Want to know what I think? I think that this article is a clear demonstration of the reading of an article that someone does not like (in this case: Ryandav), followed by reasons explaining why exactly that article should or should not exist. And the problem with that is that because they cannot deny the facts presented in that article, they are forced to tear down something else, ie. ZDNet.
If ZDNet produces a good article, why the hell shouldn't they get money for it? Does everybody think that every non-slashdot commercial news site on earth is evil and sadistic?
I think it is best to read the article, formulate an opinion on that *article* (most of the time) and go from there. How come an article like this one, score 4, which has very little relevancy to the actual topic of this thread, gets such a high score?
-DB
P.S. I will have a non-heated response to the actual article posted momentarily, just had to get that out of the way.
My boss was just talking about IBM's recent OS/2 work. It sounded like they were working on something new, too. Regardless, OS/2, as has been said earlier, is not going to just flop over and die.
You're right. I am all talk. Here I am with this brilliant idea that many others have thought of as well, and yet I go out and spend over 600 dollars on CDs anyway.
It's one thing to say that something should be done, it's another thing entirely to do it. But I wasn't saying that I did do that, I was merely suggesting that that could be a good way of doing things. It's sorta like saving up your money. It's easy to see that it's the right thing to do, but it's so tempting to spend the cash. Likewise, once you have the songs you want easily-accessible on your system, you don't like the idea of sending money away for it;)
I work for IBM Canada in Vancouver, B.C., and I cannot say that my experience applies to all of IBM, but:
IBM is friendly towards Linux & Unix
At work, we can do whatever we want with our systems. On the programming side of things, I don't do a lot of coding at IBM, but as far as I know the programmers are treated pretty well and can do things the way they want to.
Any programming that my team does is controlled by IBM. Although our terminals are allowed to have Linux partitions or just plain linux, any work we do is the property of IBM. This is of course vague. Open Source licenses override that in several areas I'm sure, but if I develop software of any sort to work with an open source program, IBM will control whatever they can.
If I'm programming on my own time at work, IBM obviously does not control my work.
Well, there you go.. a couple of observations from my side of things, working for a large corporation.
I'm not a lawyer or anything - I'm only 16 - but I would imagine that my supervisors would not be pleased if I was doing "personal" programming during work hours. Not very productive for the company. I can't speak from personal experience, but if one of my programs winded up in usage at IBM, and I had to do modifications to it, or add to it etc., even if it was released under the GPL, it would probably be a difficult task sorting out what I can and can't do.
Perhaps we should collect our mp3s at a higher quality and then just send the cash directly to artists? They get more money, we don't have to leave our homes, and it removes that pesky, bloated middleman.
The big distribution companies would hurt, but they have taken in a fair bit of cash already, and I like the idea of being able to pay half the price for a CD and give the artist three times what the would get had I bought music at a store.
Up in Vancouver, BC, Canada, I pay 13 to 18 dollars per CD. Most brand new CDs that come out are on sale for 13 dollars. 13.00 = $8.84 USD 18.00 = $12.24 USD
I understand what you mean... I think it's being approached from the wrong angle entirely.. If you get beaten in the streets you're not expected to chase after the person and sue them for $10.
a.) is it worth it to chase 1 spam message from 1 person in 1 specific state for $10? you have to figure out what state he's in as well, and all of this takes time that you could spend working at your high-end IT job - or at least playing Quake III. b.) what happens to the company that's out $10 a message? Look at the stuff they're selling - they make so much money back off of the spam that the 10 bucks doesn't even scratch them.
One thing you could do is raise that fine to $1000. But of course, people define spam differently. Who says what spam is? Do you agree??? Spam needs to be strictly define, and at that point it becomes pretty gray and everybody's starting to think "aw whatever i want to go play UT."
I'm not against doing something, but the approach is wrong. You can't be expected to hunt down people that are harassing you in real life, let alone for a $10 fine. The truth is that from my experience ISPs do not care. I have sent dozens of e-mail messages to @home's abuse and never gotten a serious reply (Make filters for every type of spam message that I get??!!?)
I fail to see the point of this. Perhaps it establishes a precedent, but you're still getting the mail and almost all of the time you know that it's spam anyway. The annoying part is that you're getting it at all. It will, however, be very easy to get rid of all of that spam mail now - as long as it comes from colorado... wow... that's a lot of spam I bet! (Not.) Compared to the amount of spam that's pumped out of the other states combines, the only thing that this rule does is set a small precedent in a large war. How many people are even going to follow the rules anyway... they're already hated by everyone, and if they brake the rules, so what? who's going to track them down? and how do you define advertising anyway?
"Hey doug I got a new [car], it's a really nice one... only 50,000 and if you buy today you get 0% financing!!"
Something else needs to be done.. and even then, we all know the spammers will go elsewhere.. where there's a will there's a way and they've got tonnes of wills (only 29.99!). ~DB@h
The difference between Mitnick's situation and your own is simply that the government cannot identify the data that Mitnick encrypted. Look at it this way...
Instead of having chemical fertilizer, the government has in their possession an object. They don't know what it is... it's black and extremely heavy, but its composition includes carbon.
They cannot release the "object" because it cannot be identified. They do not know if it is dangerous or not. When you compare this to Mitnick's situation, the fact that Mitnick's data is in fact data is similar to saying that the object in the scenario I created above is composed (in part) of carbon - you still don't know what it is.
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If ZDNet produces a good article, why the hell shouldn't they get money for it? Does everybody think that every non-slashdot commercial news site on earth is evil and sadistic?
I think it is best to read the article, formulate an opinion on that *article* (most of the time) and go from there. How come an article like this one, score 4, which has very little relevancy to the actual topic of this thread, gets such a high score?
-DB
P.S. I will have a non-heated response to the actual article posted momentarily, just had to get that out of the way.
-DB
-DB
It's one thing to say that something should be done, it's another thing entirely to do it. But I wasn't saying that I did do that, I was merely suggesting that that could be a good way of doing things. It's sorta like saving up your money. It's easy to see that it's the right thing to do, but it's so tempting to spend the cash. Likewise, once you have the songs you want easily-accessible on your system, you don't like the idea of sending money away for it ;)
-DB
- IBM is friendly towards Linux & Unix
- At work, we can do whatever we want with our systems. On the programming side of things, I don't do a lot of coding at IBM, but as far as I know the programmers are treated pretty well and can do things the way they want to.
- Any programming that my team does is controlled by IBM. Although our terminals are allowed to have Linux partitions or just plain linux, any work we do is the property of IBM. This is of course vague. Open Source licenses override that in several areas I'm sure, but if I develop software of any sort to work with an open source program, IBM will control whatever they can.
- If I'm programming on my own time at work, IBM obviously does not control my work.
Well, there you go.. a couple of observations from my side of things, working for a large corporation.I'm not a lawyer or anything - I'm only 16 - but I would imagine that my supervisors would not be pleased if I was doing "personal" programming during work hours. Not very productive for the company. I can't speak from personal experience, but if one of my programs winded up in usage at IBM, and I had to do modifications to it, or add to it etc., even if it was released under the GPL, it would probably be a difficult task sorting out what I can and can't do.
-DB
The big distribution companies would hurt, but they have taken in a fair bit of cash already, and I like the idea of being able to pay half the price for a CD and give the artist three times what the would get had I bought music at a store.
-DB
As the past few years have clearly demonstrated, nearly everybody does, in fact, blow their cash on high-priced music CDs. Where have you been? -DB
Up in Vancouver, BC, Canada, I pay 13 to 18 dollars per CD. Most brand new CDs that come out are on sale for 13 dollars. 13.00 = $8.84 USD 18.00 = $12.24 USD
The code is nasty, and the look is 100% Microsoft.
I paid 200 dollars for this high-tech multi-function strap-on piece of metal. Down with FOSSIL!!! Up with 11 year warranties!!!
a.) is it worth it to chase 1 spam message from 1 person in 1 specific state for $10? you have to figure out what state he's in as well, and all of this takes time that you could spend working at your high-end IT job - or at least playing Quake III.
b.) what happens to the company that's out $10 a message? Look at the stuff they're selling - they make so much money back off of the spam that the 10 bucks doesn't even scratch them.
One thing you could do is raise that fine to $1000. But of course, people define spam differently. Who says what spam is? Do you agree??? Spam needs to be strictly define, and at that point it becomes pretty gray and everybody's starting to think "aw whatever i want to go play UT."
I'm not against doing something, but the approach is wrong. You can't be expected to hunt down people that are harassing you in real life, let alone for a $10 fine. The truth is that from my experience ISPs do not care. I have sent dozens of e-mail messages to @home's abuse and never gotten a serious reply (Make filters for every type of spam message that I get??!!?)
~Dell
It may also be noted that in the case of the fertilizer, the guy is not trying to cover up the fact that it is fertilizer.