Some assignments are meant to be worked on in a group. If it was so easy to setup and use wikis, my brother wouldn't be sharing his homework with Google documents for the last year or so.
Which of course is a much easier alternative. The obvious thing to do when you want to share your homework is to learn what a webserver is, download and setup a webserver, then a wiki and configure the firewall so that your classmates can see and edit your homework!
All it takes is to save your document, send it to everybody you want to share it with (or upload it onto RapidShare). Then all you have to do is wait for the ones that have the same version of MS Office to send their modified version of the document, which you open and figure out what changed and then edit your local file, while the ones with another version of MS Office simply use the PC of their dad and send you their edits which don't reflect the current state of the document so you send them the most recent version and explain that you do not have to use a premium account on rapidshare and please check your spam folder because I have definitely sent the mail but forgot the attachment let me send it again maybe the virus filter ate it then zip it with a password did and check if you send Tom the latest version and remember he is using OpenOffice .
you compare logging http requests is the same as shooting people?
No, I don't. I am comparing the legality of these items, same as you can compare the colour of a car to the colour of a dress without implying that the dress runs on gass and the car has a nice lady inside.
Well the definition of physically harming people is pretty straightforward. Your definition of "illegal tracking" is nonexistant and about as clear as "don't be evil".
And the point is? There's a million ways to kill people. We don't need a million laws for that, all we need is the one that says "killing someone is illegal".
Because - again - your analogy is ridiculous. Tracking can mean all sorts of things, killing is straightforward.
Is keeping logfiles tracking? Is targeted advertising tracking? Is amazons "Users who bought X also bought Y" tracking? Some people think the latter is scary, I think it can be quite handy.
I didn't mean the defeating is legal. I meant the surveilance system. Other example: The fact that kevlar exists doesn't make it legal to shoot people. See what I mean? That you can bypass online tracking does not in itself make online tracking legal.
You haven't established that Google has anything like a "surveillance system", and now you compare logging http requests is the same as shooting people? Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I don't see government controls for guns on every street corner, even though gun ownership is largely illegal in Germany (there are exceptions, but very few). I also don't see them handing out "this citizen has no guns" license cards for a fee.
Because your gun analogy doesn't work one bit.
You want government to restrict "surveillance systems", however you define them. The fact of the matter is you can build a surveillance system with *any* tracker or logging system. People surf web pages, web pages embed *lots* of content from other web pages, the requests sent to those third party servers can be thrown away, or can be stored. Using the Google analytics script is no different than using an external javascript library on your web page or even a lolcat picture. You cannot guarantee that the hosts of either of them doesn't build a "surveillance system" with the requests, except when you check their systems.
I think you're blinded by ideology and have been missing the point for a while now.
It's pretty difficult to see your point when you talk about guns and kevlar.
Yes, I do. I believe we have a right to know whether or not the people who rule us are sane. There are serious medical experts who have doubts about Mr. Schäubles sanity.
So you want a doctor to examine him? Fine. It sounded like you wanted politicians to give up their privacy.
Just because it is technically possible to defeat a surveilance system doesn't make it legal.
Trust me, modifying your hosts file and not connecting to a server is perfectly legal. Or has that already changed with "Vorratsdatenspeicherung"?
Google is a privacy concern due to the sheer amount of data they collect and use. Even the majority of/. readers agree on that. The difference is that most of us can help ourselves - as your example shows. Most of the non-tech people can't. They need the government to stop in.
As I already said, the data on Google analytics is comparable to any other tracking system. You can speculate on all kinds of sinister stuff they do with the data, but don't anything for sure know unless you have access to Googles computers, which is probably what comes next. But hey, all in the name of fighting Big Brother. Soon you'll have to get a license for your webserver and government regularly controls that you don't have any logfiles. For a few euros, of course.
Laypersons can install all kinds of add-ons and anonymizing software if they care about not being tracked. Firefox and Chrome (Googles Browser) already have a stealth mode.
Oh dear, now you're mixing things up a lot. Gravenreuth has been thrown out of the picture years ago. By the same government you accuse of cooperating with him.
The laws he exploited are still there and get worse. There will be new ones.
And yes, the government doesn't like privacy very much. However, we also have courts to watch out for us, just like you do, and they are very influential. A lot of bad laws get thrown out or modified by the high courts.
Still, I don't see how giving me a fee because my website uses Google analytics is protecting anyones privacy. I can't tell more from Google analytics than from any other tracker system and there certainly isn't any functionality to track individual users. Tracking can be done however by including *any* resource on my site to a foreign host. Should we fine people using AdSense too? Embedding Lolcats? Or including an external javascript library, just because somebody *could* track you with it?
The crazy thing is that all this is done in the name of fighting "Big Brother", which is supposedly google. How did I miss the chapter "How Winston Smith defeated the televisors by entering echo 127.0.0.1 www.google-analytics.com >>/etc/hosts"?
If you don't wan't to be tracked by Google on the internet, don't establish a connection to Google's computers. If you don't know how to avoid it, learn how to use your browser.
This is just a plot for internet lawyers (Gravenreuths) to extort money out of people.
And rightly so. You do business under the law of the land, so the law of the land tells you how you can do it. If you don't like it, you can shove off to some place in the middle of Africa where they don't have laws.
Maybe the law of the land is bullshit? Maybe there is another alternative to "accepting all existing and planned laws" than living in Africa?
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just adding that bookmark sync is already implemented and other extensions are on the way
Is this a Markov chain text generator or something?
to Canadas youth: Stop ruining the internet for us adults. Seriously, go fuck yours---------CARRIER LOST
Why do I have to setup software or even *write it* when I can just say "use Google documents"? The point is that these online apps are simple to use.
Then why do people use it?
I will suggest a 699$ Exchange Server 2007 Standard Edition license the next time when someone asks me how to easily collaborate on documents.
Some assignments are meant to be worked on in a group. If it was so easy to setup and use wikis, my brother wouldn't be sharing his homework with Google documents for the last year or so.
I would edit my post to include that factoid too, if I could.
Which of course is a much easier alternative. The obvious thing to do when you want to share your homework is to learn what a webserver is, download and setup a webserver, then a wiki and configure the firewall so that your classmates can see and edit your homework!
I totally agree.
All it takes is to save your document, send it to everybody you want to share it with (or upload it onto RapidShare). Then all you have to do is wait for the ones that have the same version of MS Office to send their modified version of the document, which you open and figure out what changed and then edit your local file, while the ones with another version of MS Office simply use the PC of their dad and send you their edits which don't reflect the current state of the document so you send them the most recent version and explain that you do not have to use a premium account on rapidshare and please check your spam folder because I have definitely sent the mail but forgot the attachment let me send it again maybe the virus filter ate it then zip it with a password did and check if you send Tom the latest version and remember he is using OpenOffice .
do they use vim or emacs now?
you compare logging http requests is the same as shooting people?
No, I don't. I am comparing the legality of these items, same as you can compare the colour of a car to the colour of a dress without implying that the dress runs on gass and the car has a nice lady inside.
Well the definition of physically harming people is pretty straightforward. Your definition of "illegal tracking" is nonexistant and about as clear as "don't be evil".
And the point is? There's a million ways to kill people. We don't need a million laws for that, all we need is the one that says "killing someone is illegal".
Because - again - your analogy is ridiculous. Tracking can mean all sorts of things, killing is straightforward.
Is keeping logfiles tracking? Is targeted advertising tracking? Is amazons "Users who bought X also bought Y" tracking? Some people think the latter is scary, I think it can be quite handy.
What aspects of GA are illegal in your opinion?
Define what you mean.
I didn't mean the defeating is legal. I meant the surveilance system. Other example: The fact that kevlar exists doesn't make it legal to shoot people. See what I mean? That you can bypass online tracking does not in itself make online tracking legal.
You haven't established that Google has anything like a "surveillance system", and now you compare logging http requests is the same as shooting people? Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I don't see government controls for guns on every street corner, even though gun ownership is largely illegal in Germany (there are exceptions, but very few). I also don't see them handing out "this citizen has no guns" license cards for a fee.
Because your gun analogy doesn't work one bit.
You want government to restrict "surveillance systems", however you define them. The fact of the matter is you can build a surveillance system with *any* tracker or logging system. People surf web pages, web pages embed *lots* of content from other web pages, the requests sent to those third party servers can be thrown away, or can be stored. Using the Google analytics script is no different than using an external javascript library on your web page or even a lolcat picture. You cannot guarantee that the hosts of either of them doesn't build a "surveillance system" with the requests, except when you check their systems.
I think you're blinded by ideology and have been missing the point for a while now.
It's pretty difficult to see your point when you talk about guns and kevlar.
Yes, I do. I believe we have a right to know whether or not the people who rule us are sane.
There are serious medical experts who have doubts about Mr. Schäubles sanity.
So you want a doctor to examine him? Fine. It sounded like you wanted politicians to give up their privacy.
Just because it is technically possible to defeat a surveilance system doesn't make it legal.
Trust me, modifying your hosts file and not connecting to a server is perfectly legal. Or has that already changed with "Vorratsdatenspeicherung"?
Google is a privacy concern due to the sheer amount of data they collect and use. Even the majority of /. readers agree on that. The difference is that most of us can help ourselves - as your example shows. Most of the non-tech people can't. They need the government to stop in.
As I already said, the data on Google analytics is comparable to any other tracking system.
You can speculate on all kinds of sinister stuff they do with the data, but don't anything for sure know unless you have access to Googles computers, which is probably what comes next. But hey, all in the name of fighting Big Brother. Soon you'll have to get a license for your webserver and government regularly controls that you don't have any logfiles. For a few euros, of course.
Laypersons can install all kinds of add-ons and anonymizing software if they care about not being tracked. Firefox and Chrome (Googles Browser) already have a stealth mode.
His medical records are sealed by the government.
You say it as if it was a bad thing.
Oh dear, now you're mixing things up a lot. Gravenreuth has been thrown out of the picture years ago. By the same government you accuse of cooperating with him.
The laws he exploited are still there and get worse. There will be new ones.
And yes, the government doesn't like privacy very much. However, we also have courts to watch out for us, just like you do, and they are very influential. A lot of bad laws get thrown out or modified by the high courts.
Still, I don't see how giving me a fee because my website uses Google analytics is protecting anyones privacy. I can't tell more from Google analytics than from any other tracker system and there certainly isn't any functionality to track individual users. Tracking can be done however by including *any* resource on my site to a foreign host. Should we fine people using AdSense too? Embedding Lolcats? Or including an external javascript library, just because somebody *could* track you with it?
The crazy thing is that all this is done in the name of fighting "Big Brother", which is supposedly google. How did I miss the chapter "How Winston Smith defeated the televisors by entering echo 127.0.0.1 www.google-analytics.com >> /etc/hosts"?
One size does fit all from a support point of view. If I want to walk a windows user through changing the desktop resolution, it's easy.
xrandr
If I want to find out which printer is their default printer, again easy
cat /etc/cups/printers.conf
Yes, there is. In fact, there are several, among them are elections, writing to your representative, setting up a lobby group.
You forgot: Seeing the law as the steaming pile of bullshit it is and taking your business out of Germany.
We Germans sometimes value privacy higher than the inalienable right of corporations to make money. Sorry for that.
Maybe you, as a person, do. Your government certainly doesn't value privacy at all..
If you don't wan't to be tracked by Google on the internet, don't establish a connection to Google's computers. If you don't know how to avoid it, learn how to use your browser.
This is just a plot for internet lawyers (Gravenreuths) to extort money out of people.
And rightly so. You do business under the law of the land, so the law of the land tells you how you can do it. If you don't like it, you can shove off to some place in the middle of Africa where they don't have laws.
Maybe the law of the land is bullshit? Maybe there is another alternative to "accepting all existing and planned laws" than living in Africa?
Well, at least in Half Life I could always select "Software" as a rendering method. It wasn't nice, but it didn't look like "Asteroids".
mod +10 threadover
Anything you can do in managed code on the desktop (and that's a heck of a lot), you can do in Silverlight just as well.
Maybe someone builds a decent browser with it some day.
http://www.chromeexperiments.com/
Speaking of gaming: OpenGL bindings for JavaScript and integration into the chrome browser are on the way.
It's got a few limitations, but it's basically a monopoly. This is evil in and of itself [...]
No, it isn't.
I doubt high memory translates into bad performance if there is no paging to disk.