I live in a fairly sizable city with over a two million population count. We currently have one supercharger fairly far south.
The topic was long trips ("On long trips, it charges during meal and bathroom / stretch breaks..." / "... if you are willing to make sure that your route passes those charging stations"), which is what the current supercharger network was designed for (it's being extended to put more of a focus on supercharging for apartment dwellers' daily drive, but that's a new push). "Between cities" is where they're supposed to be on the current network.
Note that the scheduled superchargers on the maps are only a fraction of the total. A lot of them we don't find out about until Tesla applies for a permit or even when it comes online. This is particularly common with private partnerships - for example, Sheetz is installing superchargers at their gas stations.
It's not a problem the way superchargers work. Superchargers have two stalls per charger. The charger supports 145kW. Each stall supports a max of 120kW (although in practice vehicles generally max out at 112-116kW). It's designed such that at low utilization rates, everyone can hook up to a different charger, while at high utilization rates, you can get some slowdown, but it tends to get into a cycle where the chargers end up with people early in their charge (who can take power as quickly as they can get it) paired with those who are late in their charge (aka, not taking as much power). A Leaf would be like a Tesla that's nearly full; a vehicle in a paired stall would still get almost the max charge rate.
There are two issues at play that I was trying to dig into.
1) European mileages are measured with the NEDC, a joke of a cycle that yields MPG figures about 15% greater than EPA figures on the same car. 2) In the UK, not only is the NEDC used, but on top of that they use imperial gallons, which are 20% larger than US gallons.
This is not true. Tesla has been trying for ages to get other manufacturers to use their network; they *want* higher utilization (for paying customers, of course); their goal is 30% utilization at Superchargers. It's Nissan that you have to complain to, not Tesla.
Take, for example, you linked to a completely different car, nearly a decade ago, being driven on a track (which represents vastly faster energy consumption, whether gas or electric), in a faked segment (and yes, it was faked. Read the court ruling - they didn't rule that it wasn't faked, only that A) it didn't hurt Tesla's sales, and B) viewers wouldn't actually believe that everything that happens in Top Gear is real).
Which "isn't that great"? Lithium is an element. Nothing happens to it over time. It's intercalated into the anodes and cathodes. This is the main place where degradation occurs in modern li-ion batteries. The reference to graphene (not graphite) batteries is an anode tech (normal anodes are graphite).
Regardless, typical degradation on Tesla packs is 4% in the first year, then under 1% in each subsequent year.
No. What I'm saying is that A) people who weren't bringing their cars in wouldn't be mentioning their lack of bringing cars in to their friends, and B) people whose friends hadn't been bringing that up to them wouldn't be bothering to post anecdotes about their friends not bringing their cars in.
What you're seeing is a combination of selection bias and the high media / public interest in Tesla. Consumer Reports rates the Model S as "above average" in terms of reliability (they expect Model 3 to be "average"). Model X, however, is still "below average", so that's legit.
It's also worth noting that Tesla consumer satisfaction ratings always top the industry, at around 90%.
Leaf charging is 1/3rd the speed of Tesla charging. Leafs really don't work for road tripping. Road tripping in a Tesla means stopping for a meal, then leaving with a couple hundred miles more charge. Road tripping in a Leaf.... not so much.
unlike ICE vehicles, EVs increase in range down to around 20-25mph
Are you really trying to use this as a selling point?
Things weird about your reply.
1) You act like we're talking about normal driving, not emergencies. 2) You act like it's a bad thing to have an ability to greatly (2-3x) increase your range, something you don't have with ICE vehicles. 3) You act like you only have two options ("highway speeds" and "20mph"), rather than a continuous range curve between those points. 4) You ignore the entire rest of what you're replying to.
And your claims that charging stations are everywhere is very dubious in comparison to what most people are use to as "charging stations."
Please play to the reality
I gave you a bloody map, what more do you want? And why are you putting "charging stations" in quotes? Superchargers are real. There are 7619 supercharger stalls operational today (aka, not counting those under construction). The average spacing along US interstates is about 70 miles (a bit more in more densely populated areas, a bit less in less densely populated ones), evenly spaced. Doubling by the end of next year. And that's just Tesla's network.
You might have an interest in checking out Björn Nyland on Youtube. He works as a courier in Norway, driving Teslas a crazy number of kilometers every year.
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I have trouble understanding what you're even picturing that the system is. Perhaps you should read the FAQ.
Asking people to learn about a subject before writing uninformed rants against it? You act like you're new here ;)
Yeah, I take my car on the subway every day. ;)
(Also, the whole point of Boring Company is to make tunneling not cost the same as traditional tunneling)
I don't know about you, but around here, buses aren't computer-controlled car carriers (passengers inside) that operate in tunnels.
Consumer Reports rates Model S reliability as "above average", but don't let that ruin a good propaganda campaign.
For starters...
The topic was long trips ("On long trips, it charges during meal and bathroom / stretch breaks..." / "... if you are willing to make sure that your route passes those charging stations"), which is what the current supercharger network was designed for (it's being extended to put more of a focus on supercharging for apartment dwellers' daily drive, but that's a new push). "Between cities" is where they're supposed to be on the current network.
Note that the scheduled superchargers on the maps are only a fraction of the total. A lot of them we don't find out about until Tesla applies for a permit or even when it comes online. This is particularly common with private partnerships - for example, Sheetz is installing superchargers at their gas stations.
No. Everywhere.
Meh, I should have posted you when I actually went to bed (5:30), just to mess with you ;) (Damn you, Universal Paperclips!)
It's not a problem the way superchargers work. Superchargers have two stalls per charger. The charger supports 145kW. Each stall supports a max of 120kW (although in practice vehicles generally max out at 112-116kW). It's designed such that at low utilization rates, everyone can hook up to a different charger, while at high utilization rates, you can get some slowdown, but it tends to get into a cycle where the chargers end up with people early in their charge (who can take power as quickly as they can get it) paired with those who are late in their charge (aka, not taking as much power). A Leaf would be like a Tesla that's nearly full; a vehicle in a paired stall would still get almost the max charge rate.
Gasoline cars experience roughly one fire per 20 million miles. Teslas have averaged one fire per 100 million miles.
There are two issues at play that I was trying to dig into.
1) European mileages are measured with the NEDC, a joke of a cycle that yields MPG figures about 15% greater than EPA figures on the same car.
2) In the UK, not only is the NEDC used, but on top of that they use imperial gallons, which are 20% larger than US gallons.
This is not true. Tesla has been trying for ages to get other manufacturers to use their network; they *want* higher utilization (for paying customers, of course); their goal is 30% utilization at Superchargers. It's Nissan that you have to complain to, not Tesla.
I'm also wondering how this person is routing their trips to avoid superchargers.
Take, for example, you linked to a completely different car, nearly a decade ago, being driven on a track (which represents vastly faster energy consumption, whether gas or electric), in a faked segment (and yes, it was faked. Read the court ruling - they didn't rule that it wasn't faked, only that A) it didn't hurt Tesla's sales, and B) viewers wouldn't actually believe that everything that happens in Top Gear is real).
Which "isn't that great"? Lithium is an element. Nothing happens to it over time. It's intercalated into the anodes and cathodes. This is the main place where degradation occurs in modern li-ion batteries. The reference to graphene (not graphite) batteries is an anode tech (normal anodes are graphite).
Regardless, typical degradation on Tesla packs is 4% in the first year, then under 1% in each subsequent year.
No. What I'm saying is that A) people who weren't bringing their cars in wouldn't be mentioning their lack of bringing cars in to their friends, and B) people whose friends hadn't been bringing that up to them wouldn't be bothering to post anecdotes about their friends not bringing their cars in.
What you're seeing is a combination of selection bias and the high media / public interest in Tesla. Consumer Reports rates the Model S as "above average" in terms of reliability (they expect Model 3 to be "average"). Model X, however, is still "below average", so that's legit.
It's also worth noting that Tesla consumer satisfaction ratings always top the industry, at around 90%.
Leaf charging is 1/3rd the speed of Tesla charging. Leafs really don't work for road tripping. Road tripping in a Tesla means stopping for a meal, then leaving with a couple hundred miles more charge. Road tripping in a Leaf.... not so much.
They're about an hour apart, and constantly becoming denser.
Things weird about your reply.
1) You act like we're talking about normal driving, not emergencies.
2) You act like it's a bad thing to have an ability to greatly (2-3x) increase your range, something you don't have with ICE vehicles.
3) You act like you only have two options ("highway speeds" and "20mph"), rather than a continuous range curve between those points.
4) You ignore the entire rest of what you're replying to.
I gave you a bloody map, what more do you want? And why are you putting "charging stations" in quotes? Superchargers are real. There are 7619 supercharger stalls operational today (aka, not counting those under construction). The average spacing along US interstates is about 70 miles (a bit more in more densely populated areas, a bit less in less densely populated ones), evenly spaced. Doubling by the end of next year. And that's just Tesla's network.
The myth that just won't die.
Wild guess: you're in the UK.
(if not, more details about the vehicle, please)
You might have an interest in checking out Björn Nyland on Youtube. He works as a courier in Norway, driving Teslas a crazy number of kilometers every year.
What, you don't think of electricity in gallons? ;)