personally, i have nothing to hide. come to my house, look through my mail, take pictures of me in my underwear, post them on the internet. i don't give a damn.
as for charging this dude in hopkins with these offenses, that's a different case... there's a difference between knowing where my mailbox is and how to open in and actually going there and reading my mail
i would have to say that you are the immature one in this argument... in the physical sense, everyone knows where my mailbox is and how to open it, but nobody goes through my mail... and nobody should be able to. but like i said, i have nothing to hide, i probably wouldn't care. heck, i don't even know where i'm going with this argument anymore.
nobody cares until someone other than the government does it...
i'll start off by apologizing for my first post pertaining to this article, i failed to read before posting...
now, i agree right on with the Virtual != Physical post... i've seen enough laws applied to computer crime that just do not fit... this is one of them. he didn't steal anything, he copied something. if he used the acquisition of that data to his advantage (example - fraud) in order to protect his own identity, yes he did something illegal. but my understanding is that he did not do anything of the sort... he just had the data.
anyway, back to this Virtual != Physical thing... had he copied the data, then removed all the usernames/passwords from the system, it would be comperable to Physical theft... he did not do this. he just copied the data... he did not "break" into the system, unless that's how we refer to sending queries to the server to check whether or not our password is right (i happen to call this "logging in" or even "trying to log in" when i fail to remember my password on the first try...)
as was stated by another post, l0phtcrack is only "compatible" with ONE server OS... can we guess what that is? that places the "tool" in the prosecutors hands... think of it as holding a gun at someone and saying "i won't fire unless you touch me" and then killing them when they do... are you justified?
there are many computer related "laws" that i would love to see go, especially laws that try to relate Virtual to Physical...
i would hope that anyone who agrees with me and others posting to slashdot finally do something about it. i think it's about time we started writing to our congressmen (sounds mega fun, doesn't it?) and explaining to them why the laws don't fit, and lobbying for a change.
the best way for yahoo or whatever to make it work is NOT to stream the movies... WMA would be a good example. it's available for download, but will only play if your computer is able to contact the server for the correct key. no doubt people will find ways around this, but in this way people don't have to worry about having to rebuffer, etc...
this way advertisers can also slap their banner ads on the top of letterboxed movies to sponsor the movies, etc. or, every time you watch a movie your tab would be added up or whatnot...
anyway, my point is that it *can* work without streaming, i'm actually interested in how yahoo is planning on pulling this off.
what it all comes down to is "own" and "acquire", which is also brought up in the DVD-cSS case... if the gov't can "prove" that even though they possess the data, they don't HAVE the data because it's encrypted... if that flies, geeks of the werld unite, we just won the DVD case on precedence... BUT, if it can be proven that they both possess AND have the data, we're screwed on the DVD thing...
or something like that. it's late, and i'm sleepy...
...but addicted to this confusing and frightening thing called the "internet".
than TCI cable (which happens to have a monopoly in my neck of the woods) would get shut DOWN.
then again, so would this cool online thing... DILUTING THE COMMERCIAL CONTENT?!?! sheesh, if people don't watch your stupid commercials it's because they don't LIKE them. time to fire/re-hire marketting!
okay, nice IDEA, but remember how the decryption works with distributed... we aren't talking a beowulf cluster or nothing, we're talking independant users on their own connections, some teams POSSIBLY consisting of people on MODEMS for crying out loud... BAD ANALOGY.
AND we gotta remember that article a while back about that group from india (or pakistan or krugstrakipanistan or whatever) that made the handheld that could crack 56bit in... how long was it again? i'm sure it was less than an hour... i think it was in the minute range, actually.
plus he can't even use computers for... how long was it again? so even if those files WERE something bad, it's not like he can run off, decrypt, then wreak havoc. however, i would think it funny if he did.:) -barton
i would assume the government HAS already cracked it... they just need him to "confess" the key so it doesn't become a breaking and entering counter-suit... after all, even criminals are protected by law. -barton
the most ironic part about this... Kevin has already spent his time in prison, a period of time that is theoretically supposed to "straighten him out"... what really gets me here is the prosecutions total lack of faith in the legal system. EVEN IF the files are incriminating (like the coat having a gun in the pocket parallel) the lawyers are FAILING to take into account that the time spent in prison is supposed to CHANGE Kevin into a law abiding citizen. #2 nobody can spend time in jail for the same offense twice, isn't that right? isn't that considered double jeopardy? so in this case, even if the evidence IS incriminating, it's AFTER THE FACT, he's already spent his time, HE CAN'T GO BACK FOR THE SAME OFFENSE... i think i got that right... #3 the government has NO right to look through my underwear drawer (but that's an opinion) -barton
*sarcasm* oh well, if i can't PIRATE DVDs in linux (which is my WHOLE intent...) then i guess i'll have to switch back to plain old blatant THEFT from the store. heck, when was the last time SUNCOAST got shut down for being a distro? -barton
now this is just bunk, i've already USED a 900MHz kryotech AMD, so what's with all this stuff about 800MHz computers? and i'm not "privy" to any computers that other people AREN'T, the computer was at a local computer store, along with flyers (pertaining to the 800 and 900MHz kryotech systems) for people interested in purchasing.
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personally, i have nothing to hide. come to my house, look through my mail, take pictures of me in my underwear, post them on the internet. i don't give a damn.
as for charging this dude in hopkins with these offenses, that's a different case... there's a difference between knowing where my mailbox is and how to open in and actually going there and reading my mail
i would have to say that you are the immature one in this argument... in the physical sense, everyone knows where my mailbox is and how to open it, but nobody goes through my mail... and nobody should be able to. but like i said, i have nothing to hide, i probably wouldn't care. heck, i don't even know where i'm going with this argument anymore.
nobody cares until someone other than the government does it...
-barton
i'll start off by apologizing for my first post pertaining to this article, i failed to read before posting...
now, i agree right on with the Virtual != Physical post... i've seen enough laws applied to computer crime that just do not fit... this is one of them. he didn't steal anything, he copied something. if he used the acquisition of that data to his advantage (example - fraud) in order to protect his own identity, yes he did something illegal. but my understanding is that he did not do anything of the sort... he just had the data.
anyway, back to this Virtual != Physical thing... had he copied the data, then removed all the usernames/passwords from the system, it would be comperable to Physical theft... he did not do this. he just copied the data... he did not "break" into the system, unless that's how we refer to sending queries to the server to check whether or not our password is right (i happen to call this "logging in" or even "trying to log in" when i fail to remember my password on the first try...)
as was stated by another post, l0phtcrack is only "compatible" with ONE server OS... can we guess what that is? that places the "tool" in the prosecutors hands... think of it as holding a gun at someone and saying "i won't fire unless you touch me" and then killing them when they do... are you justified?
there are many computer related "laws" that i would love to see go, especially laws that try to relate Virtual to Physical...
i would hope that anyone who agrees with me and others posting to slashdot finally do something about it. i think it's about time we started writing to our congressmen (sounds mega fun, doesn't it?) and explaining to them why the laws don't fit, and lobbying for a change.
-barton
well if it's illegal to own/possess the tools, does that make locksmithing an illegal profession?
if this story is entirely true, i guess i'll have to get rid of that handy dandy l0phtcrack, i'm in minnesota, too.
-barton
the best way for yahoo or whatever to make it work is NOT to stream the movies... WMA would be a good example. it's available for download, but will only play if your computer is able to contact the server for the correct key. no doubt people will find ways around this, but in this way people don't have to worry about having to rebuffer, etc...
this way advertisers can also slap their banner ads on the top of letterboxed movies to sponsor the movies, etc. or, every time you watch a movie your tab would be added up or whatnot...
anyway, my point is that it *can* work without streaming, i'm actually interested in how yahoo is planning on pulling this off.
-barton
what it all comes down to is "own" and "acquire", which is also brought up in the DVD-cSS case... if the gov't can "prove" that even though they possess the data, they don't HAVE the data because it's encrypted... if that flies, geeks of the werld unite, we just won the DVD case on precedence... BUT, if it can be proven that they both possess AND have the data, we're screwed on the DVD thing...
...but addicted to this confusing and frightening thing called the "internet".
or something like that. it's late, and i'm sleepy...
-barton
than TCI cable (which happens to have a monopoly in my neck of the woods) would get shut DOWN.
then again, so would this cool online thing... DILUTING THE COMMERCIAL CONTENT?!?! sheesh, if people don't watch your stupid commercials it's because they don't LIKE them. time to fire/re-hire marketting!
-barton
okay, nice IDEA, but remember how the decryption works with distributed... we aren't talking a beowulf cluster or nothing, we're talking independant users on their own connections, some teams POSSIBLY consisting of people on MODEMS for crying out loud... BAD ANALOGY.
AND we gotta remember that article a while back about that group from india (or pakistan or krugstrakipanistan or whatever) that made the handheld that could crack 56bit in... how long was it again? i'm sure it was less than an hour... i think it was in the minute range, actually.
-barton
plus he can't even use computers for... how long was it again? so even if those files WERE something bad, it's not like he can run off, decrypt, then wreak havoc. however, i would think it funny if he did. :)
-barton
i would assume the government HAS already cracked it... they just need him to "confess" the key so it doesn't become a breaking and entering counter-suit... after all, even criminals are protected by law.
-barton
javascript :)
-barton
the most ironic part about this... Kevin has already spent his time in prison, a period of time that is theoretically supposed to "straighten him out"... what really gets me here is the prosecutions total lack of faith in the legal system. EVEN IF the files are incriminating (like the coat having a gun in the pocket parallel) the lawyers are FAILING to take into account that the time spent in prison is supposed to CHANGE Kevin into a law abiding citizen. #2 nobody can spend time in jail for the same offense twice, isn't that right? isn't that considered double jeopardy? so in this case, even if the evidence IS incriminating, it's AFTER THE FACT, he's already spent his time, HE CAN'T GO BACK FOR THE SAME OFFENSE... i think i got that right... #3 the government has NO right to look through my underwear drawer (but that's an opinion) -barton
*sarcasm* oh well, if i can't PIRATE DVDs in linux (which is my WHOLE intent...) then i guess i'll have to switch back to plain old blatant THEFT from the store. heck, when was the last time SUNCOAST got shut down for being a distro? -barton
now this is just bunk, i've already USED a 900MHz kryotech AMD, so what's with all this stuff about 800MHz computers? and i'm not "privy" to any computers that other people AREN'T, the computer was at a local computer store, along with flyers (pertaining to the 800 and 900MHz kryotech systems) for people interested in purchasing.