backlash against OS X? Now don't get me wrong, I will buy a Powerbook just to run OS X because I think it's so cool, but the designers I work with, some whom have been using Macs thier entire professional lives are not so excited. In fact, they're downright hostile towards the whole thing.... Should be interesting.
The ZDTV show "The Screen Savers" did a segment on this very subject last night. The writeup will be at thier site today sometime. I know the Screen Savers folks are Slashdot readers, since half their daily pool seem to come from /. , I'm sure they will get a kick out of being first for once.
Failure Magazine is not only being Slashdotted right now, but NPR's all things considered just did a piece on the online 'zine as well. It can be found Here.
One of the cool things about the Metaverse in Snow Crash was the ability to have your avatar actually look like you. As I recall though, it was the ability of the avatar to display emotions via facial expressions that really set the technologic elite apart from the common rabble.
You heard it here first kids, the new trend called "merger via settlement".
This is how it works - The record companies get a well known portal for distribution, and the site owners avoid being constantly hit over the head record industry lawsuits.
Can't convince yourself that this is a merger wrapped in a settlement? Read the following quotes from the article and pretend you know nothing about the lawsuit:
"We look forward to working with WMG to expand its boundaries and are grateful to the entire WMG team for the insight and trust they've demonstrated and for making this opportunity possible."
and
"The licensing agreements will allow consumers to store copies of Warner Music Group or BMG compact discs they already own with MP3.com. The record companies will share an undisclosed amount of money received in the settlements with its artists. "
Sounds like a merger to me...
Over the course of the next year we'll begin to see the "lion laying down with the lamb" as both parties figure out that cooperation is more profitable than compitition.
No, I don't think I missed the point. I agree with everyone that bandwidth is an issue (although that's changing) and that realtime weather forecasting is not a good candidate for distributed processing.
BUT, my point was that the distributed/shared processing model would be good for A TON of static batch type problem work that's being run on monolithic systems currently, but very few organizations even consider the distributed model.
The ones who do (SETI, etc.) have more CPU cycles than they know what to do with (literally).
Lastly, Greg - I wasn't trying to read your mind, I was just questioning your mindset. Irregardless, I appriciate the time you took to answer everyone's questions so completely.
The question:
I am curious as to whether (no pun intended...:)) or not you have ever done any testing to see if a distributed.net type environment would be useful for your type of work?
The answer:
SNIP
Running distributed.net type problems on the FSL cluster is a bit of a waste...
SNIP
I think Greg's answer to this question, i.e. not understanding that the question was about running simulations outside of his cluster, is indicative of the "we've got to run our jobs on somthing that sits in a big air-conditioned room on our site" mentality. Once people start to realize the potential that gazillions of unused processor cycles represent, we'll start to see incentives and advertising designed to lure people to donate thier cycles to one project or another.
Of course then, only the cool, "pretty" projects will get attention.
I actually met this guy back around '86 when I was still in Jr. High. The thing I remember most was the fact that he controlled a little Radio Shack Model 100 "laptop" via two buttons (one on each handlebar grip). One button was the 0, and the other the 1. He could bike from city to city and write code and text in binary. It completly blew me away.
I think I covered this in point #1, we can already run mutiple instances of linux in virtual machine mode. The subject of this thread is a *native* port....
1. We've been able to run Linux on S/390's for a long time, in virtual machine mode. This is pretty neat but has limited practical usage. 2.IBM has had Linux available for the S/390 since January! 3.A mainframe is VERY expensive to purchase and maintain (or lease). Who's going to make that kind of investment to run an operating system that wastes a good percentage of those expensive MIPS when OS/390:MVS does a much better job? 4. Mainframes are used for mission critical, enterprise level proccessing. Who's going to tell the 25,000 users who depend on the mainframe to do thier jobs, that we're going to switch operating systems and then rewrite or recompile the 18,000 jobs and associated programs that execute every night? Not me. I like my job. *--> "Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!" *-->