Check out the LCD Proc site, as it has lots of fun pictures and information.
I just bought one of these for my new dual Celeron box. I just finished the wood cage for the metal components last night - the hard drive comes tonight - and I full well intend to at least boot it into linux this weekend before I have to disassemble it to make the rest of the case!
Okay, I've read everyone's comments, and I think that the copper mesh should provide sufficient shielding. I don't know how overboard on that I want to go, considering what else I'm trying to do...
As I said, I hope to put up pictures of it in progress, and when complete. I just need to get to a scanner...
There was one comment about heat, and one about the movement of wood. To those guys: I've got that pretty well covered.
As of my current design, insulating against sound is my primary concern. I'm going to line the entire case with a really dense (1 lb. per sq. foot) dB blocking fabric, as well as baffle any ventilation openings. The sound concern is directly related to my ventilation solution. I've long since decided that a filtered positive pressure system is the only way to go. The implementation on the first case wasn't so hot - but I've learned from my mistakes. Both cases are supplied with cool air from a large 90mm AC fan (80? don't remember) of all metal construction. It's not a normal case fan, but rather specifically a high power 'pushing against resistance' fan. The only problem is that it's pretty damn loud, hence the complicated sound protection.
As for the wood movement: Absolutely. I really enjoy joinery and fine woodworking, and realize that one can't make anything without keeping all the grain essentially parallel. For those who don't know, wood expands and contracts with the weather by varying amounts across its grain (perpendicular to the stripe pattern). If you were to make a joint in which the grains were not expanding and contracting in the same directions, then your joint will literally tear itself apart with time. Then what you made will crack, and or, fall apart. Case in point - on the old case I have a mahogany and maple board (grain running up/down; two strips of mahogany with a central 'racing stripe' of maple) working as the face of the box. In it is a slot for the CD tray. I took off the plastic tray's end cap, and mounted a pice of ebonized maple on it. That piece has grain running left/right (naturally), and hence doesn't significantly expand left/right. The face does move, though, and in the winter I was surprised to see that the extra room I had given it on either side wasn't enough, and that the CD tray wouldn't close unless I took the end cap off!
I can go more into depth, and talk about this for many kilobytes, but I'll save that for the web site where I'm going to put all this up for everyone.
Thanks to everyone for their help and comments (sorry, aluminum foil people, I'm going with a little more style than that... this *IS* a piece of furniture, after all). If you have any questions, feel free to talk to me. I love bouncing things off people, and I've given this project a LOT of thought and planning.
Yeah, I have the same problem. I have a P166MMX ATX gateway system that runs Debian and winNT (I only ever go into NT for Quicken and some Photoshop (GIMP's antialiasing of text SUCKS)). I never turn off at school - but try to not leave on at home (no network, no computing). The problem is, after a few hours off - the damn thing just turns itself on! The first few times it really confused me, because i'd wake up and the computer be'd on. Then I caught it in the act, and have been wondering ever since.
Haven't been able to figure it out, but I put it on one of those control base things that let you CUT the power to your box - and that obviously fixed it.
i wasn't gonna get involved in all of this, but...
Mangling one's personality just to "fit in" is pointless and self-destructive. Why bother? What would be gained, anyway? What the hell would I have talked to those kids about, or they to me?
you don't need to be doing any mangling of one's personality, here. just be nice to people. if it means you have to talk about sports or some other item which you really don't have much of a clue about with some people, so be it. i think the largest problem today is that people don't know how to communicate with each other. you'd be surprised how nice people are if you just try a little to be interested in some of their life. you don't need to completely demean yourself, and degrade your interests, but if you make the first step, people will generally be interested in you - this is all to a degree, though. you're not gonna be best buds w/ these people - but making basically 'casual aquaintances' is a good thing. if everyone even talked semi-superficially amongst each other - we'd all be better off. i think it is counter-productive to go around trying to be different, that's just inviting people to mock and ridicule you. anyhow, there's a huge group of 'individual' 'intelligent' 'opressed' kids who all try so hard to be different from the 'norm.' the fact is, they just end up creating their own large group of 'outcasts.' why do we worship these kids, who's to say they're all sooo smart. they're not. just as all jocks are not dumb. c'mon, if there is a group of 'jocks' there's also a group of 'nerds' and there's also a group of 'individuals, who tend to be similar.'
there will always be assholes, and there will always be some really unfortunate kids who give up after they're harassed so much. i'm not asking to make friends w/ the assholes - and i'm not asking you to be best friends w/ anyone - just speak up a little when you see your friends bashing someone. be cool about it, but show at least mild disapproval. 95% of the time they'll at least stop right then. this is just common sense here - the world works much better when people simply respect each other. you don't need to kiss people's feet, people are different - but they're also very similar. some common courtisies have been dropped in todays youth. this is terrible. kids don't respect teachers, feel superior, and treat people miserably. this is bad, plain and simple. there needs to be some structure to life, here. i mean we do live in this wonderful thing called society. take this disrespect a step further, add a little nuttiness, some suggestive media (c'mon. you can't rationally tell me that this situation doesn't sound straight out of a movie, or a game of quake. it's not the whole problem, but is definitely a portion of it) and you have kids shooting people.
i guess i wrote a lot. hmmphh. what can i say. talk to thy neighbor.
i picked up RedHat 5something last year, and tried it out. i got lost. because of the installer, i couldn't figure out what was going on. i never could get back to that same style package manager, either.
i gave up on RedHat, and this past october, got Debian 2.0. I love it. I love dselect. I was warned about it - but why!?! it's fabulous! i love debs, and i love alien for making those ever popular rpms into debs (you know, when you really want some piece o' software, and they don't have it in a deb... and source gets messy when you just want to run it for yourself to see if you like it...)
i don't know why people bash dselect so hard. dpkg isn't even THAT bad - at least not for small stuff. 'dpkg -i foo' is almost a reflex for me now...
i have a mahogany box which i made for myself this summer. as soon as i get near a scanner, i'm putting up pics - submitting to slashdot, and bringing down the server. this summer i intend to make another which will be truely magnificent. the current one is just a normal rectangular shape w/ the stripped down gateway metal chassis (which are VERY nice, by the way) in the mahogany box w/ a mahogany and maple face i made for it. this summer - i think i'm upgrading my system. time to be building something sweet. i haven't decided alpha or intel yet - but i'm making a completely custom case. this one i'm going to steal a removable motherboard tray for mounting the mobo on - and shield the thing w/ copper mesh. everything will be grounded to the power supply ground, with wires nicely guided along the walls of the interior. it'll have ducted ventilation and actually be hidden in a piece of furniture. pretty neat, huh? i can't wait 'till the end of the semester. i've got all the drawings/sketches done...
if anyone's interested in me making one for them - i'll consider doing it for a grand or two. they're good shit, if you know what i mean. drop me an email, we can chat.
There is no way to trace these people if they seriously want to be annonymous [sic].
that's not entirely correct. if someone really wants to know who you are, they can get at your IP, and trace it down to a physical location. also, if you are using ethernet your card has a uniqe signature sent w/ every transaction. that, too could theoretically be traced.
basically, there is no such thing as privacy for us normal schmegeggies.;)
that i think this is a really good thread. i've noticed the degridation of the posts lately, and that i'm glad there are still pleasant, helpful people who think before they comment.
as to the problem at hand, i can't help much. i've been running debian for around six months now, and love it. i still haven't set up my printer for my system - it just works in WordPerfect under its HP LaserJet series II emulation (it's an old IBM 4019E, non postscript).
i also haven't figured out debian's boot scripting process. i don't get the different run levels. i want to put things like OSS 'soundon' in my boot scripts. that's why i was reading. sounded like people might know of resources to learn about this (starting basically, and working to more advanced info) - but alas, scripts seem to be a common weak point in the understanding of their systems...
i know i should pull the source and read all the info, but i'm at work, and i don't have that luxury... well, okay, i do. but i'm lazy.
just curious whether i can pull the latest and compile w/o trouble - i haven't been keeping up w/ dev kernels, and i basically was curious whether some stuff won't run now, or if i need to upgrade packages and the like....
right now i've got a very much updated Debian 2.0 system (almost all Slink, if i'm not mistaken).
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Matrix-Orbital, that is.
Check out the LCD Proc site, as it has lots of fun pictures and information.
I just bought one of these for my new dual Celeron box. I just finished the wood cage for the metal components last night - the hard drive comes tonight - and I full well intend to at least boot it into linux this weekend before I have to disassemble it to make the rest of the case!
Okay, I've read everyone's comments, and I think that the copper mesh should provide sufficient shielding. I don't know how overboard on that I want to go, considering what else I'm trying to do...
As I said, I hope to put up pictures of it in progress, and when complete. I just need to get to a scanner...
There was one comment about heat, and one about the movement of wood. To those guys: I've got that pretty well covered.
As of my current design, insulating against sound is my primary concern. I'm going to line the entire case with a really dense (1 lb. per sq. foot) dB blocking fabric, as well as baffle any ventilation openings. The sound concern is directly related to my ventilation solution. I've long since decided that a filtered positive pressure system is the only way to go. The implementation on the first case wasn't so hot - but I've learned from my mistakes. Both cases are supplied with cool air from a large 90mm AC fan (80? don't remember) of all metal construction. It's not a normal case fan, but rather specifically a high power 'pushing against resistance' fan. The only problem is that it's pretty damn loud, hence the complicated sound protection.
As for the wood movement: Absolutely. I really enjoy joinery and fine woodworking, and realize that one can't make anything without keeping all the grain essentially parallel. For those who don't know, wood expands and contracts with the weather by varying amounts across its grain (perpendicular to the stripe pattern). If you were to make a joint in which the grains were not expanding and contracting in the same directions, then your joint will literally tear itself apart with time. Then what you made will crack, and or, fall apart. Case in point - on the old case I have a mahogany and maple board (grain running up/down; two strips of mahogany with a central 'racing stripe' of maple) working as the face of the box. In it is a slot for the CD tray. I took off the plastic tray's end cap, and mounted a pice of ebonized maple on it. That piece has grain running left/right (naturally), and hence doesn't significantly expand left/right. The face does move, though, and in the winter I was surprised to see that the extra room I had given it on either side wasn't enough, and that the CD tray wouldn't close unless I took the end cap off!
I can go more into depth, and talk about this for many kilobytes, but I'll save that for the web site where I'm going to put all this up for everyone.
Thanks to everyone for their help and comments (sorry, aluminum foil people, I'm going with a little more style than that... this *IS* a piece of furniture, after all). If you have any questions, feel free to talk to me. I love bouncing things off people, and I've given this project a LOT of thought and planning.
Thanks!
the subject says it - but i think reactors use closed loop of sodium.
i could be wrong, but that's what i remember.
Yeah, I have the same problem. I have a P166MMX ATX gateway system that runs Debian and winNT (I only ever go into NT for Quicken and some Photoshop (GIMP's antialiasing of text SUCKS)). I never turn off at school - but try to not leave on at home (no network, no computing). The problem is, after a few hours off - the damn thing just turns itself on! The first few times it really confused me, because i'd wake up and the computer be'd on. Then I caught it in the act, and have been wondering ever since.
Haven't been able to figure it out, but I put it on one of those control base things that let you CUT the power to your box - and that obviously fixed it.
before you make that decision for the Viper 770, you'd probably better visit Tom's Hardware
With the TNT cards, he liked Asus and Hercules the best, and cautioned against the Creative card...
food for thought. mmmmmm. foooood.
which, of course is Tom's Hardware
I honestly can't remember which Voodoo2 he liked, though. They don't compare in all-round performance to a TNT (or TNT2)...
also, important.
never forget PriceWatch
i wasn't gonna get involved in all of this, but...
Mangling one's personality just to "fit in" is pointless and self-destructive. Why bother? What would be gained, anyway? What the hell would I have talked to those kids about, or they to me?
you don't need to be doing any mangling of one's personality, here. just be nice to people. if it means you have to talk about sports or some other item which you really don't have much of a clue about with some people, so be it. i think the largest problem today is that people don't know how to communicate with each other. you'd be surprised how nice people are if you just try a little to be interested in some of their life. you don't need to completely demean yourself, and degrade your interests, but if you make the first step, people will generally be interested in you - this is all to a degree, though. you're not gonna be best buds w/ these people - but making basically 'casual aquaintances' is a good thing. if everyone even talked semi-superficially amongst each other - we'd all be better off. i think it is counter-productive to go around trying to be different, that's just inviting people to mock and ridicule you. anyhow, there's a huge group of 'individual' 'intelligent' 'opressed' kids who all try so hard to be different from the 'norm.' the fact is, they just end up creating their own large group of 'outcasts.' why do we worship these kids, who's to say they're all sooo smart. they're not. just as all jocks are not dumb. c'mon, if there is a group of 'jocks' there's also a group of 'nerds' and there's also a group of 'individuals, who tend to be similar.'
there will always be assholes, and there will always be some really unfortunate kids who give up after they're harassed so much. i'm not asking to make friends w/ the assholes - and i'm not asking you to be best friends w/ anyone - just speak up a little when you see your friends bashing someone. be cool about it, but show at least mild disapproval. 95% of the time they'll at least stop right then. this is just common sense here - the world works much better when people simply respect each other. you don't need to kiss people's feet, people are different - but they're also very similar. some common courtisies have been dropped in todays youth. this is terrible. kids don't respect teachers, feel superior, and treat people miserably. this is bad, plain and simple. there needs to be some structure to life, here. i mean we do live in this wonderful thing called society. take this disrespect a step further, add a little nuttiness, some suggestive media (c'mon. you can't rationally tell me that this situation doesn't sound straight out of a movie, or a game of quake. it's not the whole problem, but is definitely a portion of it) and you have kids shooting people.
i guess i wrote a lot. hmmphh.
what can i say. talk to thy neighbor.
i am a 'newbie' to linux.
i picked up RedHat 5something last year, and tried it out. i got lost. because of the installer, i couldn't figure out what was going on. i never could get back to that same style package manager, either.
i gave up on RedHat, and this past october, got Debian 2.0. I love it. I love dselect. I was warned about it - but why!?! it's fabulous! i love debs, and i love alien for making those ever popular rpms into debs (you know, when you really want some piece o' software, and they don't have it in a deb... and source gets messy when you just want to run it for yourself to see if you like it...)
i don't know why people bash dselect so hard. dpkg isn't even THAT bad - at least not for small stuff. 'dpkg -i foo' is almost a reflex for me now...
i already have.
i have a mahogany box which i made for myself this summer. as soon as i get near a scanner, i'm putting up pics - submitting to slashdot, and bringing down the server. this summer i intend to make another which will be truely magnificent. the current one is just a normal rectangular shape w/ the stripped down gateway metal chassis (which are VERY nice, by the way) in the mahogany box w/ a mahogany and maple face i made for it. this summer - i think i'm upgrading my system. time to be building something sweet. i haven't decided alpha or intel yet - but i'm making a completely custom case. this one i'm going to steal a removable motherboard tray for mounting the mobo on - and shield the thing w/ copper mesh. everything will be grounded to the power supply ground, with wires nicely guided along the walls of the interior. it'll have ducted ventilation and actually be hidden in a piece of furniture. pretty neat, huh? i can't wait 'till the end of the semester. i've got all the drawings/sketches done...
if anyone's interested in me making one for them - i'll consider doing it for a grand or two. they're good shit, if you know what i mean. drop me an email, we can chat.
There is no way to trace these people if they seriously want to be annonymous [sic].
;)
that's not entirely correct. if someone really wants to know who you are, they can get at your IP, and trace it down to a physical location. also, if you are using ethernet your card has a uniqe signature sent w/ every transaction. that, too could theoretically be traced.
basically, there is no such thing as privacy for us normal schmegeggies.
ciao.
that i think this is a really good thread. i've noticed the degridation of the posts lately, and that i'm glad there are still pleasant, helpful people who think before they comment.
as to the problem at hand, i can't help much. i've been running debian for around six months now, and love it. i still haven't set up my printer for my system - it just works in WordPerfect under its HP LaserJet series II emulation (it's an old IBM 4019E, non postscript).
i also haven't figured out debian's boot scripting process. i don't get the different run levels. i want to put things like OSS 'soundon' in my boot scripts. that's why i was reading. sounded like people might know of resources to learn about this (starting basically, and working to more advanced info) - but alas, scripts seem to be a common weak point in the understanding of their systems...
i know i should pull the source and read all the info, but i'm at work, and i don't have that luxury... well, okay, i do. but i'm lazy.
just curious whether i can pull the latest and compile w/o trouble - i haven't been keeping up w/ dev kernels, and i basically was curious whether some stuff won't run now, or if i need to upgrade packages and the like....
right now i've got a very much updated Debian 2.0 system (almost all Slink, if i'm not mistaken).
thanks in advance.