from the report-Apparently he provided evidence such as emails etc to the external investigators which didn't match very well with her account so they cleared him on everything except showing the fruit-bat article.
best guess but going mostly from rumor and reading between the lines: the woman who lodged the complaint is quite likely the wife of one of the VP's in UCC.
As long as they get paid why should they care? The fact that other networks will take over in the blink of an eye just means another paycheck years down the line.
I think it's that 60% still have it installed or something. I know one or 2 who use it but it's an unmitigated crapfest which I wouldn't touch with a barge poll.
I don't even know all my old usernames. Some might have been behind registration walls, other posts out in the open. much of it trivial crap.
I can't wait for the day when a nomination for the supreme court gets rejected because of his 13 year old rants about how "Xboxes are totally for fags and noobdy likes Xbxes but fanboys"
I've been posting regularly on boards since I was 13. Most of those posts are long gone to/dev/null, sometimes along with the message board they were on.
I think this is another case of technology not keeping up with technology.
everyone who is in the UK and opened this slashdot plage is now a criminal!
The Al Qaeda Manual The attached manual was located by the Manchester (England) Metropolitan Police during a search of an al Qaeda member's home. The manual was found in a computer file described as "the military series" related to the "Declaration of Jihad." The manual was translated into English and was introduced earlier this year at the embassy bombing trial in New York. GOVERNMENT 1677-T UK/BM-1 TRANSLATION IT IS FORBIDDEN TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE HOUSE UK/BM-2TRANSLATION DECLARATION OF JIHAD [HOLY WAR] AGAINST THE COUNTRY'S TYRANTS MILITARY SERIES [Emblem]: A drawing of the globe emphasizing the Middle East and Africa with a sword through the globe [On the emblem:] Military Studies in the Jihad [Holy War] Against the Tyrants UK/BM-3 TRANSLATION [E] 19/220 In the name of Allah, the merciful and compassionate PRESENTATION To those champions who avowed the truth day and night......Andwrote with their blood and sufferings these phrases... -*-The confrontation that we are calling for with the apostateregimes does not know Socratic debates..., Platonic ideals..., nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing, and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine-gun. ***... Islamic governments have never and will never be established through peaceful solutions and cooperative councils. They are established as they [always] have been by pen and gun by word and bullet by tongue and teeth UK/BM-4 TRANSLATION In the name of Allah, the merciful and compassionate Belongs to the guest house Please do not remove it from the house except with permission. [Emblem and signature, illegible] UK/BM-5 TRANSLATION Pledge,O Sister To the sister believer whose clothes the criminals have stripped off. To the sister believer whose hair the oppressors have shaved. To the sister believer who's body has been abused by the human dogs. To the sister believer whose... Pledge, OSister Covenant, OSister...to make their women widows and their children orphans. Covenant, OSister...to make them desire death and hate appointments and prestige. Covenant, OSister... to slaughter them like lambs and let the Nile, al-Asi, and Euphrates rivers flow with their blood. Covenant, OSister... to be a pick of destruction for everygodless and apostate regime. Covenant, OSister... to retaliate for you against every dog who touch you even with a bad word. "O UK/BM-6 TRANSLATION In the name of Allah, the merciful and compassionate Thanks be to Allah. We thank him, turn to him, ask his forgiveness, and seek refuge in him from our wicked souls and bad deeds. Whomever Allah enlightens will not be misguided, and the deceiver will never be guided. I declare that there is no godbut Allah alone; he has no partners. I also declare that Mohammed is his servant and prophet. [Koranic verses]: ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam" "O mankind! Fear your guardian lord who created you from a single person. Created, out of it, his mate, and from them twain scattered [like seeds] countless men and women; fear Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual [rights], and be heedful of the wombs [that bore you]: for Allah ever watches over you." "0ye who believe! Fear Allah, and make your utterance straight forward: That he may make your conduct whole and sound and forgive you your sins. He that obeys Allah and his messenger, has already attained the great victory." Afterward, The most truthful saying is the book of Allah and the best guidance is that of Mohammed, God bless and keep him. [Therefore,]the worst thing is to introduce something new, for every novelty is an act of heresy and each heresy is a deception. UK/BM-7 TRANSLATION Introduction Martyrs were killed, women were widowed, children were orphaned,
The goal of book bans is to prevent you ever learning the toughts of others on a subject and as such to try to prevent you from ever sharing those thoughts so book bans and such restrictions on the transmission of ideas is inherently related to thoughtcrime.
But of course the UK could never be going down that road.
inventive ways to create "pre-crime" is fantastic isn't it.
why punish people for harm they do when you can punish them in advance for crimes you think they might one day do! bonus points if you can lock up people for being creepy as well since nobody likes creepy people.
Even CGI generated child pornography is illegal. No actual child involved in any way.
Which again is utterly insane and based on nothing more than the opinions of moralizing bigots. Nobody should be able to turn themselves into criminal while sitting alone in a sealed room with nothing more than a biro and a sheet of paper.
I too downloaded pleanty of "terrorist material" when I was a teenager. I wasn't remotely interested in creating bombs. I just wanted to know the chemistry.
There is some good material out there but I came to the conclusion that even with just my moderate knowledge of chemistry 90% of the stuff was completely off the wall and more likely to kill the person following the guides.
Child porn is not illegal because the person in question might want to touch chilren.(though that's what the sun readers might like.) Child porn is illegal because it's production required that a child be taken advantage of, abused or hurt.
the creation of the anarchist cookbook did not require anyone to be hurt or killed so it is nothing. absolutely nothing like child porn.
It's a false, dishonest and misleading comparison.
I have a pile of chemistry books which would give you all the information you'd need to make things that kill people. I have a pile of physics books which tell me everything I need to know to build a basic nuclear weapon. I have a pile of biology books which tell me everything I'd need to know to engineer a virus. Those are all apparently ok.
But if it's in a little book with a threatening title then it's BAAAAAAD.
You seem to have a bit of a mental block on this score:
People aren't arguing that this isn't a british law. They're arguing that it's a batshit insane, incoherent, crazy, nutjob law dreamed up by braindead politicians with no respect for civil liberties.
In the UK the government was created by generations of nobles cutting each others heads off to protect and server themselves. It's come a long way but you can still see the roots quite clearly.
your whole argument about intent seems arse backwards.
If I posses a manual written by Stallman which explains how to use GCC and also advocates writing open source software it does not show I have an intent to create open source software. Not even a little. Not the slightest bit. It might convince a brain dead judge that I was intending to code open source software but all I'd be interested in is using the book as a manual, not a guide to life.
If I posses a manual written by Ossama which explains how to create bombs and also talk at length about what he thinks they should be used for that does not mean I have any interest in his opinions on what they should be used for. Not the slightest bit. It might convince a brain dead judge but all I'd be interested in is using the book as a manual, not a guide to life. Now should I have an actual intent to blow up gay bars,train stations or toaster factories(fuck knows) but if I'm just looking to make the bombs I'd grab any text which explained how.
Now of course if I have a shelf full of books on how open source is great which are not mauals that might make for half decent proof of intent.
If I have a shelf full of books about how certain terrorists are totally jusified, how their cause is great etc etc which are not mauals that might make for half decent proof of intent after the bombs are found.
The manual itself says nothing, nothing at all other than you want to make bombs for *something*.
examples chosen to make sense to people on slashdot.
And they couldn't have been convicted for making ricin and storing it in their house for months because....?
but but but... what if they can't get them on anything else????!!!?!?!
You know what would make things really easy for the police: Make possession of water, air or food an offense punishable by life imprisonment. then any time the police "know" someone is doing something they don't like they can just pull out the law and send them to prison. Fantastic isn't it!
Somehow I have a feeling it might go the other way. I use Wikipedia to find out about trivial subjects far more than I do for historic battles or grand world events.
the last few wikis I looked at?
Yorkie bars list of all Dr who episodes Some obscure types of paint and a few algorithms.
In other words what a normal encyclopedia wouldn't touch.
not a Washington, Vesuvius or Blue Whale among them.
Slashdot Mirror
It wasn't actually a court.
More one of those board of inquiry setups.
from the report-Apparently he provided evidence such as emails etc to the external investigators which didn't match very well with her account so they cleared him on everything except showing the fruit-bat article.
keep reading: he was cleared on everything except the article.
If you read on he was cleared on everything except showing her the article.
He contends that the paper wasn't a joke at all but that others classed it as such.
It wasn't a student.
It was another member of staff.
For copies of the letters sent back and forth along with far more details:
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/c1.jpg
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/c2.jpg
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/reply.pdf
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/report1.jpg
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/report2.jpg
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/reply_report.pdf
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/reply_reply1.jpg
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/reply_reply2.jpg
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/letter_2_pres.pdf
http://felidware.com/DylanEvans/ifut.pdf
best guess but going mostly from rumor and reading between the lines: the woman who lodged the complaint is quite likely the wife of one of the VP's in UCC.
As long as they get paid why should they care?
The fact that other networks will take over in the blink of an eye just means another paycheck years down the line.
I think it's that 60% still have it installed or something.
I know one or 2 who use it but it's an unmitigated crapfest which I wouldn't touch with a barge poll.
I have posted on BBS's but not much.
the vast majority of my postings have been on dem new fangled message boards.
I don't even know all my old usernames.
Some might have been behind registration walls, other posts out in the open.
much of it trivial crap.
I can't wait for the day when a nomination for the supreme court gets rejected because of his 13 year old rants about how "Xboxes are totally for fags and noobdy likes Xbxes but fanboys"
I've been posting regularly on boards since I was 13. /dev/null, sometimes along with the message board they were on.
Most of those posts are long gone to
I think this is another case of technology not keeping up with technology.
Not if he's BSD
everyone who is in the UK and opened this slashdot plage is now a criminal!
The Al Qaeda Manual
The attached manual was located by the Manchester (England) Metropolitan Police during a search of an al Qaeda member's home. The manual was found in a computer file
described as "the military series" related to the "Declaration of Jihad." The manual was translated into English and was introduced earlier this year at the embassy bombing trial in New York.
GOVERNMENT
1677-T
UK/BM-1 TRANSLATION
IT IS FORBIDDEN TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE HOUSE
UK/BM-2TRANSLATION
DECLARATION OF JIHAD [HOLY WAR] AGAINST THE COUNTRY'S TYRANTS MILITARY SERIES
[Emblem]: A drawing of the globe emphasizing the Middle East and
Africa with a sword through the globe
[On the emblem:] Military Studies in the Jihad [Holy War] Against
the Tyrants
UK/BM-3 TRANSLATION
[E] 19/220
In the name of Allah, the merciful and compassionate
PRESENTATION
To those champions who avowed the truth day and night......Andwrote with their blood and sufferings these phrases...
-*-The confrontation that we are calling for with the apostateregimes does not know Socratic debates...,
Platonic ideals..., nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing, and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine-gun.
***... Islamic governments have never and will never be established through peaceful solutions and cooperative councils. They are
established as they [always] have been
by pen and gun
by word and bullet
by tongue and teeth
UK/BM-4 TRANSLATION
In the name of Allah, the merciful and compassionate
Belongs to the guest house
Please do not remove it from the house except with permission.
[Emblem and signature, illegible]
UK/BM-5 TRANSLATION
Pledge,O Sister
To the sister believer whose clothes the criminals have stripped
off.
To the sister believer whose hair the oppressors have shaved.
To the sister believer who's body has been abused by the human
dogs.
To the sister believer whose...
Pledge, OSister
Covenant, OSister...to make their women widows and their children orphans.
Covenant, OSister...to make them desire death and hate appointments and prestige.
Covenant, OSister... to slaughter them like lambs and let the
Nile, al-Asi, and Euphrates rivers flow with their blood.
Covenant, OSister... to be a pick of destruction for everygodless and apostate regime.
Covenant, OSister... to retaliate for you against every dog who touch you even with a bad word.
"O
UK/BM-6 TRANSLATION
In the name of Allah, the merciful and compassionate
Thanks be to Allah. We thank him, turn to him, ask his forgiveness, and seek refuge in him from our wicked souls and bad deeds. Whomever Allah enlightens will not be misguided, and the deceiver will never be guided. I declare that there is no godbut Allah alone; he has no partners. I also declare that Mohammed is his servant and prophet.
[Koranic verses]:
ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam"
"O mankind! Fear your guardian lord who created you from a single person. Created, out of it, his mate, and from them twain scattered [like seeds] countless men and women; fear Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual [rights], and be heedful of the wombs [that bore you]: for Allah ever watches over you."
"0ye who believe! Fear Allah, and make your utterance straight
forward: That he may make your conduct whole and sound and
forgive you your sins. He that obeys Allah and his messenger, has
already attained the great victory."
Afterward,
The most truthful saying is the book of Allah and the best
guidance is that of Mohammed, God bless and keep him.
[Therefore,]the worst thing is to introduce something new, for
every novelty is an act of heresy and each heresy is a deception.
UK/BM-7 TRANSLATION
Introduction
Martyrs were killed, women were widowed, children were orphaned,
The goal of book bans is to prevent you ever learning the toughts of others on a subject and as such to try to prevent you from ever sharing those thoughts so book bans and such restrictions on the transmission of ideas is inherently related to thoughtcrime.
But of course the UK could never be going down that road.
http://www.boingboing.net/200701091052.jpg
inventive ways to create "pre-crime" is fantastic isn't it.
why punish people for harm they do when you can punish them in advance for crimes you think they might one day do!
bonus points if you can lock up people for being creepy as well since nobody likes creepy people.
Even CGI generated child pornography is illegal. No actual child involved in any way.
Which again is utterly insane and based on nothing more than the opinions of moralizing bigots.
Nobody should be able to turn themselves into criminal while sitting alone in a sealed room with nothing more than a biro and a sheet of paper.
I too downloaded pleanty of "terrorist material" when I was a teenager.
I wasn't remotely interested in creating bombs. I just wanted to know the chemistry.
There is some good material out there but I came to the conclusion that even with just my moderate knowledge of chemistry 90% of the stuff was completely off the wall and more likely to kill the person following the guides.
Child porn is not illegal because the person in question might want to touch chilren.(though that's what the sun readers might like.)
Child porn is illegal because it's production required that a child be taken advantage of, abused or hurt.
the creation of the anarchist cookbook did not require anyone to be hurt or killed so it is nothing. absolutely nothing like child porn.
It's a false, dishonest and misleading comparison.
I have a pile of chemistry books which would give you all the information you'd need to make things that kill people.
I have a pile of physics books which tell me everything I need to know to build a basic nuclear weapon.
I have a pile of biology books which tell me everything I'd need to know to engineer a virus.
Those are all apparently ok.
But if it's in a little book with a threatening title then it's BAAAAAAD.
You seem to have a bit of a mental block on this score:
People aren't arguing that this isn't a british law.
They're arguing that it's a batshit insane, incoherent, crazy, nutjob law dreamed up by braindead politicians with no respect for civil liberties.
In the UK the government was created by generations of nobles cutting each others heads off to protect and server themselves.
It's come a long way but you can still see the roots quite clearly.
your whole argument about intent seems arse backwards.
If I posses a manual written by Stallman which explains how to use GCC and also advocates writing open source software it does not show I have an intent to create open source software.
Not even a little.
Not the slightest bit.
It might convince a brain dead judge that I was intending to code open source software but all I'd be interested in is using the book as a manual, not a guide to life.
If I posses a manual written by Ossama which explains how to create bombs and also talk at length about what he thinks they should be used for that does not mean I have any interest in his opinions on what they should be used for.
Not the slightest bit.
It might convince a brain dead judge but all I'd be interested in is using the book as a manual, not a guide to life.
Now should I have an actual intent to blow up gay bars,train stations or toaster factories(fuck knows) but if I'm just looking to make the bombs I'd grab any text which explained how.
Now of course if I have a shelf full of books on how open source is great which are not mauals that might make for half decent proof of intent.
If I have a shelf full of books about how certain terrorists are totally jusified, how their cause is great etc etc which are not mauals that might make for half decent proof of intent after the bombs are found.
The manual itself says nothing, nothing at all other than you want to make bombs for *something*.
examples chosen to make sense to people on slashdot.
And they couldn't have been convicted for making ricin and storing it in their house for months because....?
but but but... what if they can't get them on anything else????!!!?!?!
You know what would make things really easy for the police:
Make possession of water, air or food an offense punishable by life imprisonment.
then any time the police "know" someone is doing something they don't like they can just pull out the law and send them to prison.
Fantastic isn't it!
if greenpeace had their way we'd all live in the forrest eating berries and passing the time by throwing our own shit at each other.
Somehow I have a feeling it might go the other way.
I use Wikipedia to find out about trivial subjects far more than I do for historic battles or grand world events.
the last few wikis I looked at?
Yorkie bars
list of all Dr who episodes
Some obscure types of paint
and a few algorithms.
In other words what a normal encyclopedia wouldn't touch.
not a Washington, Vesuvius or Blue Whale among them.