Hello, All. Rob Flynn here, Gaim Maintainer and leader devleoper.
We have, on some occasions, experienced this as well. It only happens, however, when using our experimental oscar support.
Our Oscar support is based on a package called libfaim. This is a somewhat reverse engineered library that allows anyone to use the OSCAR server. AOL has recently started blocking libfaim. Note: They are not blocking the clients theselves it appears to only be this library.
I spoke with several people at AOL and learned that the TOC servers would not be affected. (I guess we can still expect the occasional TOC-Burp that we all experience from time to time).
If anyone has any questions on this matter, please feel free to let me know.
Thanks and Take Care,
Rob
PS: Gaim 0.10.0 was released this morn':-)
I have an idea for something more useless than the on-screen keyboards that you click with your mouse..
A print out of UPC codes for a full qwerty keyboard. Simply plug up your amazing:Cue Cat and scan away! I gurantee at least a rate of 3 papercuts a minute!:)
Simply put,
I find it slightly odd that these people are being backed by CBS and a variety of other companies that are all complaining about piracy (whether it be of music, video, etc). I can't really see how something of this nature would even be allowed. How can they complain about napster/etc while backing things like this? If I were a PhD and found my thesis for sale on this site, I would be ripped.
Take care, Peace, and happy hacking
Rob
Heh, yup yup. You'd think so? Ahh well, things don't always go as we hope, I suppose. Anyways, if anyone has any interesting patches or whatever, feel free to send'em in.:-)
Heya,
If you send off an e-mail to me and remind me I'll send you a working copy of 0.9.10. It may have a couple other issues due to some protocol changes, though. Have you tried to compile 0.9.20?
That reminds me of a situation that I had to deal with about a year ago as a Gaim developer. Our old logo was of tux, with the AOL running man hugging him and an AOL logo kind of faded in behind them. We thought that it'd show the "AOL/Linux" thing pretty well. Anyways, after the whole Microsoft/AOL battle happened AOL had their lawyers send us a letter asking us to remove their logo from ours. Of course, they had every right to do this since we didn't get their explicit permission to use their images. This, still, is an example of a larger company using their layers to make a smaller party conform. We removed it immediately and left a nice little hole in our logo for a couple releases with a "Removed by Request" in place of the yellow man and the AOL symbol.
Peace, all, and happy hacking.
I've been noticing that out here in SoCal (perhaps this is everywhere) that when some shows air they have a "True HDTV" message or something similar to that at the bottle of the screen during the intro. I'm assuming some stations are starting to multicast and send both signals. This could ease the switch to HDTV.
I know that here, in California, they recently decided that they are going to open up the Car Pool lanes to NGVs even when only being occupied by one person. This sounds like a great incintive to be NGV, as well.
Heya, Sorry that it took me so long to respond to your post. We found that the signal does degrade and lower throughput with distance. We boosted the signal, however, and got an extra 8 miles of distance while improving throughput at the same time. If you like, I can find my notes and post the information that we found. Take care, Rob
With this ISP's way of thinking I could simply brak into someone's home, take a gun from their stand beside their bed, go into town, and kill someone. The person who's home I broke into would then be sued for having the gun in a place that a burgler would look. Seems logical to me. Cheers and Happy HIjackin'
I was involved with starting a Wireless Internet Provider in a North Carolina Town. We provide 11mb Wireless Access to our customers. The Lucent WaveLan cards that we used to get everything going make use of the 2gig range. 2.4gig to be exact. We experienced very few problems with this setup (except for the line of site limitation). We did, however, get interference from an 800mhz Pager Tower. This being a third harmonic situation, the best we could hope to do was place some filters on the tower. That, or look for another location:-). For anyone that doesn't quite understand the 3rd Harmonic thing, let me know. A quick explaination is: 800mhz x 3 = 2,400mhz (2.4gig). Take care and Happy Giggin'
Althought I do not know if AOL would implement the PGP/Encrypted/Key style of messaging, it could be accomplished with a fairly simple GAIM plugin. Although, it'd only work from GAIMGAIM. I've been talking with the TiK authors on various occasions about making our two clients interoperate a little better. We support some of their customized features and in return they support some of ours. It could work out to be a pretty good thing:-) Cheers and Happy Slashdotting
Incase anyone hasn't heard yet, AOL has posted a small press release accompanied by some documentation/information about their "release" of AIM. You can find the necessary info here. Cheers and happy hacking.
If you'll take a look at Everybuddy, it combine's everyone's accounts under a "Contact Name." A contact name can be a real world name. For example you can have a Contact of "Rob Flynn". Within that contact would be: Rob Flynn RobFlynn 1358450 IBRRob Cheers.
Heya. There's also been plenty of work out there in backwards engineering the oscar client -- we won't go into that here, though. heh. Anyways, You're correct on the TOC server being a "scaled down" version of OSCAR. Currently TOC does not support: Talk, Direct Connections (Images/etc), sending files, and buddy icons. In the TOC Protocol spec there are places set up for rvous_propose which would allow you to send propose requests. With this implemented sending/receiving files, talks, etc should be trivial. We'd just need to be told what protocol to use once the clientClient talks have been initiated. If not, I'm sure we could hack them up ourselves. The only other thing lying around other than that would be buddy icons. Either way, this can be a Good Thing(tm). Cheers and Happy/.'ing
Correct. TOC doesnt allow most of the features as OSCAR. They did, in recent versions, implement password changing, screen name reformatting, file receive, and it looks like the skeleton of sending files. You can also send a file if an OSCAR user sends you a request for a file. Cheers.
The OSCAR/TOC servers can be used as a gateway to ICQ servers. Open u p a copy of your instant messanger and type in an ICQ # and a password. See what happens:). Cheers.
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Hello, All. Rob Flynn here, Gaim Maintainer and leader devleoper. We have, on some occasions, experienced this as well. It only happens, however, when using our experimental oscar support. Our Oscar support is based on a package called libfaim. This is a somewhat reverse engineered library that allows anyone to use the OSCAR server. AOL has recently started blocking libfaim. Note: They are not blocking the clients theselves it appears to only be this library. I spoke with several people at AOL and learned that the TOC servers would not be affected. (I guess we can still expect the occasional TOC-Burp that we all experience from time to time). If anyone has any questions on this matter, please feel free to let me know. Thanks and Take Care, Rob PS: Gaim 0.10.0 was released this morn' :-)
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Rob Flynn
I have an idea for something more useless than the on-screen keyboards that you click with your mouse ..
A print out of UPC codes for a full qwerty keyboard. Simply plug up your amazing :Cue Cat and scan away! I gurantee at least a rate of 3 papercuts a minute! :)
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Rob Flynn
On September the 8th, 2001 the epoch time will roll over from 999999999 to 1000000000 ;-)
Hey, I'm a geek, it's a big event! :-P
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Rob Flynn
Simply put, I find it slightly odd that these people are being backed by CBS and a variety of other companies that are all complaining about piracy (whether it be of music, video, etc). I can't really see how something of this nature would even be allowed. How can they complain about napster/etc while backing things like this? If I were a PhD and found my thesis for sale on this site, I would be ripped. Take care, Peace, and happy hacking Rob
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Rob Flynn
Heh, yup yup. You'd think so? Ahh well, things don't always go as we hope, I suppose. Anyways, if anyone has any interesting patches or whatever, feel free to send'em in. :-)
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Rob Flynn
Heya, If you send off an e-mail to me and remind me I'll send you a working copy of 0.9.10. It may have a couple other issues due to some protocol changes, though. Have you tried to compile 0.9.20?
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Rob Flynn
We tried. It looks like they didn't want to. Offered to help as well and was rejected. Oh well. Heh.
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Rob Flynn
That reminds me of a situation that I had to deal with about a year ago as a Gaim developer. Our old logo was of tux, with the AOL running man hugging him and an AOL logo kind of faded in behind them. We thought that it'd show the "AOL/Linux" thing pretty well. Anyways, after the whole Microsoft/AOL battle happened AOL had their lawyers send us a letter asking us to remove their logo from ours. Of course, they had every right to do this since we didn't get their explicit permission to use their images. This, still, is an example of a larger company using their layers to make a smaller party conform. We removed it immediately and left a nice little hole in our logo for a couple releases with a "Removed by Request" in place of the yellow man and the AOL symbol. Peace, all, and happy hacking.
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Rob Flynn
I've been noticing that out here in SoCal (perhaps this is everywhere) that when some shows air they have a "True HDTV" message or something similar to that at the bottle of the screen during the intro. I'm assuming some stations are starting to multicast and send both signals. This could ease the switch to HDTV.
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Rob Flynn
I know that here, in California, they recently decided that they are going to open up the Car Pool lanes to NGVs even when only being occupied by one person. This sounds like a great incintive to be NGV, as well.
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Heya, Sorry that it took me so long to respond to your post. We found that the signal does degrade and lower throughput with distance. We boosted the signal, however, and got an extra 8 miles of distance while improving throughput at the same time. If you like, I can find my notes and post the information that we found. Take care, Rob
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With this ISP's way of thinking I could simply brak into someone's home, take a gun from their stand beside their bed, go into town, and kill someone. The person who's home I broke into would then be sued for having the gun in a place that a burgler would look. Seems logical to me. Cheers and Happy HIjackin'
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I was involved with starting a Wireless Internet Provider in a North Carolina Town. We provide 11mb Wireless Access to our customers. The Lucent WaveLan cards that we used to get everything going make use of the 2gig range. 2.4gig to be exact. We experienced very few problems with this setup (except for the line of site limitation). We did, however, get interference from an 800mhz Pager Tower. This being a third harmonic situation, the best we could hope to do was place some filters on the tower. That, or look for another location :-). For anyone that doesn't quite understand the 3rd Harmonic thing, let me know. A quick explaination is: 800mhz x 3 = 2,400mhz (2.4gig). Take care and Happy Giggin'
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They've already started. Try typing in your ICQ # and ICQ Password into your AOL Instant Messanger Client. Cheers :-)
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Althought I do not know if AOL would implement the PGP/Encrypted/Key style of messaging, it could be accomplished with a fairly simple GAIM plugin. Although, it'd only work from GAIMGAIM. I've been talking with the TiK authors on various occasions about making our two clients interoperate a little better. We support some of their customized features and in return they support some of ours. It could work out to be a pretty good thing :-) Cheers and Happy Slashdotting
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Incase anyone hasn't heard yet, AOL has posted a small press release accompanied by some documentation/information about their "release" of AIM. You can find the necessary info here. Cheers and happy hacking.
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Heh. Hack up a swedish Chef plugin and send that to me :-) Cheers.
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If you'll take a look at Everybuddy, it combine's everyone's accounts under a "Contact Name." A contact name can be a real world name. For example you can have a Contact of "Rob Flynn". Within that contact would be: Rob Flynn RobFlynn 1358450 IBRRob Cheers.
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Heh, yeah. Or any other AIM client, if you wanted to be more specific. Well, as long as they have implemented the protocol correctly.
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yup yup :) I believe we've got all the big one's patched up. Cheers.
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Although considered a rival of us by some people, EveryBuddy has been doing this for a while. http://www.everybudy.com Give them a look :) Cheers
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Heya. There's also been plenty of work out there in backwards engineering the oscar client -- we won't go into that here, though. heh. Anyways, You're correct on the TOC server being a "scaled down" version of OSCAR. Currently TOC does not support: Talk, Direct Connections (Images/etc), sending files, and buddy icons. In the TOC Protocol spec there are places set up for rvous_propose which would allow you to send propose requests. With this implemented sending/receiving files, talks, etc should be trivial. We'd just need to be told what protocol to use once the clientClient talks have been initiated. If not, I'm sure we could hack them up ourselves. The only other thing lying around other than that would be buddy icons. Either way, this can be a Good Thing(tm). Cheers and Happy /.'ing
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Correct. TOC doesnt allow most of the features as OSCAR. They did, in recent versions, implement password changing, screen name reformatting, file receive, and it looks like the skeleton of sending files. You can also send a file if an OSCAR user sends you a request for a file. Cheers.
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The OSCAR/TOC servers can be used as a gateway to ICQ servers. Open u p a copy of your instant messanger and type in an ICQ # and a password. See what happens :). Cheers.
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Hrmm. I already have the GAIM client out there; http://www.marko.net/gaim It's been around about a year and a half. Cheers.
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