(this sentence is only here to prove, in spite of my previous post, that I in fact am capable of closing a parenthesis)
I think a major part of it is also the reliability. If they stated on the box something like "Note: can only handle X active connections. Does not fully support Y. Z may lead to compatibility issues" then I'd be okay with most of the problems encountered. I just can't fathom that we in 2007 can not get a simple router that does its job well for 50$. It is beyond me. It probably stems from the same thing as the stagnation in cell phone options in the US: as long as there's a market for expensive shit, companies won't try to best themselves to get to you.
It wasn't at all a punch at communism (from my point of view) - morelike a joke on the American two-party system. I live in a country with a dozen political parties, all vying for power and recognition. And squabbling about just about everything...
Pay 50 bucks for a router, and you are simply not going to get a high quality product. It is foolish of you to think otherwise. There's a reason that the enterprise stuff costs thousands of dollars compared to the 50 buck consumer router, that usually ends up not doing any routing at all (only doing NAT). I've seen a bunch of them that can do RIP. Can any do OSPF or BGP? Probably not because Dijkstra would make the thing explode.
Maybe it's true that spending a lot of money doesn't guarantee quality, but spending peanuts guarantees crap. You're pretty much hitting the nerve - you're buying in the blind because there's usually not much information on which capabilities the equipment has - and even then, it's not in a stable state.
Sure, I know my mother would probably not mind using a router that needs to be turned off now and again, but why reward bad craftsmanship with money? "Oh, it's only 50$, I'll just toss it out and buy a new one...". Four routers in two years is 200$ - money that could have been used on a better router, plus the environment wouldn't be filled up as fast with heavy metals.
The consumer mentality of "oh, it's cheap so it's okay it is crap" is utter nonsense. Seriously, how much work do you have to do to earn the 50$ for that router? Is the aggravation worth paying for? Why can't they make a 50$ router that just works, it's not rocket science.
(All that being said, I'm using two 150$ routers on my home network, but my point is unchanged.
The Linksys products I've encountered have always seemed just a little unpolished, with variable QC... then again I got it for fifty bucks, so I can't really complain. Repeat after me: I will not confuse price with quality. Just because big corporations tell me otherwise, I know better.
Seriously, one ought to be able to trust that a piece of hardware purchased works without hitch - no matter the price. For the free market to function, companies that produce faulty hardware should suffer for it.
It only seems like that because you didn't RTFA. (At least I hope that's why.)
More precisely: he didn't RTFS. Granted, it was very badly worded, which is why he is only one in a never ending stream of people commenting on what they do not understand.
But can you imagine them charging you for a "loading Windows sound" the way telecoms charge you for ringtones?
*Ahem* Remember the Windows 95 Plus Pack? Of course, you'd also buy Plus to get IE. Totally worth the premium instead of just acquiring Netscape off of a floppy or a mag cd.
Ill be the first to say it. Who the fuck cares. The problem is being delt with.
Vigilante justice - the mark of the civilized man. String 'em up first, ask questions later. Your logic has been used to justify uncountable wrongs. In all fairness, so has the so-called "Rule of Law." -- Cynicism is the most advanced stage of idealism. I love how your sig fits in with your statement:-D (Btw,is it just me or are there problems with the 'Quote' button not working?)
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Yeah, because his entire post hinged on that one spelling error that he corrected in a concise and non-derogatory manner that TheRealMindChild might actually benefit from reading.
Kudos for calling him an asshole - with fucking stars.
For that matter, isn't Sony on our list of evil companies (with others such as Microsoft) after the rootkits they placed on their audio CDs? Why are we running ads to bring business to them? What's next, an article singing the praises of Vista? Not forgetting what those salad tossers did to Lik Sang. That really got them shitlisted in my book.
Actually, my laptop HD only stops churning when I turn off my torrent transfers. The ph4t p1p3 to the back bone instantly kills all interactivity on my compy if I don't remember to kill/limit my transfers.
$2,000 is still awfully expensive. I'd rather spend that on a top-of-the-line "gaming" laptop or even better would be some SUPER awesome desktop. Then you are clearly not the target demographic:-)
My main motivation for my current interest in Linux is... Windows VI. Plain and simple. I saw what they had planned for the future and decided that it was bound to something that happened to someone else, not me.
Actually, Opera is a little bit better than other browsers I've used on the point of password security. Screenshot for illustrative purposes; it gives you the option to associate the password with a unique URL instead of the entire domain. Quite handy sometimes, like for instance, if you have GMail plus a few Google Apps domains.
Get the Firefox patch here Godsdamnit, I know you're just trying to be funny in the same way as everyone else with their "Ultimate Windows patches", but it isn't.
You could have gone for insightful instead of trolling by writing something along the lines of "Generally, Opera has a much better safety record (the one we know of, anyway), and I prefer the UI."
I really like Opera, I even have it on my 3 phones and my PDA. Plus my 2 laptops, 4 stationaries, and I'm currently reading a book inspired by Opera. (Sorry, bad pun)
Trolling, however, will only get those who see your post to have a negative association to Opera, just like many have a negative association to Gentoo...
You forgot to tell him how you used to post and read Slashdot in waist high snow both ways.
Oh, and don't forget the part where Internet was only $0.10 back in the day. I'm from Greenland. That covers the snow. The prices have fallen considerably since I was a kid, though...:)
They did tell everyone. It's just that noone wanted to play with them, and with the iPhones popularity, they're aiming at domination through... Er, I'm sick and tired. Figure out the rest for yourself.
Just because there is an already existing solution to a problem, does not mean that that is the solution to every problem. Do you snipe with a Desert Eagle? No? Well shit, it's a fucking gun isn't it? No need to go around reinventing the gun!
The man just made a highly detailed how-to for something quite complecated, and all you can do is be a whiney bitch. Christ, you need your internet membership revoked. You seriously owe me a cup of green tea. (I've had to reduce my coffee intake on the advice of my doctor)
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Whoa there, Perdita, you missed a point in the discussion. He was saying that janitors don't get called up at 2 am to mop the kitchen floors.
(this sentence is only here to prove, in spite of my previous post, that I in fact am capable of closing a parenthesis)
I think a major part of it is also the reliability. If they stated on the box something like "Note: can only handle X active connections. Does not fully support Y. Z may lead to compatibility issues" then I'd be okay with most of the problems encountered. I just can't fathom that we in 2007 can not get a simple router that does its job well for 50$. It is beyond me. It probably stems from the same thing as the stagnation in cell phone options in the US: as long as there's a market for expensive shit, companies won't try to best themselves to get to you.
It wasn't at all a punch at communism (from my point of view) - morelike a joke on the American two-party system. I live in a country with a dozen political parties, all vying for power and recognition. And squabbling about just about everything...
Maybe it's true that spending a lot of money doesn't guarantee quality, but spending peanuts guarantees crap. You're pretty much hitting the nerve - you're buying in the blind because there's usually not much information on which capabilities the equipment has - and even then, it's not in a stable state.
Sure, I know my mother would probably not mind using a router that needs to be turned off now and again, but why reward bad craftsmanship with money? "Oh, it's only 50$, I'll just toss it out and buy a new one...". Four routers in two years is 200$ - money that could have been used on a better router, plus the environment wouldn't be filled up as fast with heavy metals.
The consumer mentality of "oh, it's cheap so it's okay it is crap" is utter nonsense. Seriously, how much work do you have to do to earn the 50$ for that router? Is the aggravation worth paying for? Why can't they make a 50$ router that just works, it's not rocket science.
(All that being said, I'm using two 150$ routers on my home network, but my point is unchanged.
I will not confuse price with quality. Just because big corporations tell me otherwise, I know better.
Seriously, one ought to be able to trust that a piece of hardware purchased works without hitch - no matter the price. For the free market to function, companies that produce faulty hardware should suffer for it.
It only seems like that because you didn't RTFA. (At least I hope that's why.)
More precisely: he didn't RTFS. Granted, it was very badly worded, which is why he is only one in a never ending stream of people commenting on what they do not understand.(the sound of a joke, flying over your head)
*Ahem* Remember the Windows 95 Plus Pack? Of course, you'd also buy Plus to get IE. Totally worth the premium instead of just acquiring Netscape off of a floppy or a mag cd.
Blerg. Only off by 100 years. War of Independence, then.
(The best place to make such errors is when pointing fingers at others)
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Vigilante justice - the mark of the civilized man. String 'em up first, ask questions later. Your logic has been used to justify uncountable wrongs. In all fairness, so has the so-called "Rule of Law."
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Cynicism is the most advanced stage of idealism. I love how your sig fits in with your statement
(Btw,is it just me or are there problems with the 'Quote' button not working?)
Yeah, because his entire post hinged on that one spelling error that he corrected in a concise and non-derogatory manner that TheRealMindChild might actually benefit from reading.
Kudos for calling him an asshole - with fucking stars.
Actually, my laptop HD only stops churning when I turn off my torrent transfers. The ph4t p1p3 to the back bone instantly kills all interactivity on my compy if I don't remember to kill/limit my transfers.
My main motivation for my current interest in Linux is... Windows VI. Plain and simple. I saw what they had planned for the future and decided that it was bound to something that happened to someone else, not me.
Actually, Opera is a little bit better than other browsers I've used on the point of password security.
Screenshot for illustrative purposes; it gives you the option to associate the password with a unique URL instead of the entire domain. Quite handy sometimes, like for instance, if you have GMail plus a few Google Apps domains.
You could have gone for insightful instead of trolling by writing something along the lines of "Generally, Opera has a much better safety record (the one we know of, anyway), and I prefer the UI."
I really like Opera, I even have it on my 3 phones and my PDA. Plus my 2 laptops, 4 stationaries, and I'm currently reading a book inspired by Opera. (Sorry, bad pun)
Trolling, however, will only get those who see your post to have a negative association to Opera, just like many have a negative association to Gentoo...
Oh, and don't forget the part where Internet was only $0.10 back in the day.
I'm from Greenland. That covers the snow. The prices have fallen considerably since I was a kid, though...
*grumblemumble*stupidjoe_155forRTFA*grumble*
They did tell everyone. It's just that noone wanted to play with them, and with the iPhones popularity, they're aiming at domination through...
Er, I'm sick and tired. Figure out the rest for yourself.
The proposed GNU business model is also built on support, not development.
The man just made a highly detailed how-to for something quite complecated, and all you can do is be a whiney bitch. Christ, you need your internet membership revoked. You seriously owe me a cup of green tea. (I've had to reduce my coffee intake on the advice of my doctor)