You know i keep hearing people say that companies have to keep these browsers because of some software that they can not upgrade, as an excuse for the continued use of 6 and 7. What frigen company has managed to hang on to totally shit piece of web software that depends on windows 6 or 7 to function?
Who ever they are, they have bigger IT problems than this exploit will ever generate.
I am not crazy about the WRT54, but I see no reason that a couple of routers flashed with tomato or similar firmware can not handle the load of 150 users for DHCP nad DNS. 150,000 computers on network yea you might have some issue, but 150 is really no big deal.
Considering the energy saving and cost of say under $50 a router, it makes it easy to throw more routers at the problem as needed.
What I found with a network for 150+ users is, about 80% of the dns lookups and such are for the same things. So with a cache of say even around 5000 addresses, you can save a lot of network resources. Nothing most $50 router can not handle.
I think I see how windows became such a piece of security shit. You see, they have to let the Chinese security associations work on it to get that market share, then the Germans, then the Israelis, and so on, until any script kiddy in his basement can easily defeat the security. Who says windows is not open source?
Mutually Assured destruction. Google and MS wipe each-other out, and Linux becomes the default desktop by default as the only one that did not go bankrupt.
What about password cracking in Asian languages? Do they have a special dictionary for Chinese passwords? How about all the "dead" or obscure langauges that do have methods for computer representation?
Everyone talks about English dictionary cracking, but what about other languages? Does anyone have any experience with doing this?
What do they do with Arabic passwords for instance?
I have a small web site that gets about 150,000 hits a month, with similar search traffic. I have exactly 0 paying real world clients that have ever said they found us in an MS search engine. So I really do not give shit about anything coming from MS engines, even if it was 90% of my traffic. Until they convert to cash.
I say everyone should stay quiet. Little by little open source code will leak in to all MS applications. Then in a few years from now, we can all file thousands of massive class action law suit that force MS to either go out of business or open source their entire OS and everything on run on it. The only problem with this plan that I see is that if they steel sufficient amount of quality open source code, their software might actually start working in a respectable manner and we will all end up back using windows again.
I am sorry, but all these people going on and on and on about what you want in a data center are missing the unforeseeable. And the only way to do that is redundancy. What you want is two or more different data centers, in two or more distinct regions (ideally of the World).
Ask yourself, what would you want running if the entire city or region was nuked, had an earthquake, was hit by a Tsunami, or an asteroid dropped on it? How about if an airplane flies in to it? What happens if the regional power grid or network is out for days, weeks, or months? Ask all the guys recently in Asia or the middle east about underwater data cables being cut, and what they wish they had. All the above have happened, and will likely happen again. Do you really want all your eggs in one basket?
The only way to be sure is to diversify your data over as large a geographical area as possible.
I will still take larger numbers of lower quality but diversified data centers in numbers, over a single high quality data center any day. Of course, having both helps.
By the way I keep my data on four different machines, located in four different physical locations in two countries, on two continents. I figure any disaster that will take all four down, will be one sufficiently big that I just don't give a dam anymore.
I started using Mandriva way back in the early mandrake days around 3.x something, and have always kept an eye on it over the years. The problem was not the concept, the problem was the execution. The company was flaky and poorly run, and it showed in the distro. They had a bankruptcy as I recall, the name change, management change, they tried to be a server company taking on red hat for a while, and the distros reflected it.
From one distro to the next it would go from well polished and working great, to a mess of broken packages, menu changes, and so on. Then the next distro they would be back to well polished and working great distro. They simply could not ever get consistency from version to version. Then after a while, they seemed to side with doing both. Now they are one of the most bloated and slow distros out there. It is that inconsistency that keeps me from taking it up, because I know from experience that they might get a killer version, then they will screw it up again on the next one.
I was super impressed when PCLOS came out, because it was what Mandriva should have or could have been from the start; but, unfortunately they too seem to have gone down the road of inconsistent.
This is just bullshit. I too have run well over 1000 linux systems of all types for over 10 years, and I will not say that I KNOW I have never had a virus but I am fairly frigen certain. This is not some fucking epistemological debate (how do you know your computer is running?)
You know why, I KNOW there is no viruses in my Linux systems?
Because a virus that does not do anything, is not much of virus. Linux systems in general have fairly robust logging system, security measures, and most importantly systems transparency.
Any system admin that has paid attention to what their computers are doing, what is running, how the network is behaving will KNOW fairly quickly that something is not suppose to be there. The problem with windows is not only will it get viruses, but they are easy to hide and run. The privilege separation in Linux makes it very hard for a virus to get installed in the first place, and even harder for it to operate without detection and really accomplish any useful sort of work (e.g. infecting other computers, forming bot nets, destroying data, steeling data, serving porn, whatever).
So, that is just bullshit. What are you guys fucking two years old?
We all talk about brute forcing English, and the ASCII space. The English language and the alphabet are fairly limited.
What about say Chinese characters or Greek? Basically, are there other natural languages that are harder to crack when used as passwords? Chinese for example has better than 50,000 characters by some estimates (less than 3,000 are commonly recognized and used).
Strange how the lessons of history are ignored. The same problems we are having with broadband roll out in the States and the importance to the economy, is so close to what the rail roads where like around 1880. Massive monopolies with their hand in to everything including telecommunications.
yea, I have worked with a lot of them. Guess what, they can not talk to the village next door, and often would prefer to burn the people in the village next door rather than talk to them.
If it was not for Spanish, many villages in Guatemala would not be able to talk to each other at all (many still do not speak Spanish). That is assuming they wanted to talk to them. Other than the artificial boarder drawn on the map, it would be hard to say there is anything like a "Mayan" or "Guatemalan" culture beyond a fairly fuzzy generalization. Most of those cultures where simple farmers and owned by the Mayan. They most likly never knew much about the Mayan written language.
I bet if we nuked systematically every major city in developed countries, the environmental impact of the radiation in a hundred years would likly be less than if they just keep on going the way they are wasting 90% of the World's resources on 10% of the population.
That would be fairly easy to determine. I just need to have a look at my web site server logs to see all the information about my visitors OS, the version, and so on, not to mention you have about a 60% chance of any given server being linux.
I have never been a Debian user, but I have been using open source software for better than 10 years and I recall back then everything I was running being signed at least in Red Hat / rpm circles. I believe most things where signed because there was always the possibility of a download being corrupted from a flaky Internet connection, more than security concerns.
I have been running linux machines for going on 10 years now, including my home, all the computers in my office, dozens of servers with every imaginable piece of software and configuration possible (some secure some insecure) in that time, I as yet to ever find one virus, malware, or evidence that a serious attempt was ever made any progress.
The market share argument just does not cut it. You would think there would be at least one well know case in the wild by now of a linux virus spreading to other linux machines in a sustained and ongoing manner.
The best we have are 'just so' cases. The software, permissions, user, network, and so on had to be just so in order for virus or malware to work. But a general widespread linux virus? Where are they?
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You know i keep hearing people say that companies have to keep these browsers because of some software that they can not upgrade, as an excuse for the continued use of 6 and 7. What frigen company has managed to hang on to totally shit piece of web software that depends on windows 6 or 7 to function?
Who ever they are, they have bigger IT problems than this exploit will ever generate.
With out of the box firmware, likly no way.
I am not crazy about the WRT54, but I see no reason that a couple of routers flashed with tomato or similar firmware can not handle the load of 150 users for DHCP nad DNS. 150,000 computers on network yea you might have some issue, but 150 is really no big deal.
Considering the energy saving and cost of say under $50 a router, it makes it easy to throw more routers at the problem as needed.
What I found with a network for 150+ users is, about 80% of the dns lookups and such are for the same things. So with a cache of say even around 5000 addresses, you can save a lot of network resources. Nothing most $50 router can not handle.
I think I see how windows became such a piece of security shit. You see, they have to let the Chinese security associations work on it to get that market share, then the Germans, then the Israelis, and so on, until any script kiddy in his basement can easily defeat the security. Who says windows is not open source?
Mutually Assured destruction. Google and MS wipe each-other out, and Linux becomes the default desktop by default as the only one that did not go bankrupt.
What about password cracking in Asian languages? Do they have a special dictionary for Chinese passwords? How about all the "dead" or obscure langauges that do have methods for computer representation?
Everyone talks about English dictionary cracking, but what about other languages? Does anyone have any experience with doing this?
What do they do with Arabic passwords for instance?
I have a small web site that gets about 150,000 hits a month, with similar search traffic. I have exactly 0 paying real world clients that have ever said they found us in an MS search engine. So I really do not give shit about anything coming from MS engines, even if it was 90% of my traffic. Until they convert to cash.
ah, I don't think that was really Patton, but George C. Scott in the movie that said that; but, still one hell of a line.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_S._Patton
Yea, all the girls my neighborhood convinced me that playing house was way cooler than playing with GI Joe.
The World has survived nuclear attack. It has even survived world wars. A lot of data did not survive those.
One of the most successful development systems on the planet earth for millions of years.
I say everyone should stay quiet. Little by little open source code will leak in to all MS applications. Then in a few years from now, we can all file thousands of massive class action law suit that force MS to either go out of business or open source their entire OS and everything on run on it. The only problem with this plan that I see is that if they steel sufficient amount of quality open source code, their software might actually start working in a respectable manner and we will all end up back using windows again.
Incredibly smart people also worked for the Nazi party. That ended well for them, and everyone else.
I am sorry, but all these people going on and on and on about what you want in a data center are missing the unforeseeable. And the only way to do that is redundancy. What you want is two or more different data centers, in two or more distinct regions (ideally of the World).
Ask yourself, what would you want running if the entire city or region was nuked, had an earthquake, was hit by a Tsunami, or an asteroid dropped on it? How about if an airplane flies in to it?
What happens if the regional power grid or network is out for days, weeks, or months? Ask all the guys recently in Asia or the middle east about underwater data cables being cut, and what they wish they had. All the above have happened, and will likely happen again. Do you really want all your eggs in one basket?
The only way to be sure is to diversify your data over as large a geographical area as possible.
I will still take larger numbers of lower quality but diversified data centers in numbers, over a single high quality data center any day. Of course, having both helps.
By the way I keep my data on four different machines, located in four different physical locations in two countries, on two continents. I figure any disaster that will take all four down, will be one sufficiently big that I just don't give a dam anymore.
I started using Mandriva way back in the early mandrake days around 3.x something, and have always kept an eye on it over the years. The problem was not the concept, the problem was the execution. The company was flaky and poorly run, and it showed in the distro. They had a bankruptcy as I recall, the name change, management change, they tried to be a server company taking on red hat for a while, and the distros reflected it.
From one distro to the next it would go from well polished and working great, to a mess of broken packages, menu changes, and so on. Then the next distro they would be back to well polished and working great distro. They simply could not ever get consistency from version to version. Then after a while, they seemed to side with doing both. Now they are one of the most bloated and slow distros out there. It is that inconsistency that keeps me from taking it up, because I know from experience that they might get a killer version, then they will screw it up again on the next one.
I was super impressed when PCLOS came out, because it was what Mandriva should have or could have been from the start; but, unfortunately they too seem to have gone down the road of inconsistent.
where is the beef?
This is just bullshit. I too have run well over 1000 linux systems of all types for over 10 years, and I will not say that I KNOW I have never had a virus but I am fairly frigen certain. This is not some fucking epistemological debate (how do you know your computer is running?)
You know why, I KNOW there is no viruses in my Linux systems?
Because a virus that does not do anything, is not much of virus. Linux systems in general have fairly robust logging system, security measures, and most importantly systems transparency.
Any system admin that has paid attention to what their computers are doing, what is running, how the network is behaving will KNOW fairly quickly that something is not suppose to be there. The problem with windows is not only will it get viruses, but they are easy to hide and run. The privilege separation in Linux makes it very hard for a virus to get installed in the first place, and even harder for it to operate without detection and really accomplish any useful sort of work (e.g. infecting other computers, forming bot nets, destroying data, steeling data, serving porn, whatever).
So, that is just bullshit. What are you guys fucking two years old?
What about other languages?
We all talk about brute forcing English, and the ASCII space. The English language and the alphabet are fairly limited.
What about say Chinese characters or Greek? Basically, are there other natural languages that are harder to crack when used as passwords? Chinese for example has better than 50,000 characters by some estimates (less than 3,000 are commonly recognized and used).
Traded on the stock exchange under LNUX ticker symbol. How is it not a company?
It is designed for the old hardware.
http://tiny.seul.org/en/
Strange how the lessons of history are ignored. The same problems we are having with broadband roll out in the States and the importance to the economy, is so close to what the rail roads where like around 1880. Massive monopolies with their hand in to everything including telecommunications.
yea, I have worked with a lot of them. Guess what, they can not talk to the village next door, and often would prefer to burn the people in the village next door rather than talk to them.
If it was not for Spanish, many villages in Guatemala would not be able to talk to each other at all (many still do not speak Spanish). That is assuming they wanted to talk to them. Other than the artificial boarder drawn on the map, it would be hard to say there is anything like a "Mayan" or "Guatemalan" culture beyond a fairly fuzzy generalization. Most of those cultures where simple farmers and owned by the Mayan. They most likly never knew much about the Mayan written language.
I bet if we nuked systematically every major city in developed countries, the environmental impact of the radiation in a hundred years would likly be less than if they just keep on going the way they are wasting 90% of the World's resources on 10% of the population.
That would be fairly easy to determine. I just need to have a look at my web site server logs to see all the information about my visitors OS, the version, and so on, not to mention you have about a 60% chance of any given server being linux.
I have never been a Debian user, but I have been using open source software for better than 10 years and I recall back then everything I was running being signed at least in Red Hat / rpm circles. I believe most things where signed because there was always the possibility of a download being corrupted from a flaky Internet connection, more than security concerns.
I have been running linux machines for going on 10 years now, including my home, all the computers in my office, dozens of servers with every imaginable piece of software and configuration possible (some secure some insecure) in that time, I as yet to ever find one virus, malware, or evidence that a serious attempt was ever made any progress.
The market share argument just does not cut it. You would think there would be at least one well know case in the wild by now of a linux virus spreading to other linux machines in a sustained and ongoing manner.
The best we have are 'just so' cases. The software, permissions, user, network, and so on had to be just so in order for virus or malware to work. But a general widespread linux virus? Where are they?