Except that most bathrooms (rooms with a bathtub / shower) also have a toilet in them - thus making bathroom perfectly acceptable. Or you could just be like the French and pee in the stairwell! =p
*twitch* You're using a PS3 on a CRT TV? That's like the A/V equivalent of buying a Ferrari and never driving over 30 mph. I think I'm going to have a seizure...
So once again, you missed the whole point where the data came from the EU Commission and the UN. Unless of course they're in some great conspiracy to manipulate crime statistics to get back at the UK for now adopting the Euro. *rolls eyes* Even the Wikipedia page on violent crime goes into what each country uses and the UK and the US use pretty similar standards.
False, but nice try. From the Wikipedia page on violent crime:
The United States Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) counts five categories of crime as violent crimes: murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault. According to BJS figures, the rate of violent crime victimization in the United States declined by more than two thirds between the years 1994 and 2009.
The key being that in a non-gun-totin' society, it's only the ones who aren't law abiding folks that pack head. Duh. Even in anti-gun fanatic countries, criminals / psychopaths STILL get guns and kill people - why actively prevent people from being able to defend themselves?
There's this disconnect in your brain where you think someone intent on murder (which is illegal) is going to care about the fact that guns are illegal - they don't.
I'm sorry, but you'd feel bad for some asshole who can't drive getting shot? I'd call that a public service because they're removing a dangerous person from the road.
You're not comprehending the definition of "untrained". I mean "untrained" as in "no formal training". You apparently think "untrained" means "mentally retarded and had a gun magically appear in their hands". To do well in a knife fight, you HAVE to know what you're doing. As long as you know how to load and fire a gun, you can hit a target within several feet no problem. You don't have to be Jesse James and be able to bullseye a fly at 200 yards to use a gun to stop a mugger.
A British site openly discussing how the UK is more violent than the majority of countries out there - even the vicious South Africa. The UK comes in at roughly 4.5 TIMES as many violent crimes per 100,000 people as the US. But yea, those evil guns make us SO dangerous....
Because you're afraid to defend yourself? Seriously, if someone is trying to kill you, you would rather die than possibly kill them in self defense? Wow.
A lot of states allow that. You're either not from the US or you're in a police state like California with their moronic unloaded open carry law. You are a prime example of how gun grabbers don't know the first thing about guns or existing gun laws.
Wrong - that's a CONCEALED carry permit. Almost every state (possibly every?) allows everyone to openly carry a gun without any permit. As for said "training", it's literally "Here's how a gun works, here's how you clean a gun, here's basic gun safety (which you can easily find online), and now you have to shoot a few targets at close range to prove that you can fire the gun without shooting yourself or any innocent bystanders".
Except as you and all the other anti-gun fanatics keep missing out on, the people involved in riots usually (not always, but usually) are in one of two categories - 1) people too young to guy guns or 2) people with criminal records preventing them from buying guns. We've had plenty of riots in the US that didn't end in bloody massacres, and that's with around 40-45% of the adult population owning guns.
If you think telling people to just lay down and let their assailants do whatever they please without resisting, you're not only delusional in thinking that they'll be "kind", but you're a sociopath who wants to see innocent people get killed. Every time that there is a shooting in a "gun free" zone (such as the one in Norway), every person who voted for / lobbied for / supported creating a "defense free" zone should be charged with second degree murder, because they actively chose to make it impossible for those people to defend themselves.
You've clearly never been in a life threatening situation. Unless they have some severe mental deficiency (such as being a pacifist - and even then that's not always true) the person who's being attacked unjustly will normally fight quite hard to survive. The bully is just fighting for shits and giggles - the other person is fighting for their life and has much more to lose, thus much more motivation to do whatever it takes to win. You also clearly know very little about gun crime statistics in the US...
Because the government came in and confiscated their weapons - resulting in the usual situation of when only the criminals have guns, the law abiding citizens get fucked in the ass. We've had plenty of riots in the US without any large scale shootings because the ones rioting are typically too young to have guns or already have some sort of criminal record and are thus banned from buying guns. Try looking up crime statistics and compare that to ares that are gun free zones and states that allow concealed carry. Since the majority of states enacted concealed carry laws, which people like you claimed would result in mass murder, gun violence has gone DOWN - criminals are cowardly little punks and even their low IQ's cause them to think twice before messing with someone who might shoot them.
Except you're only looking at murders committed with GUNS. Violent crime in the UK is much higher per capita than in the US - the only difference is that in the UK they're using knives instead of guns. It's much harder for an average person to use a knife to defend themselves against another person wielding a knife - it's much easier for an untrained person to use a gun to defend themselves.
Really - because that's happened SO many times when people rioted in the US - wait, it didn't. It's usually teens (below the legal age to buy a gun) who are the spoiled little shits rioting, hence guns aren't a factor for the rioters.
Sorry to hear about your friends - hopefully they recover. That is exactly why it pains me to see the anti-gun mentality of the UK - so much of this could've easily been prevented (or rapidly stopped) if citizens and shop owners could have used guns to deter or fight back against the thieves.
Just like when multiple dictators (such as Chavez) praised the US when Obama was elected. When murdering tyrants support your decisions, you're doing it wrong.
Similarly, the government shouldn't suppress people's ability to express their political opinions but they can and should restrict people's communications when it comes to planning crimes that cause harm to other people, such as openly planning violent riots.
Ah, I see you've spent too much time watching Minority Report. Planning is irrelevant - only the act of doing matters. Just like I can plan to go ask out the hot blonde at the bar for months but it doesn't mean jack if I don't actually DO it.
There isn't really a question of where to draw the line - you wait until someone actually commits a crime, then you either A) stop them in progress or B) punish / kill them after the fact. You cannot arrest someone for something that hasn't happened yet.
You do realize that "hate literature" is what is known as an "opinion", right? Are you really saying that governments should (I know many already do, but I'm talking about what the right thing to do is) have laws legislating what opinions you are allowed to have? Orwell had a term for that - thought crime.
Well the police and citizens should be armed. Things wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as out of hand if both officers and law abiding citizens under duress were able and ready to permanently end a rioters looting spree.
To be fair, I think the fact that the UK is the most intense police state / surveillance society in the "free" Western countries is what has lead to the claims of fascism (and has for some years before Mr. Cameron was ever elected).
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Except that most bathrooms (rooms with a bathtub / shower) also have a toilet in them - thus making bathroom perfectly acceptable. Or you could just be like the French and pee in the stairwell! =p
*twitch* You're using a PS3 on a CRT TV? That's like the A/V equivalent of buying a Ferrari and never driving over 30 mph. I think I'm going to have a seizure...
So once again, you missed the whole point where the data came from the EU Commission and the UN. Unless of course they're in some great conspiracy to manipulate crime statistics to get back at the UK for now adopting the Euro. *rolls eyes* Even the Wikipedia page on violent crime goes into what each country uses and the UK and the US use pretty similar standards.
False, but nice try. From the Wikipedia page on violent crime:
The United States Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) counts five categories of crime as violent crimes: murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault. According to BJS figures, the rate of violent crime victimization in the United States declined by more than two thirds between the years 1994 and 2009.
The key being that in a non-gun-totin' society, it's only the ones who aren't law abiding folks that pack head. Duh. Even in anti-gun fanatic countries, criminals / psychopaths STILL get guns and kill people - why actively prevent people from being able to defend themselves?
There's this disconnect in your brain where you think someone intent on murder (which is illegal) is going to care about the fact that guns are illegal - they don't.
I'm sorry, but you'd feel bad for some asshole who can't drive getting shot? I'd call that a public service because they're removing a dangerous person from the road.
You're not comprehending the definition of "untrained". I mean "untrained" as in "no formal training". You apparently think "untrained" means "mentally retarded and had a gun magically appear in their hands". To do well in a knife fight, you HAVE to know what you're doing. As long as you know how to load and fire a gun, you can hit a target within several feet no problem. You don't have to be Jesse James and be able to bullseye a fly at 200 yards to use a gun to stop a mugger.
They're using data from the EU Commission and the UN - how is that being "reactionary"?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
A British site openly discussing how the UK is more violent than the majority of countries out there - even the vicious South Africa. The UK comes in at roughly 4.5 TIMES as many violent crimes per 100,000 people as the US. But yea, those evil guns make us SO dangerous....
Because you're afraid to defend yourself? Seriously, if someone is trying to kill you, you would rather die than possibly kill them in self defense? Wow.
A lot of states allow that. You're either not from the US or you're in a police state like California with their moronic unloaded open carry law. You are a prime example of how gun grabbers don't know the first thing about guns or existing gun laws.
Wrong - that's a CONCEALED carry permit. Almost every state (possibly every?) allows everyone to openly carry a gun without any permit. As for said "training", it's literally "Here's how a gun works, here's how you clean a gun, here's basic gun safety (which you can easily find online), and now you have to shoot a few targets at close range to prove that you can fire the gun without shooting yourself or any innocent bystanders".
Or just use the Chewbacca Defense.
Except as you and all the other anti-gun fanatics keep missing out on, the people involved in riots usually (not always, but usually) are in one of two categories - 1) people too young to guy guns or 2) people with criminal records preventing them from buying guns. We've had plenty of riots in the US that didn't end in bloody massacres, and that's with around 40-45% of the adult population owning guns.
If you think telling people to just lay down and let their assailants do whatever they please without resisting, you're not only delusional in thinking that they'll be "kind", but you're a sociopath who wants to see innocent people get killed. Every time that there is a shooting in a "gun free" zone (such as the one in Norway), every person who voted for / lobbied for / supported creating a "defense free" zone should be charged with second degree murder, because they actively chose to make it impossible for those people to defend themselves.
You've clearly never been in a life threatening situation. Unless they have some severe mental deficiency (such as being a pacifist - and even then that's not always true) the person who's being attacked unjustly will normally fight quite hard to survive. The bully is just fighting for shits and giggles - the other person is fighting for their life and has much more to lose, thus much more motivation to do whatever it takes to win. You also clearly know very little about gun crime statistics in the US...
Because the government came in and confiscated their weapons - resulting in the usual situation of when only the criminals have guns, the law abiding citizens get fucked in the ass. We've had plenty of riots in the US without any large scale shootings because the ones rioting are typically too young to have guns or already have some sort of criminal record and are thus banned from buying guns. Try looking up crime statistics and compare that to ares that are gun free zones and states that allow concealed carry. Since the majority of states enacted concealed carry laws, which people like you claimed would result in mass murder, gun violence has gone DOWN - criminals are cowardly little punks and even their low IQ's cause them to think twice before messing with someone who might shoot them.
Except you're only looking at murders committed with GUNS. Violent crime in the UK is much higher per capita than in the US - the only difference is that in the UK they're using knives instead of guns. It's much harder for an average person to use a knife to defend themselves against another person wielding a knife - it's much easier for an untrained person to use a gun to defend themselves.
Really - because that's happened SO many times when people rioted in the US - wait, it didn't. It's usually teens (below the legal age to buy a gun) who are the spoiled little shits rioting, hence guns aren't a factor for the rioters.
Sorry to hear about your friends - hopefully they recover. That is exactly why it pains me to see the anti-gun mentality of the UK - so much of this could've easily been prevented (or rapidly stopped) if citizens and shop owners could have used guns to deter or fight back against the thieves.
Just like when multiple dictators (such as Chavez) praised the US when Obama was elected. When murdering tyrants support your decisions, you're doing it wrong.
Similarly, the government shouldn't suppress people's ability to express their political opinions but they can and should restrict people's communications when it comes to planning crimes that cause harm to other people, such as openly planning violent riots.
Ah, I see you've spent too much time watching Minority Report. Planning is irrelevant - only the act of doing matters. Just like I can plan to go ask out the hot blonde at the bar for months but it doesn't mean jack if I don't actually DO it.
There isn't really a question of where to draw the line - you wait until someone actually commits a crime, then you either A) stop them in progress or B) punish / kill them after the fact. You cannot arrest someone for something that hasn't happened yet.
You do realize that "hate literature" is what is known as an "opinion", right? Are you really saying that governments should (I know many already do, but I'm talking about what the right thing to do is) have laws legislating what opinions you are allowed to have? Orwell had a term for that - thought crime.
Well the police and citizens should be armed. Things wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as out of hand if both officers and law abiding citizens under duress were able and ready to permanently end a rioters looting spree.
To be fair, I think the fact that the UK is the most intense police state / surveillance society in the "free" Western countries is what has lead to the claims of fascism (and has for some years before Mr. Cameron was ever elected).
Well then you're going to have to ban pretty much everything then, seeing as how just about every activity involves the possibility of being killed.