You seem to be incapable of getting this fairly easy to understand piece of information: no it doesn't.
Those things remain out there on darknets, in basements and getting passed around by creepy wierdos. Filtering everyones internet does nothing, absolutley nothing to stop those guys.
when the wheels come off your car you don't really care if it was the manufacturer of the body or the wheels who screwed up. all you want is for the wheels to not fall off wether it's the car body manufacturers of the wheel manufacturers who do it.
It seems whenever anyone has any kind of problem with linux where things simply don't work without 5 hours on support boards and reading config files that it is never ever ever ever any kind problem with linux but rather those other guys... ya... them... writing their drivers to be compatible with only 99% of the market. the bastards.
If people do not have a reasonable assurance of privacy, they don't live in a free society.
So in order to prevent this invasion of privacy we're going to inspect the information that everyone sends and recieves to make sure that privacy isn't violated.
In other news to prevent theft the government is going to confiscate everyones property so that it can be kept somewhere safe and to prevent evesdropping the government is going to listen in on everyones phone conversations.
even if it is a violation of privacy how many of the basic elements of a free society are you willing to throw in the shitter for the sake of reassuring the victims that while the creepy wierdos are still looking at their pictures just as much despite the laws and the censorship, at least everyone elses privacy is being invaded just as much now....
Actually that particular problem has been looked at quite a lot. Biological systems tend to have a lot of redundancy and fail softly.
Computer programs tend not to have much redundency and lots of invalid situations which cause a total crash. Randomly change the destination of a mov or a jump and you've got nonsense code.
Try reading up on Tierra. They tried to address a lot of these problems by making the code a lot more like genetic code even going to far as to change how jumps work such that they look for patterns nearby rather than specific locations and other changes.
Which they never do because (this is the argument) if you let everyone see what's on the list then it's just a guide to pedophiles for where they can get child porn.
So tell me. With a publicly managed system in a country where downloading *list of bad things* or attempting to access any site on the blacklist is a serious crime how exactly does any particular member of the public check the contents of any site on the list without risking jail time? (bonus points: work this out without also demonstrating how useless the blacklist really is for it's intended purpose.)
Whatever system is the most used will be the most attacked and almost certainly the most compromised.
Do OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, Linux, Mac OS X Server, or even AIX and HP-UX have less flaws than windows?
probably. Almost certainly in fact.
But at the same time without the obscurity factor the flaws they do have will be found by determined attackers and due to the eternal demand for extra features there will always be new flaws.
There is no perfect system and you have to remember that virus writers are buisnessmen these days who go after the biggest targets.
Yes, unfortunatly the news sites write what they're told and trying to get the point across that they're protesting the existance of the blacklist rather than whats supposed to be on it is a little too much of a fine distinction for most journalism graduates to understand.
Oh it's easy to pick out a few things and say "these, these are ok to put on the blacklist"
The problem being of course that once there *is* a blacklist, esspecially one which nobody is allowed to see or even talk about then pretty soon other things start getting added to the backlist and after a while you might as well just move to china.
Lets look at it from the fundamentalist crazy point of view.... "Abortion = murder and well murder is worse than rape and murdering children is worse than raping them"... them so pro abortion sites quickly end up on the list.
and so on and so on.
Given the real world examples of exactly this kind of situation is anyone here going to try to argue that this isn't a *real* slipppery slope?
I'm currently working on my finaly year project and this is the most annoying crap. Essentially what I'm doing is reading a bunch of CS research papers in a specialised area and creating basic implementations. Grand. Some people who write papers include good explanations of how they're handeling their data. Some go one better and provide actual source code so that it's clear as day.
But then there's the dicks who are just trying to hide that what they've done isn't really all that complex. Sure the approach they're talking may be innovative and interesting but they try to hide the fact that what they're doing boils down to 5 to 10 lines of actual code. If there's 2 ways they could say something, one which is clear and concise and one which is cryptic and makes it harder to understand they'll go with the cryptic version.
4 lines of psedocode or half a page of obfusticated mathematical symbols where they may not even define all their variables? Heaven forbid they use the 4 lines of code!
Yes I'm pissed off that this particular aspect of the academic culture. It's bullshit and it's an attempt to hide what you're really doing and play up the "nobody but me is smart enough to understand what I'm doing" crap.
Academics need to learn from the hacker culture. "Source or GTFO"
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you can be sure that somewhere in the agreement there's a section which boils down to "we reserve the right to do whatever we damned well please and are in no way obliged to do anything"
To be fair they have a fuckton of mods and they do delete that shit within a minute or so, it's just the volume combined with the fact that most of it is on a single board. If you're gonna start holding every board liable for every post by every user then we're gonna have an internet where the admin of a site has to read each post before it becomes visible to the masses.
You sound like a preacher. I'm told once I find Jesus I'll also be enriched (perhaps not monetarily).
Well I could try holding this up to my manager, her manager or her manager but I'm fairly sure they'd all just roll their eyes given that they're all quite practical people. (you know, the kind who succeed in life and in buisness.)
I'll mention that you equally seem utterly utterly blind to anything in history that robs sub groups within that much maligned group of opportunity.
For centuries in the west, women didn't inherit property at all. Nothing.
Do they still not inherrit peroperty? this sounds like one which would get smoothed out within a couple of generations.
You seem be incapable of talking about anything but groups.
News flash: there is such a thing as an individual. It's perfectly possible to be an individual white male who's family had sweet fuck all property and as such benefit in no way from the fact that some remote far away white male people in a different world to you in fact did own property and still do.
(yes it bugs me when I get lumped in with this far away group who apparently are responsible for all the worlds Ills)
Also the example you gave: "oh, geez, gotta pick up the kids from the day care, huh? Well, see ya maybe next time"
Is not an example of some outside group excluding someone. It's an example of someone excluding themselves.
You really aren't making this easy to follow. Which premise of mine is wrong?
That people make friends with people? That people tend to have more friends of the same race/gender than not? That people hire the person they know over the person they don't? That less women choose to set up companies?
Women haven't the same access to capital? Didn't TFA say that while 3% of firms were set up by women 9% of the funding went to them?
When did we start disagreeing? You seem to have decided I'm someone you've talked to before.
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That is what the blacklist is.
You seem to be incapable of getting this fairly easy to understand piece of information:
no it doesn't.
Those things remain out there on darknets, in basements and getting passed around by creepy wierdos.
Filtering everyones internet does nothing, absolutley nothing to stop those guys.
All it does is violate everybody elses privacy.
child abuse violates the freedom of the child.
absolutley.
But censorship in no way un-violates the freedom of that child.
it gains nothing.
it achieves nothing.
it help nobody.
The pictures are out there and they don't stop being out there.
when the wheels come off your car you don't really care if it was the manufacturer of the body or the wheels who screwed up.
all you want is for the wheels to not fall off wether it's the car body manufacturers of the wheel manufacturers who do it.
It seems whenever anyone has any kind of problem with linux where things simply don't work without 5 hours on support boards and reading config files that it is never ever ever ever any kind problem with linux but rather those other guys... ya... them... writing their drivers to be compatible with only 99% of the market.
the bastards.
never mind certain commands to soldiers to kill all the adults and males and keep the young girls for themselves.
That is kind of creepy book really.
If people do not have a reasonable assurance of privacy, they don't live in a free society.
So in order to prevent this invasion of privacy we're going to inspect the information that everyone sends and recieves to make sure that privacy isn't violated.
In other news to prevent theft the government is going to confiscate everyones property so that it can be kept somewhere safe and to prevent evesdropping the government is going to listen in on everyones phone conversations.
eventually?
Wasn't there a story a while back about abortion related sites making it on to the list long ago?
even if it is a violation of privacy how many of the basic elements of a free society are you willing to throw in the shitter for the sake of reassuring the victims that while the creepy wierdos are still looking at their pictures just as much despite the laws and the censorship, at least everyone elses privacy is being invaded just as much now....
remember: this system will still be there when his party next gets into power.
Then he'll add everything he wants to the blacklist.
Actually that particular problem has been looked at quite a lot.
Biological systems tend to have a lot of redundancy and fail softly.
Computer programs tend not to have much redundency and lots of invalid situations which cause a total crash.
Randomly change the destination of a mov or a jump and you've got nonsense code.
Try reading up on Tierra. They tried to address a lot of these problems by making the code a lot more like genetic code even going to far as to change how jumps work such that they look for patterns nearby rather than specific locations and other changes.
Which they never do because (this is the argument) if you let everyone see what's on the list then it's just a guide to pedophiles for where they can get child porn.
So tell me.
With a publicly managed system in a country where downloading *list of bad things* or attempting to access any site on the blacklist is a serious crime how exactly does any particular member of the public check the contents of any site on the list without risking jail time?
(bonus points: work this out without also demonstrating how useless the blacklist really is for it's intended purpose.)
Whatever system is the most used will be the most attacked and almost certainly the most compromised.
Do OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, Linux, Mac OS X Server, or even AIX and HP-UX have less flaws than windows?
probably.
Almost certainly in fact.
But at the same time without the obscurity factor the flaws they do have will be found by determined attackers and due to the eternal demand for extra features there will always be new flaws.
There is no perfect system and you have to remember that virus writers are buisnessmen these days who go after the biggest targets.
http://webtorque.org/wp-content/uploads/malware_biz.pdf
the really quiet well made ones you don't hear much about.
And then the customers says "hey, why did mass effect stop working, this is useless for everything I want to use it for"
Yes, unfortunatly the news sites write what they're told and trying to get the point across that they're protesting the existance of the blacklist rather than whats supposed to be on it is a little too much of a fine distinction for most journalism graduates to understand.
Oh it's easy to pick out a few things and say "these, these are ok to put on the blacklist"
The problem being of course that once there *is* a blacklist, esspecially one which nobody is allowed to see or even talk about then pretty soon other things start getting added to the backlist and after a while you might as well just move to china.
Lets look at it from the fundamentalist crazy point of view....
"Abortion = murder and well murder is worse than rape and murdering children is worse than raping them"... them so pro abortion sites quickly end up on the list.
and so on and so on.
Given the real world examples of exactly this kind of situation is anyone here going to try to argue that this isn't a *real* slipppery slope?
They'll just swat ineffectually at anonymous, like a man being swarmed by bees. /b/tards will laugh.
They might even arrest one or 2 people.
And the
I'm currently working on my finaly year project and this is the most annoying crap.
Essentially what I'm doing is reading a bunch of CS research papers in a specialised area and creating basic implementations.
Grand.
Some people who write papers include good explanations of how they're handeling their data.
Some go one better and provide actual source code so that it's clear as day.
But then there's the dicks who are just trying to hide that what they've done isn't really all that complex.
Sure the approach they're talking may be innovative and interesting but they try to hide the fact that what they're doing boils down to 5 to 10 lines of actual code.
If there's 2 ways they could say something, one which is clear and concise and one which is cryptic and makes it harder to understand they'll go with the cryptic version.
4 lines of psedocode or half a page of obfusticated mathematical symbols where they may not even define all their variables?
Heaven forbid they use the 4 lines of code!
Yes I'm pissed off that this particular aspect of the academic culture.
It's bullshit and it's an attempt to hide what you're really doing and play up the "nobody but me is smart enough to understand what I'm doing" crap.
Academics need to learn from the hacker culture.
"Source or GTFO"
you can be sure that somewhere in the agreement there's a section which boils down to "we reserve the right to do whatever we damned well please and are in no way obliged to do anything"
To be fair they have a fuckton of mods and they do delete that shit within a minute or so, it's just the volume combined with the fact that most of it is on a single board.
If you're gonna start holding every board liable for every post by every user then we're gonna have an internet where the admin of a site has to read each post before it becomes visible to the masses.
I'm fairly sure those restrictions were never actually dropped.
they just gave up trying to enforce them.
Feel free to rent a server in some random country and mirror sourceforge.
You sound like a preacher.
I'm told once I find Jesus I'll also be enriched (perhaps not monetarily).
Well I could try holding this up to my manager, her manager or her manager but I'm fairly sure they'd all just roll their eyes given that they're all quite practical people.
(you know, the kind who succeed in life and in buisness.)
I'll mention that you equally seem utterly utterly blind to anything in history that robs sub groups within that much maligned group of opportunity.
For centuries in the west, women didn't inherit property at all. Nothing.
Do they still not inherrit peroperty? this sounds like one which would get smoothed out within a couple of generations.
You seem be incapable of talking about anything but groups.
News flash: there is such a thing as an individual.
It's perfectly possible to be an individual white male who's family had sweet fuck all property and as such benefit in no way from the fact that some remote far away white male people in a different world to you in fact did own property and still do.
(yes it bugs me when I get lumped in with this far away group who apparently are responsible for all the worlds Ills)
Also the example you gave:
"oh, geez, gotta pick up the kids from the day care, huh? Well, see ya maybe next time"
Is not an example of some outside group excluding someone.
It's an example of someone excluding themselves.
You really aren't making this easy to follow.
Which premise of mine is wrong?
That people make friends with people?
That people tend to have more friends of the same race/gender than not?
That people hire the person they know over the person they don't?
That less women choose to set up companies?
Women haven't the same access to capital?
Didn't TFA say that while 3% of firms were set up by women 9% of the funding went to them?
When did we start disagreeing?
You seem to have decided I'm someone you've talked to before.