I responded to that one because the rest of them were supporting points. That singular one was the critical summation point of the argument and it was just a crap summation from his other points. But you asked so Ill give you individual points about why his is a crap summation. But there are many many many more. 1) Lets assume that he never used this phone in an illicit way before. Whenever people are about to commit major actions they tend to deviate from their traditional paths. Thus you would need to check the phone to be sure. We have not been publicly informed that there was no other useful information they were able to so that first first assumption is faulty. Lets assume he may have previously used it illicitly. Then there is no reason why we as outside observes.should assume there was no other illicit information recently uploaded but not backed up. For example he could have kept a daily terrorist planner with live updates from all other terrorists in his network. the most recent updates ie the ones not backed up remotely could be of vital importance. He could very likely have half written draft texts which were not backed up. IE "Hey previously unkown terrorist boss when this is all over can you please come save my ass?" Thus they would need to check. All my points are just random guessing about things it could be. I don't know for sure. Its impossible to know from this outside observe situation.All these asshats who "know" are asshats who think too much of themselves. Its impossible for the FBI to know for sure whats on there. Thus its even more impossible for us as outside observes to know.
" Given all that, it's highly probable that there's nothing incriminating on that phone at all." That statement is bullshit. You don't know what you are talking about. Its that simple.
Its very possible that they will have a good idea. But gweihir's absolute certainty that Jobs' magical dick up his ass has absolute divine knowledge is rather silly.
Or maybe they were able to block the signal to up the counter or any other million things. Its amazing what funny and reproducible issues you can cause in a chip by even pressing on the physical structure in the right pattern.
Why cause they are so all knowing? I imagine someone with that level of expertise would never leave a vulnerability in their security paradigm for someone to crack.
No, But given the firm named previously was a Israeli firm, there is a good chance they are dual citizens working on this for the military. Also the US has many other agreements/charges that could be pressed with/without the corporation of Israel. Most likely with.
"Odds are they never cared about that anyway, " Thats epic level bullshit. There were loads of obvious reasons There are plenty of philosophical arguments pro-security there is no need to devolve into a blithering idiot denying the obvious benefits to getting into a rather public terrorist's private communication device.
Except the method the FBI used is probably under lock and key, punishable by treason charges for revealing. So Apple may never know the exact method of entry.
Hahahaha suck it Apple bitches. You eat your own shit this time.
Short of completely abandoning modern society and living off the grid there is no way to maintain what was previously known as privacy. The cost to secure IoT devices and retroactively secure the internet age is so massively prohibitive it beyond the wildest of dreams for any realist. The best that can be hoped for is that some new concept of privacy is developed culturally. One where while we could access each-others most private lives we all collectively understand and respect that everyone will have some secret to dig up and choose to "let sleeping dogs lie".
They think that, because it is a bunch of elitist geeks trying to circle the wagons. This issue is the SJW version of the tech community. I respond on these topics just to point out that not even everyone with the tech community agrees with this SJW element.
Obvious reason is obvious, A) Somone fucked up, or B) No one trusted Apple to do the right thing and protect the data. They are using this case because they actualy have a very fucking obvious reason to need this data and everyone but the most ardent purist neckbeard filth and apple fanboy finds sympathetic to their obvious need.. The day you die is a day that no one will notice.
You just said the purpose is never to get into any phone period but only to set precedence. Which is bullshit. Maybe they actually want to get into this fucking phone or another one for a very obvious fucking reason. How.much of a dick sucking blithering purist retard do you have to be to not realize there is obvious value to actually getting into this specific phone. "their accomplices were known" That's the kicker. some yes maybe, not all.
"they then have to comply with ANY lawful request from ANY government in which they sell their devices. "
YES, yes they do. Period. bonus points to you. If they don't want to comply with the laws, they simply do not do business there or incorporate there.
"But they don't have the right to go to the manufacturer of that safe and require them to build a device that lets someone else crack the safe they can't figure out how to crack otherwise."
If the law of the land says they do. YES THEY DO
Who gives a crap. Keeping the genie in the bottle is not Apple's call. PERIOD. They are given a lawful court order. After appeals they comply. If not Cook should be tossed in jail for contempt of court and aiding terrorism and Apple's stock 100% seized by the federal government.
Because "internet construct like ratings beats" the hell out of a "real community" At least when we are using them to "rate" this professions performance.
Traditional cabs smell funny, are late, are impolite, don't know how to efficiently get you places, are more dangerous, are inconvenient , and cost more
The cabbie "community" is an outright failure in policing itself, imho most of these self policing communities are outright failures.
In financial issues one of the most basic criteria for a good analysis is a sensitivity analysis. Its not perfect but you state your underlying assumptions and test them. Often due to reality, your underlying assumptions are wrong. The difference between financial modeling and say, trajectory modeling is that when moving from prototyping, or small scale market tests, is that there are just more variables when running some kind of business. The result is you have more missed calls due to blindsiding. IMHO and I've been involved with both.
Privacy is all well and good. If a company wants to do its best to provide an un-hackable un-accessible device all the more power to them. If there is nothing to be done and you can't access the information that's fair.
This is not the issue here. Apple is reported to have the ability to open up the phone. They are just trying to refuse to do so. This is immoral and likely criminal. There is a valid and reasonable court order to do so. If they can't, fine, but they better as hell try their best.
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Maybe you are right. But we should sure try and think of something.
Violence is, and should be accepted in society.
No. He killed innocents. He is not innocent. He deserves to die a slow tortuous death.
"reverse engineer the code" "piece of hardware "
I responded to that one because the rest of them were supporting points. That singular one was the critical summation point of the argument and it was just a crap summation from his other points. But you asked so Ill give you individual points about why his is a crap summation. But there are many many many more. 1) Lets assume that he never used this phone in an illicit way before. Whenever people are about to commit major actions they tend to deviate from their traditional paths. Thus you would need to check the phone to be sure. We have not been publicly informed that there was no other useful information they were able to so that first first assumption is faulty. Lets assume he may have previously used it illicitly. Then there is no reason why we as outside observes.should assume there was no other illicit information recently uploaded but not backed up. For example he could have kept a daily terrorist planner with live updates from all other terrorists in his network. the most recent updates ie the ones not backed up remotely could be of vital importance. He could very likely have half written draft texts which were not backed up. IE "Hey previously unkown terrorist boss when this is all over can you please come save my ass?" Thus they would need to check. All my points are just random guessing about things it could be. I don't know for sure. Its impossible to know from this outside observe situation.All these asshats who "know" are asshats who think too much of themselves. Its impossible for the FBI to know for sure whats on there. Thus its even more impossible for us as outside observes to know.
" Given all that, it's highly probable that there's nothing incriminating on that phone at all." That statement is bullshit. You don't know what you are talking about. Its that simple.
Its very possible that they will have a good idea. But gweihir's absolute certainty that Jobs' magical dick up his ass has absolute divine knowledge is rather silly.
Or maybe they were able to block the signal to up the counter or any other million things. Its amazing what funny and reproducible issues you can cause in a chip by even pressing on the physical structure in the right pattern.
Unless Apple implemented some glaring obvious hole in their system of course the newer version is going to be harder.
Why cause they are so all knowing? I imagine someone with that level of expertise would never leave a vulnerability in their security paradigm for someone to crack.
No, But given the firm named previously was a Israeli firm, there is a good chance they are dual citizens working on this for the military. Also the US has many other agreements/charges that could be pressed with/without the corporation of Israel. Most likely with.
and many others.
"Odds are they never cared about that anyway, " Thats epic level bullshit. There were loads of obvious reasons There are plenty of philosophical arguments pro-security there is no need to devolve into a blithering idiot denying the obvious benefits to getting into a rather public terrorist's private communication device.
Hahahaha suck it Apple bitches. You eat your own shit this time.
Short of completely abandoning modern society and living off the grid there is no way to maintain what was previously known as privacy. The cost to secure IoT devices and retroactively secure the internet age is so massively prohibitive it beyond the wildest of dreams for any realist. The best that can be hoped for is that some new concept of privacy is developed culturally. One where while we could access each-others most private lives we all collectively understand and respect that everyone will have some secret to dig up and choose to "let sleeping dogs lie".
They think that, because it is a bunch of elitist geeks trying to circle the wagons. This issue is the SJW version of the tech community. I respond on these topics just to point out that not even everyone with the tech community agrees with this SJW element.
...... intellectual property is by requirement public knowledge. Ironically only one caveat of IP deemed secret due to military use.
Obvious reason is obvious, A) Somone fucked up, or B) No one trusted Apple to do the right thing and protect the data. They are using this case because they actualy have a very fucking obvious reason to need this data and everyone but the most ardent purist neckbeard filth and apple fanboy finds sympathetic to their obvious need.. The day you die is a day that no one will notice.
You just said the purpose is never to get into any phone period but only to set precedence. Which is bullshit. Maybe they actually want to get into this fucking phone or another one for a very obvious fucking reason. How .much of a dick sucking blithering purist retard do you have to be to not realize there is obvious value to actually getting into this specific phone. "their accomplices were known" That's the kicker. some yes maybe, not all.
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"they then have to comply with ANY lawful request from ANY government in which they sell their devices. " YES, yes they do. Period. bonus points to you. If they don't want to comply with the laws, they simply do not do business there or incorporate there. "But they don't have the right to go to the manufacturer of that safe and require them to build a device that lets someone else crack the safe they can't figure out how to crack otherwise." If the law of the land says they do. YES THEY DO
Who gives a crap. Keeping the genie in the bottle is not Apple's call. PERIOD. They are given a lawful court order. After appeals they comply. If not Cook should be tossed in jail for contempt of court and aiding terrorism and Apple's stock 100% seized by the federal government.
Traditional cabs smell funny, are late, are impolite, don't know how to efficiently get you places, are more dangerous, are inconvenient , and cost more
The cabbie "community" is an outright failure in policing itself, imho most of these self policing communities are outright failures.
In financial issues one of the most basic criteria for a good analysis is a sensitivity analysis. Its not perfect but you state your underlying assumptions and test them. Often due to reality, your underlying assumptions are wrong. The difference between financial modeling and say, trajectory modeling is that when moving from prototyping, or small scale market tests, is that there are just more variables when running some kind of business. The result is you have more missed calls due to blindsiding. IMHO and I've been involved with both.
This is not the issue here. Apple is reported to have the ability to open up the phone. They are just trying to refuse to do so. This is immoral and likely criminal. There is a valid and reasonable court order to do so. If they can't, fine, but they better as hell try their best.