So you believe that widespread civil unrest in Birmingham, Bristol, Leeds, Liverpool, London is not mainstream... and is equivalent to the unproved allegation of agent provocateurs during the Greek austerity riots in Athens only?
Despite popular US belief, the CCTV network is not a central 'Big Brother' style network of cameras... a large proportion of the cameras are privately owned/run, and the bulk of the cameras aren't hooked up to a central network.
I'm well aware of agent provocateurs... however widespread civil unrest WITHIN YOUR OWN NATION is not generally the aim of agent provocateurs. Their use is normally to destabilise foreign sovereign nations, not your own.
I would say that the truth is that both paradigms are involved... you have some who are truly interested in change, and some that are just after a new TV.
Judging by your username, you're trolling... however I'm going to feed the troll here. This has more to do with random violence, theft and destruction affecting ALL classes of society. *Exactly* what a government is supposed to control and/or prevent (one of the things, anyway).
The problem with that concept is that they're not all government owned and controlled, and they're not all hooked up to a central network... if they're hooked up to a networked or watched at all. It's supposed to be a deterrent but fails in that respect.
How about figuring out why you have disaffected youth rather than how they are effective at being disruptive.
The job of the police isn't to determine why, it's to stop it from happening. The police are doing their job. The 'why' is only for politicians to work out and try to address.
Right... good point. Open slather on guns to a nation that has 0.15 deaths per 100,000 population under advice from the USA... with 3.98 homicides per 100,000. Great idea! (Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.)
eastern-european migrants taking over the few remaining jobs.
I have to argue with that point, with an official unemployment rate of 7.7%, it's not like the Thatcher era. Unemployment rates are relatively low, so you can't argue that unemployment is a factor here without ignoring the facts.
Looks like you're getting your wish, someone is downrating all of my posts in this thread. It's OK, sometimes people don't like to hear that they're being irrational and idiotic, I understand.
Oh, I'm so sorry for bringing up paraphrased quotes that I've seen written by others in regards to this issue. Possibly I have painted his comments with too broad a brushstroke, and possibly I should only address the lunatic raving that he actually has written.
I'm not an American, I don't particularly care. I do find it amusing that you appear to be convinced that he's a 'dirty foreigner' just because he's black and has a funny name.
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So you believe that widespread civil unrest in Birmingham, Bristol, Leeds, Liverpool, London is not mainstream... and is equivalent to the unproved allegation of agent provocateurs during the Greek austerity riots in Athens only?
Despite popular US belief, the CCTV network is not a central 'Big Brother' style network of cameras... a large proportion of the cameras are privately owned/run, and the bulk of the cameras aren't hooked up to a central network.
Parent isn't flamebait... it may be an angry post, but there's still coherent logic behind it.
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I'm well aware of agent provocateurs... however widespread civil unrest WITHIN YOUR OWN NATION is not generally the aim of agent provocateurs. Their use is normally to destabilise foreign sovereign nations, not your own.
Here's an idea, maybe it was the fact that it WAS spreading, rather than where it was spreading to that inspired the return.
"to a network" ffs...
Mod parent up... while confrontational, it's still an insightful comment.
Missed the point by *that* much.
I would say that the truth is that both paradigms are involved... you have some who are truly interested in change, and some that are just after a new TV.
Take off your tinfoil hat for a second... do you really think a government can survive ongoing civil unrest?
It started as social unrest, it spread to the 'thieving cunts' afterwards.
Judging by your username, you're trolling... however I'm going to feed the troll here. This has more to do with random violence, theft and destruction affecting ALL classes of society. *Exactly* what a government is supposed to control and/or prevent (one of the things, anyway).
The problem with that concept is that they're not all government owned and controlled, and they're not all hooked up to a central network... if they're hooked up to a networked or watched at all. It's supposed to be a deterrent but fails in that respect.
You seem to be missing the point that the UK is both a democracy and a monarchy... it's a constitutional monarchy.
How about figuring out why you have disaffected youth rather than how they are effective at being disruptive.
The job of the police isn't to determine why, it's to stop it from happening. The police are doing their job. The 'why' is only for politicians to work out and try to address.
(Sorry, it was 0.38 deaths TOTAL vs 0.15 homicides)
Right... good point. Open slather on guns to a nation that has 0.15 deaths per 100,000 population under advice from the USA... with 3.98 homicides per 100,000. Great idea! (Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.)
eastern-european migrants taking over the few remaining jobs.
I have to argue with that point, with an official unemployment rate of 7.7%, it's not like the Thatcher era. Unemployment rates are relatively low, so you can't argue that unemployment is a factor here without ignoring the facts.
Soon, They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!
At this point, regardless of individual beliefs... I'm sure that they would prefer to NOT have rioting than incite more riots.
Looks like you're getting your wish, someone is downrating all of my posts in this thread. It's OK, sometimes people don't like to hear that they're being irrational and idiotic, I understand.
Oh, I'm so sorry for bringing up paraphrased quotes that I've seen written by others in regards to this issue. Possibly I have painted his comments with too broad a brushstroke, and possibly I should only address the lunatic raving that he actually has written.
I'm not an American, I don't particularly care. I do find it amusing that you appear to be convinced that he's a 'dirty foreigner' just because he's black and has a funny name.
If you find an "original" document months or years after people first start questioning its absence, chances are you're the one holding a fake.
I admire your faith, to retain such belief in a shattered concept must take a lot of blind faith.