If it takes a 300 Million $ Data Center to store that data, it'll take a 300 Million $ Data Center from MS or Google or whoever, regardless of Cloud or no Cloud. I don't see what cloud computing has to do with this. It's more like build your own vs rent one debate.
Well, I think Microsoft will solve the compatibility problem "a la" Windows7. Office 13 will load Office 2007 that will load Office2003 that will load OfficeXP and so on, and so on.
I have JS and Ads on, because I want to contribute a bit back, so I don't understand why I'm being "punished" like this (just using Opera with some custom filters, guess it's blocking some of the ads, so funny sig btw). But really, I'm quite upset right now, I hope this is the last time I'll see something like this, or I'm considering not "seeing" Slashdot anymore.
I might also be subjective, I really like OpenOffice.
Either I am really stupid (which is possible I won't deny it), or this is clearly a hidden advertisement on Slashdot for SoftMaker Office. To be anywhere near a fair comparison they should have included IBM Lotus Symphony, KOffice, StarOffice and others. Not compare OpenOffice to some commercial product I don't think many people ever heard about.
I don't understand why this has made it to the frontpage.
Was nice knowing you... now, let's all move to some other tracker of of the thousands out there, and let it die like others did.I guess this cat and mouse game is going to last a while.
You could order one over the Internet....
Oh sh..
Well there is no way everyone could switch to this, but I'm pretty sure a lot of reporters, embassys etc. have this sort of equipment and couple provide internet access trough it. Plus there are shops that sell this stuff, I can buy that sort of equipment walking over the street and I live in eastern Europe, If not it can be smuggled in,
There already are various Satellite Providers that offer Internet Connectivity also in Iran, just try to:google it. I'm pretty sure the US Army already has it's own satellite ISP that works in Iraq, which means it also works in Iran, they'd just have to be so generous to let the Iranis use it, they don't really need special equipment for this, they can buy satellite capable phones in Iran, they just need the access to the US army networks, or commercial networks. Just give them some access to satellite providers, then they can set up their own networks on site if they're the least bit organized, otherwise it's no use anyway.
Wifi from Irak isn't really possible, It would work around the borders, but that's all, Iran is a pretty big country, it's meaningless, satellite is the only option, either that or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers .
It's not really that easy to make a tool that would determine 100% sure that the ISP is throttling your connection, many ISP's do limit the whole bandwidth, but this application would have to detect that only a certain type of trafic is limited.
I think Google is afraid it's youtube dreams are being squashed by evil ISP's.
Google more than sure doesn't give a cent about P2P applications, so their app probably will only work for http throttling, namely flv streaming/youtube.
Sorry for the google bashing, but this doesn't seem like google is as much interested in defending the poor customers against the evil ISP's as it's trying to defend it's own commercial interests.
Something else, I don't think there will be a big success in bateling the big ISP's, as trafic rises, there is no way they can maintain the current bandwidth/price ratio, even with massive profit cuts and investments in infrastructure. ISP's are overselling at a massive scale, more than 100 times their banwidth capacity. (well, in the US it's possible to maintain current prices since it's one of the most overpriced countries in this domain).
Well as someone who as a first PC had a 386 in the age of Pentium 2-3 and then a cyrix at 233 MHZ in the age of Pentium 4 i can say from a personal experience that it's less likely that they will use the computer only for games, and more likely that they will try out other things.
Usually it's enough to have linux and not to expose kids to the over-advertised new trendy games.
It's not about playing games, games are really important for kids, they allow them to manifest their imagination. Especially for kids from poor countries it would be a refuge from the harsh reality that they have to face every day.
It's about what sort of games they play, to kids an educational software that's well made or even a Gimp/Paint.net can be a verry cool game, heck a couple of months ago I met a little girl that was absolutely fascinated by Wordpad, yes Wordpad!, I spent 2-3 hours teaching her how to write her name and do all sorts of stuff in it ( the kid came to me during a team meeting in a restaurant, she was curious about my laptop and I didn't have the heart to tell her to go away, not like she'd have listened if i did, thank God i didn't have any games)
There are a lot of poor kids who never had a computer, who don't have toys, TV's, who live harsh lives. Ok, what they need most is water, food and clothing, but that's not all they need, they aren't little robots that will be happy as long as you plug them in.
You really have to see how happy a relatively poor child can be over a computer, and they will "play" with all the software on that computer more than surely. And if you teach and require them to use the computer as a tool for learning instead of paper notebooks and books, they will use it for just that and it'll be cheaper on the long run, and they will get much more out of it than from paper notebooks/books.
Any way you twist it around, as long as you think about it sanely, it is the cheaper and better solution.
Education is absolutely necessary, especially for poor children, and in the age of computers, XO like gadgets will replace the old teaching methods more than 100% for sure, as they did in all other domains (business, telecomunication, entertainment, agriculture, you name it, and computers are in it).
It's not a question of "Are computers good for children's education" it's a question of what to do with people who are afraid of change, who have a limited understanding of things and who see OLPC intitiatives like "Save our children from the evil Computer mosters", "Oh our poor children will be turned into mindeless drones by those evil Computers, exploited by myspace pedos,hunted by those horrible hackers and they will get sick because of those nasty computer viruses that are all over those things"
This news article is just sensational crap, it just bashes initiatives like the OLPC with studies comparable with the ones that support Intelligent Design (in other words, irrelevant crap that doesn't make any sense) and with a title that's totally bogus: even cameras can lead to Dictators abusing them to controle the citizens, but you don't see a boycott cameras article anywhere.
It's really sad that articles like these keep showing up on the Slashdot frontpage.
First of all, I am a CS bachelor from Romania, and I'd like to state some facts about the study that's referenced here:
1) The Euro 200 program was just a PR stunt of our goverment to get more votes, it was never ment as an educational program.
2) This program consisted just in giving a 200 euro reduction to children from relatively poor households if they bought a computer. It was never associated with an educational program, or any educational software(as in programs, ebooks, or anything at all).
3) The children who benifited from this program being mainly poor children, so even if they wanted to learn something, most of them didn't have the money to buy software, or to pay for an internet connection.
Adding to this most of the computers you could buy in Romania would come readily installed with a pirated version of Windows and full of pirated games and other pirate booty.
So let me explain it clearly:
The study is absolute *insert word here* because:
Even if those kids wanted to do something else but play pirated games on a pirated version of windows, they couldn't have done it, they didn't have any learning material or an internet connection.
On top of which there was no educational program that would allow the schools to help the children use the computers for educational purposes.
(OK, in order to avoid comments, there was and is a computerized educational program in Romania called AEL [advanced e-learning or something like that], which consists in a crappy CMS that's practically unusable, and has such a restrictive licence that you're not even allowed to look at it, not to speak of taking it home, at least this was the case 3 years ago)
The Euro200 program is totally oposed to the OLPC initiative wich consists in giving children small low-performance linux laptops(at least that was the idea not to long ago) full with educational software and an educational program that makes full use of those notebooks as an educational tool.
The idea is not in giving children computers, it's in giving them the oportunity to use them as educational tools.
If you give kids a relatively powerfull desktop with windows and full of games do you really expect them to study all day or to play games all day.
On The other hand, if you give them low-performance laptops, full with educational software and help them and require them to use these laptops for educational purposes, then you really can expect results.
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Can't you guys search a bit for more information before submitting it to Slashdot, how hard is it, here you have more info and specs on the procs:
AMD original press release: http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd-press-release-2009aug10.aspx
Amd's presentation of bolth procs: http://www.amd.com/us/products/embedded/processors/asb1-bga/Pages/turion-athlon-neo-x2.aspx
More info on the turion: http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/processors/turion-neo-x2/Pages/turion-neo-x2.aspx
Specs for the turion: http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/processors/turion-neo-x2/Pages/turion-neo-x2-model-numbers.aspx
I guess people who bend over and buy DRMed music deserve this.
I guess this is one unsatisfied customer.
Now if they would just impose the same conditions on computer manufacturers regarding the OS.
If it takes a 300 Million $ Data Center to store that data, it'll take a 300 Million $ Data Center from MS or Google or whoever, regardless of Cloud or no Cloud. I don't see what cloud computing has to do with this. It's more like build your own vs rent one debate.
Well, I think Microsoft will solve the compatibility problem "a la" Windows7. Office 13 will load Office 2007 that will load Office2003 that will load OfficeXP and so on, and so on.
I have JS and Ads on, because I want to contribute a bit back, so I don't understand why I'm being "punished" like this (just using Opera with some custom filters, guess it's blocking some of the ads, so funny sig btw). But really, I'm quite upset right now, I hope this is the last time I'll see something like this, or I'm considering not "seeing" Slashdot anymore.
I might also be subjective, I really like OpenOffice.
Either I am really stupid (which is possible I won't deny it), or this is clearly a hidden advertisement on Slashdot for SoftMaker Office. To be anywhere near a fair comparison they should have included IBM Lotus Symphony, KOffice, StarOffice and others. Not compare OpenOffice to some commercial product I don't think many people ever heard about.
I don't understand why this has made it to the frontpage.
Am I blind or does Slashdot have no edit option after I submitted a comment. Anyway it was "out of", didn't sleep much, sorry.
Was nice knowing you... now, let's all move to some other tracker of of the thousands out there, and let it die like others did .I guess this cat and mouse game is going to last a while.
You could order one over the Internet....
Oh sh..
Well there is no way everyone could switch to this, but I'm pretty sure a lot of reporters, embassys etc. have this sort of equipment and couple provide internet access trough it. Plus there are shops that sell this stuff, I can buy that sort of equipment walking over the street and I live in eastern Europe, If not it can be smuggled in,
There already are various Satellite Providers that offer Internet Connectivity also in Iran, just try to :google it .
I'm pretty sure the US Army already has it's own satellite ISP that works in Iraq, which means it also works in Iran, they'd just have to be so generous to let the Iranis use it, they don't really need special equipment for this, they can buy satellite capable phones in Iran, they just need the access to the US army networks, or commercial networks. Just give them some access to satellite providers, then they can set up their own networks on site if they're the least bit organized, otherwise it's no use anyway.
Wifi from Irak isn't really possible, It would work around the borders, but that's all, Iran is a pretty big country, it's meaningless, satellite is the only option, either that or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers .
"I'll create a GUI interface in Visual Basic, see if I can track an IP address."
Swedish Court Says: No you won't!
I for one welcome our new 800-core computer overlords
Ok, since it doesn't seem to be a big website, it's probably on a shared host, so more complex backup software isn't an option in most cases.
Php backup scripts should work on any shared host, try looking at these scripts: http://www.absoft-my.com/pondok/sitebackup.php http://phpclasses.betablue.net/browse/package/3585.html
It's not really that easy to make a tool that would determine 100% sure that the ISP is throttling your connection, many ISP's do limit the whole bandwidth, but this application would have to detect that only a certain type of trafic is limited.
I think Google is afraid it's youtube dreams are being squashed by evil ISP's. Google more than sure doesn't give a cent about P2P applications, so their app probably will only work for http throttling, namely flv streaming/youtube.
Sorry for the google bashing, but this doesn't seem like google is as much interested in defending the poor customers against the evil ISP's as it's trying to defend it's own commercial interests.
Something else, I don't think there will be a big success in bateling the big ISP's, as trafic rises, there is no way they can maintain the current bandwidth/price ratio, even with massive profit cuts and investments in infrastructure. ISP's are overselling at a massive scale, more than 100 times their banwidth capacity. (well, in the US it's possible to maintain current prices since it's one of the most overpriced countries in this domain).
Well as someone who as a first PC had a 386 in the age of Pentium 2-3 and then a cyrix at 233 MHZ in the age of Pentium 4 i can say from a personal experience that it's less likely that they will use the computer only for games, and more likely that they will try out other things. Usually it's enough to have linux and not to expose kids to the over-advertised new trendy games.
It's not about playing games, games are really important for kids, they allow them to manifest their imagination. Especially for kids from poor countries it would be a refuge from the harsh reality that they have to face every day.
It's about what sort of games they play, to kids an educational software that's well made or even a Gimp/Paint.net can be a verry cool game, heck a couple of months ago I met a little girl that was absolutely fascinated by Wordpad, yes Wordpad!, I spent 2-3 hours teaching her how to write her name and do all sorts of stuff in it ( the kid came to me during a team meeting in a restaurant, she was curious about my laptop and I didn't have the heart to tell her to go away, not like she'd have listened if i did, thank God i didn't have any games)
There are a lot of poor kids who never had a computer, who don't have toys, TV's, who live harsh lives. Ok, what they need most is water, food and clothing, but that's not all they need, they aren't little robots that will be happy as long as you plug them in.
You really have to see how happy a relatively poor child can be over a computer, and they will "play" with all the software on that computer more than surely. And if you teach and require them to use the computer as a tool for learning instead of paper notebooks and books, they will use it for just that and it'll be cheaper on the long run, and they will get much more out of it than from paper notebooks/books.
Any way you twist it around, as long as you think about it sanely, it is the cheaper and better solution.
Education is absolutely necessary, especially for poor children, and in the age of computers, XO like gadgets will replace the old teaching methods more than 100% for sure, as they did in all other domains (business, telecomunication, entertainment, agriculture, you name it, and computers are in it).
It's not a question of "Are computers good for children's education" it's a question of what to do with people who are afraid of change, who have a limited understanding of things and who see OLPC intitiatives like "Save our children from the evil Computer mosters", "Oh our poor children will be turned into mindeless drones by those evil Computers, exploited by myspace pedos,hunted by those horrible hackers and they will get sick because of those nasty computer viruses that are all over those things"
This news article is just sensational crap, it just bashes initiatives like the OLPC with studies comparable with the ones that support Intelligent Design (in other words, irrelevant crap that doesn't make any sense) and with a title that's totally bogus: even cameras can lead to Dictators abusing them to controle the citizens, but you don't see a boycott cameras article anywhere.
It's really sad that articles like these keep showing up on the Slashdot frontpage.
First of all, I am a CS bachelor from Romania, and I'd like to state some facts about the study that's referenced here:
1) The Euro 200 program was just a PR stunt of our goverment to get more votes, it was never ment as an educational program.
2) This program consisted just in giving a 200 euro reduction to children from relatively poor households if they bought a computer. It was never associated with an educational program, or any educational software(as in programs, ebooks, or anything at all).
3) The children who benifited from this program being mainly poor children, so even if they wanted to learn something, most of them didn't have the money to buy software, or to pay for an internet connection.
Adding to this most of the computers you could buy in Romania would come readily installed with a pirated version of Windows and full of pirated games and other pirate booty.
So let me explain it clearly:
The study is absolute *insert word here* because:
Even if those kids wanted to do something else but play pirated games on a pirated version of windows, they couldn't have done it, they didn't have any learning material or an internet connection.
On top of which there was no educational program that would allow the schools to help the children use the computers for educational purposes.
(OK, in order to avoid comments, there was and is a computerized educational program in Romania called AEL [advanced e-learning or something like that], which consists in a crappy CMS that's practically unusable, and has such a restrictive licence that you're not even allowed to look at it, not to speak of taking it home, at least this was the case 3 years ago)
The Euro200 program is totally oposed to the OLPC initiative wich consists in giving children small low-performance linux laptops(at least that was the idea not to long ago) full with educational software and an educational program that makes full use of those notebooks as an educational tool.
The idea is not in giving children computers, it's in giving them the oportunity to use them as educational tools.
If you give kids a relatively powerfull desktop with windows and full of games do you really expect them to study all day or to play games all day.
On The other hand, if you give them low-performance laptops, full with educational software and help them and require them to use these laptops for educational purposes, then you really can expect results.