http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/
The chart on that page shows not two, but three previous high spikes, not counting the high level at the beginning of the chart. We are in an interglacial period, plain and simple. Without industrialization, we could EXPECT marked global warming. With industrialization, maybe we add to the phenomena. But, today's climate is consistent with past historical patterns.
Oh please!! If you insist that Linux isn't as good as Windows, at least choose one of Window's better offerings. I haven't used a Linux distro that blew as badly as Vista does. WinXP is indeed a good operating system. Other than security problems, when tweaked properly, it is fast and reliable. Win7 looks like it can make that same claim. Vista? You really need to get out more, and find out what people are REALLY saying about Vista.
Yes, I admit - I wanted my oldest son to be just like me, so I beat him senseless every time he acted in a manner which I disapproved of. The third son didn't have that handicap - he is really a foundling, and I never expected him to be like me. There, you happy? Seriously - don't blame microsoft? Why not? They built a monopoly, and they use every means at their disposal to enforce that monopoly. People are brainwashed to the point that educators have threatened to call the law when they discover children using some other operating system. Oh hell, I'll just admit this too - I'm an un-American SOB who doesn't worship the concept of capitalism. There. you wrung two confessions out of me in less than ten minutes. Might as well drag me out back of the barn, and put a bullet in my ear.......
Moron can't even spell, let alone make a coherent statement. Hail? Hail is a form of precipitation, not a salutation. Moron. Spic, kike, coon, nigger, all in the same sentence with Jesus. Phhhht. There should be a minimum IQ test that needs to be passed before anyone can get on the internet. IQ should be AT LEAST double your shoe size. Or, four times the size of your penis, if you don't wear shoes.......
Damned good thing that I graduated from high school, and started setting things right, huh? Just think where we would be had I been born 20 years later.......
Ahh, nothing like an idiot being led by a moron. Very similar to the blind leading the blind. Thank you, ma'am. ROFLMAO
The fact is, there is precious little carbon in any type of rock. If the earth is poisoned by volcanic eruptions, it is due to dozens of other elements and compounds that have nothing to do with carbon. Sulphur, anyone?
Well if I WERE making shit up, it would be no less than the "experts" deserve. FYI, I have no "fellow travelers". I'm not part of a cult, not part of a fan club, not part of a movement, nor do I partake of internationally broadcast kool-aid drinkers singing in city parks. If you've read all that I've written in the past couple days, you will already realize that I'm all for stopping waste, stopping pollution, and cleaning things up. But, I doubt the science, and I doubt the sincerety of the kool aid drinkers. Remember the big sing-in a few months ago, where a zillion celebs were trying to sing the world healthy? Remember all the lights that were turned off in all the cities around the world? Those damned lights are back on again, contributing to those carbon levels. Think about it. But, all's well - the latter day hippies got to listen to a few tunes, and they had their "feel good"........
Well, do you wish to look at the problem intelligently, or just take it on faith that those people who are telling you that it's going to cost a lot to clean up are being honest?
I've already used the phrase a few times: religious zealotry. Faith is a helluva thing to fight.
If the school did it's job properly, the job hunter can list a dozen different word processors with which he is competent, INCLUDING MSOffice and OpenOffice, GoogleSpreadsheet, Abi, Gnu, WordPerfect (is that still around?) and more. In short, he should be familiar with AT LEAST the 10 most popular business applications, proprietary or not.
Your first statement is 100% correct. The rest of your post just screws the pooch. Example: I have three sons. Son #1 attends college, and takes something called "computer science". The kid can do a lot of magic - on a microsoft machine, IF it is set up for him. He has little concept of hardware, how the operating system works, or how to fix stuff when it's broken. Put him on a *nix box, and he's lost. Son #2 has no pertinence to this discussion. Son #3 is _almost_a_nix_nut_ That is, he likes windows, sometimes, for certain things. But, he GENERALLY prefers open source alternatives. He can field strip a laptop (blindfolded?) in no time at all, R&R faulty components, reinstall anything, configure it, and hand it back to the user, ready to run. Believe me - I strongly question the value of Son #1's higher education. I feel he has been turned into precisely the sort of proprietary zombie that Microsoft loves.... In summary - it is the duty of the university to EDUCATE students in COMPUTER SCIENCE, then let the kid run with what they learn. They shouldn't be sheltering children from the REAL WORLD where advances are happening constantly.
Whoa! Nicotine? Bogus mind washing. Because the tobacco industry lied to the public for decades, it is commonly accepted that it is alright for the anti-smoking nuts to lie to us forever after. But, that is a different flavor of religious zealotry....
Carbon rich rock? Carbon from volcanos? Wow, this is all new territory to me....... Tell me, what exactly is a carbon rich rock? Wouldn't that be a diamond?
You obviously can't read my post - it seems just as obvious that you can't read the scientific reports. You may stop passing yourself off as being literate in climatology. Gynecology? Where is your mind?
True - however, when I found that, I did a quick (lazy) google on sulphur, acid rain, and acid runoff. Didn't find much - but you may remember the horror stories of a few years back, regarding acid rain. If we have documentation about alkaline runoff - there ought to be more documentation about acid runoff. Be that as it may - alkaline and acid materials mixing tend to create some rather unhealthy chemicals. I'm beginning to wonder just what IS in those deadzones..... it could be worse than we imagine.
I can't answer that, but I can offer you a single reference, which suggests as much:
Raymond, P.A., and J. J. Cole, 2003: Increase in the export of alkalinity from North America's largest river. Science, 301, 88-91.
"The popular opinion of the scientific community makes the science (as established through years of peer-reviewed published literature). That's how science works."
That is not accurate. Years of peer-reviewed published literature showed us that there was an "aether" or "ether" in space, which provided some sort of framework on which the universe was based, or constructed. That aether supposedly formed a medium by which visible light and other forms of radiation were transmitted. It was only in the last century that the concept was proven wrong.
Real science consists of observing the physical universe, drawing conclusions, and testing those conclusions to prove or to disprove the conclusions. It simply doesn't MATTER how many people THINK that the original hypothesis was right, or how vocal they are about their belief. It doesn't even matter if there is some silly thing like a "consensus" among scientists.
The rest of your post is hardly worth considering. As I said, at least twice in pre-history, those carbon levels shot extremely high. You dismiss that fact with the idea that it wasn't the same earth. It almost seems that you believe the laws of physics have changed dramatically at some point in the earth's history. I certainly hope you aren't trying to pass your SELF off as some kind of a climatologist? Please, we already have to many self-acclaimed climatologists making noise out there.
Some questions I might ask, is exactly when did climatology become a field? And, exactly when did it become a common household concern? And, why is climatology one of the VERY few fields of science commonly bandied about by politicians, such as Al Gore? There are a lot of things that I question. And, I for one, don't accept a "truth" just because a lot of people agree that it is a truth. The jury is still out, and not all scientists agree that this specialized group of scientists know what they are talking about. In general terms, yes, they have found evidence that the earth is warming. In general, again, they have found evidence that C02 probably contributes to that warming. But, one funny thing about that is, WATER VAPOR traps more thermal energy than CO2 does. Hmmmm. Of course, both water vapor AND CO2 would be rapidly reabsorbed within the biosphere, if only we could reverse the global deforestation. The lack of trees is almost certainly the greatest factor in global warming, aside from solar activity.
A reasonable statement. However - the dinosaurs weren't able to do much about the Jurassic, and I don't think we can do a whole lot more than they did. Anyway - what is being done? The most notable action that I have seen to date, is this silly scam, whereby wasteful people send money to some organization to plant a tree for them. Phhht. I guess a little feel-good is alright, but it isn't doing SQUAT for us, or for the environment. The single greatest benefit to us AND the environment would derive from convincing people to park their cars, and carry their lard arses around on foot, or on a bicycle.
Interesting link. Definitely worth following up on... Of course, I was told a few posts back that we have insufficient means of measurment, and insufficient history to make any statement regarding Mars, lol But, it's easy to see from this one link alone that warming on Mars may have almost nothing to do with Earth.
He may well be. You would have to look at his qualifications. Physics is physics, after all - the study of the physical world around you. In all likelihood, if he were NOT qualified, he probably wouldn't comment. But, you can be certain that he is probably more qualified than the average slashdotter.
What's funny about your twisted quote, is that I have never denied that man probably causes some of the global warming. My problem is with the "scientists" like Al Gore who have popularised a theory, and promoted it into a quasi-religion. The consensus is flawed, not to mention that the members of the consensus are over rated, and publicised beyond reasonable expectations. When Joe Sixpack starts quoting "scientists", you HAVE to be sceptical. And, remember - where everyone thinks alike, there isn't much thinking taking place.;)
Solar activity is almost certainly the source of MOST of the global warming. I mean, man wasn't around to pollute the earth with excess carbon prior to the jurassic period, was he? Believe me, (or not) the earth was MUCH WARMER THEN, than it is now! (or will be in the forseeable future)
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I love these moronic trolling comments. Life for everyone would be more enjoyable if you added something to the conversation, now wouldn't it?
http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/07/carbon-dioxide-and-temperatures-ice.html Another place to find info on past spikes.
http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ The chart on that page shows not two, but three previous high spikes, not counting the high level at the beginning of the chart. We are in an interglacial period, plain and simple. Without industrialization, we could EXPECT marked global warming. With industrialization, maybe we add to the phenomena. But, today's climate is consistent with past historical patterns.
Oh please!! If you insist that Linux isn't as good as Windows, at least choose one of Window's better offerings. I haven't used a Linux distro that blew as badly as Vista does. WinXP is indeed a good operating system. Other than security problems, when tweaked properly, it is fast and reliable. Win7 looks like it can make that same claim. Vista? You really need to get out more, and find out what people are REALLY saying about Vista.
Yes, I admit - I wanted my oldest son to be just like me, so I beat him senseless every time he acted in a manner which I disapproved of. The third son didn't have that handicap - he is really a foundling, and I never expected him to be like me. There, you happy? Seriously - don't blame microsoft? Why not? They built a monopoly, and they use every means at their disposal to enforce that monopoly. People are brainwashed to the point that educators have threatened to call the law when they discover children using some other operating system. Oh hell, I'll just admit this too - I'm an un-American SOB who doesn't worship the concept of capitalism. There. you wrung two confessions out of me in less than ten minutes. Might as well drag me out back of the barn, and put a bullet in my ear.......
Moron can't even spell, let alone make a coherent statement. Hail? Hail is a form of precipitation, not a salutation. Moron. Spic, kike, coon, nigger, all in the same sentence with Jesus. Phhhht. There should be a minimum IQ test that needs to be passed before anyone can get on the internet. IQ should be AT LEAST double your shoe size. Or, four times the size of your penis, if you don't wear shoes.......
"I've wasted my life." No, Grasshopper. You have, instead, provided amusement for those watching. ;)
Damned good thing that I graduated from high school, and started setting things right, huh? Just think where we would be had I been born 20 years later.......
Ahh, nothing like an idiot being led by a moron. Very similar to the blind leading the blind. Thank you, ma'am. ROFLMAO The fact is, there is precious little carbon in any type of rock. If the earth is poisoned by volcanic eruptions, it is due to dozens of other elements and compounds that have nothing to do with carbon. Sulphur, anyone?
Well if I WERE making shit up, it would be no less than the "experts" deserve. FYI, I have no "fellow travelers". I'm not part of a cult, not part of a fan club, not part of a movement, nor do I partake of internationally broadcast kool-aid drinkers singing in city parks. If you've read all that I've written in the past couple days, you will already realize that I'm all for stopping waste, stopping pollution, and cleaning things up. But, I doubt the science, and I doubt the sincerety of the kool aid drinkers. Remember the big sing-in a few months ago, where a zillion celebs were trying to sing the world healthy? Remember all the lights that were turned off in all the cities around the world? Those damned lights are back on again, contributing to those carbon levels. Think about it. But, all's well - the latter day hippies got to listen to a few tunes, and they had their "feel good"........
Well, do you wish to look at the problem intelligently, or just take it on faith that those people who are telling you that it's going to cost a lot to clean up are being honest? I've already used the phrase a few times: religious zealotry. Faith is a helluva thing to fight.
If the school did it's job properly, the job hunter can list a dozen different word processors with which he is competent, INCLUDING MSOffice and OpenOffice, GoogleSpreadsheet, Abi, Gnu, WordPerfect (is that still around?) and more. In short, he should be familiar with AT LEAST the 10 most popular business applications, proprietary or not.
Your first statement is 100% correct. The rest of your post just screws the pooch. Example: I have three sons. Son #1 attends college, and takes something called "computer science". The kid can do a lot of magic - on a microsoft machine, IF it is set up for him. He has little concept of hardware, how the operating system works, or how to fix stuff when it's broken. Put him on a *nix box, and he's lost. Son #2 has no pertinence to this discussion. Son #3 is _almost_a_nix_nut_ That is, he likes windows, sometimes, for certain things. But, he GENERALLY prefers open source alternatives. He can field strip a laptop (blindfolded?) in no time at all, R&R faulty components, reinstall anything, configure it, and hand it back to the user, ready to run. Believe me - I strongly question the value of Son #1's higher education. I feel he has been turned into precisely the sort of proprietary zombie that Microsoft loves.... In summary - it is the duty of the university to EDUCATE students in COMPUTER SCIENCE, then let the kid run with what they learn. They shouldn't be sheltering children from the REAL WORLD where advances are happening constantly.
Whoa! Nicotine? Bogus mind washing. Because the tobacco industry lied to the public for decades, it is commonly accepted that it is alright for the anti-smoking nuts to lie to us forever after. But, that is a different flavor of religious zealotry....
Carbon rich rock? Carbon from volcanos? Wow, this is all new territory to me....... Tell me, what exactly is a carbon rich rock? Wouldn't that be a diamond?
You obviously can't read my post - it seems just as obvious that you can't read the scientific reports. You may stop passing yourself off as being literate in climatology. Gynecology? Where is your mind?
True - however, when I found that, I did a quick (lazy) google on sulphur, acid rain, and acid runoff. Didn't find much - but you may remember the horror stories of a few years back, regarding acid rain. If we have documentation about alkaline runoff - there ought to be more documentation about acid runoff. Be that as it may - alkaline and acid materials mixing tend to create some rather unhealthy chemicals. I'm beginning to wonder just what IS in those deadzones..... it could be worse than we imagine.
Ahh, there are more hits on Google. Try this link: http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:HqbT07mccnMJ:www.libraryvideo.com/guides/V6910.pdf+gulf+of+mexico+dead+zone+%22alkalinity%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&client=firefox-a
I can't answer that, but I can offer you a single reference, which suggests as much: Raymond, P.A., and J. J. Cole, 2003: Increase in the export of alkalinity from North America's largest river. Science, 301, 88-91.
"The popular opinion of the scientific community makes the science (as established through years of peer-reviewed published literature). That's how science works." That is not accurate. Years of peer-reviewed published literature showed us that there was an "aether" or "ether" in space, which provided some sort of framework on which the universe was based, or constructed. That aether supposedly formed a medium by which visible light and other forms of radiation were transmitted. It was only in the last century that the concept was proven wrong. Real science consists of observing the physical universe, drawing conclusions, and testing those conclusions to prove or to disprove the conclusions. It simply doesn't MATTER how many people THINK that the original hypothesis was right, or how vocal they are about their belief. It doesn't even matter if there is some silly thing like a "consensus" among scientists. The rest of your post is hardly worth considering. As I said, at least twice in pre-history, those carbon levels shot extremely high. You dismiss that fact with the idea that it wasn't the same earth. It almost seems that you believe the laws of physics have changed dramatically at some point in the earth's history. I certainly hope you aren't trying to pass your SELF off as some kind of a climatologist? Please, we already have to many self-acclaimed climatologists making noise out there.
Some questions I might ask, is exactly when did climatology become a field? And, exactly when did it become a common household concern? And, why is climatology one of the VERY few fields of science commonly bandied about by politicians, such as Al Gore? There are a lot of things that I question. And, I for one, don't accept a "truth" just because a lot of people agree that it is a truth. The jury is still out, and not all scientists agree that this specialized group of scientists know what they are talking about. In general terms, yes, they have found evidence that the earth is warming. In general, again, they have found evidence that C02 probably contributes to that warming. But, one funny thing about that is, WATER VAPOR traps more thermal energy than CO2 does. Hmmmm. Of course, both water vapor AND CO2 would be rapidly reabsorbed within the biosphere, if only we could reverse the global deforestation. The lack of trees is almost certainly the greatest factor in global warming, aside from solar activity.
A reasonable statement. However - the dinosaurs weren't able to do much about the Jurassic, and I don't think we can do a whole lot more than they did. Anyway - what is being done? The most notable action that I have seen to date, is this silly scam, whereby wasteful people send money to some organization to plant a tree for them. Phhht. I guess a little feel-good is alright, but it isn't doing SQUAT for us, or for the environment. The single greatest benefit to us AND the environment would derive from convincing people to park their cars, and carry their lard arses around on foot, or on a bicycle.
Interesting link. Definitely worth following up on... Of course, I was told a few posts back that we have insufficient means of measurment, and insufficient history to make any statement regarding Mars, lol But, it's easy to see from this one link alone that warming on Mars may have almost nothing to do with Earth.
He may well be. You would have to look at his qualifications. Physics is physics, after all - the study of the physical world around you. In all likelihood, if he were NOT qualified, he probably wouldn't comment. But, you can be certain that he is probably more qualified than the average slashdotter.
What's funny about your twisted quote, is that I have never denied that man probably causes some of the global warming. My problem is with the "scientists" like Al Gore who have popularised a theory, and promoted it into a quasi-religion. The consensus is flawed, not to mention that the members of the consensus are over rated, and publicised beyond reasonable expectations. When Joe Sixpack starts quoting "scientists", you HAVE to be sceptical. And, remember - where everyone thinks alike, there isn't much thinking taking place. ;)
Solar activity is almost certainly the source of MOST of the global warming. I mean, man wasn't around to pollute the earth with excess carbon prior to the jurassic period, was he? Believe me, (or not) the earth was MUCH WARMER THEN, than it is now! (or will be in the forseeable future)