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Re:Its all about the Interum Measures
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NASDAQ adds an E when has certain legal issues. The symbols themselves are 4 letters, but E means something too. I had some a while back that went from CHOD to CHODE and back to CHOD.
If Mircosfot is forced to deal with the interum measures, I bet the starting beggin for an out of court settlement. I hope the do have to deal with them , then let the appeal process drag on for years. On the other hand, if M$ weasels out the interum measures, I hope it goes striaght to the Supreme Court for a quick resolution and breakup. I think it M$ is forced to eat the iterum measures, things will start changing fast. Including M$'s stock symbol! Can you say MSFTE?
Oh! I just remembered another one: The registry! aka evil pit of doom. (though it was probably inspired by the movie Tron!) So now we have Bob, BASIC, and the Registry! Any other true M$ Innovations out there?
Microsoft hasn't been innovated since it invented the browser (oops!), no the office suite (oops again!), the GUI, not hardly, the file server, not that one either, ah, e-mail, no, transaction services, nope,... Ah the Word processor, nope, the spreedsheet, not! That would be Visacalc. How about the presentation application , oh ya Harvard Graphics. Media streamer, no, Real did it first. The mouse, no they didn't do that either. the PDA? Not even! What about DOS? Oh yea, bought that one too didn't they. Is there even one core product on the Microsoft line that is an original Microsoft innovation? How about the flight simulator? Maybe they did that first. No I think the Airforce and Atari beat them to it. So, in exactly what way are they innovative besides finding new ways to bastardize someone elses innovative ideas? And before you go claiming NT is some fresh new innovation, you might what to dig around a bit. I seem to recall that it is actually built on chunks of old VMS leftovers.
I see you reasoning, but it doesn't take into account one very important fact. Rob et al. CLAIM a release is on the way. They CLAIM they want to release it. If your assursion is true then they are purposely deceiving us, which I don't think they would do.
You also allude to a very important question that I cannot get any comment on in any way. Under what license will 0.4 be released? What will be the conditions? Based on the 0.3 pre-Andover releases, do what you want with the code, just keep a slashdot logo/link, don't claim you wrote it, and don't try to sell it. All very reasonable, but I'm worried 0.4 will be different.
Some comment on this from Rob et.al. on HOW it will be released even if they won't sayWHEN would be very, very appreciated.
To paraphase Linus when asked about the future of Linux should he be hit by a bus, why would Rob care? He'd be dead!
As far as internal code documentation and install scripts, I get the feeling that the hardcore 0.3 users/developers would be more than happy to help out here, building as they go.
As far as making it better than commercial code, any code I can see is better than code I can't!!!!
Many of us have been working with the 0.3 code as well as alternate code bases like the ones I've listed below for quite awhile. I for one, and I believe many others active on the slash-help mailing list will be more than willing to help with the initial and ongoing wave of low-level questions like mod-perl compilation etc. We have grown quite accustomed to reading Rob-code.
I understand both sides of the issue. It is Rob's code. No law says he has to release it. But, out of respect for the community in which he has become such an icon, he could at least be honest about it. If the code is heading for a close source, then say so. If it is truely going for open source, give us a target date. We have heard 'soon' since mid-1999 at least.
Odviously, Rob, you are taking a bit of flack for this, and you must see that inflamatory remarks like the '24 delay' comment don't help the situation, though I understand your frustration.
I also understand that you probably won't give us an target, but you may find yourself catching a bit less flack if you give us a bit more than just an undefined 'soon'. Give us a plan with some meat. Will it be released under a standard GNU? A modified GNU? Will we have to link to Andover as well as Slashdot? What features will be included and what won't (moderation, PGP keys, karma, etc.) in the initial 0.4 release? Give us some positive discussion on the topic instead of just voicing you frustration.
Here is some info on slashcode help and alternative code bases:
The slash-help mailing list is here. This list discusses the original slashcode 0.3, as well as non-Malda flavors of slash and the pro's and con's of each.
A forked version of the 0.3 code is availible here.
PHPSlash is being developed independently of the Malda crew. It can be had here.
DOINS is also an alternative slashcode base, though I've not worked with it personally.
I've seen some comments about slashsites not giving credit to Rob and Co. Please remember that these other versions of the code exist and are completely seperate. So, just because a site looks like slashdot doesn't mean its using Rob's code. That said, most of the non-0.3/0.2 sites are run by fans of Slashdot and so have links to it. Squishdot for example.
Several posts have asked and comment about the v0.4 slashcode, the Malda GLP, slash code mailing lists, etc. Here is some info:(Perhaps this should be a story of its own)
The slash-help mailing list is here. This list discusses the original slashcode 0.3, as well as non-Malda flavors of slash and the pro's and con's of each.
A forked version of the 0.3 code is availible here.
PHPSlash is being developed independently of the Malda crew. It can be had here.
I've seen some comments about slashsites not giving credit to Rob and Co. Please remember that these other versions of the code exist and are completely seperate. So, just because a site looks like slashdot doesn't mean its using Rob's code. That said, most of the non-0.3/0.2 sites also have mention and links to slashdot. Squishdot for example.
Here are my questions:
So far slashdot is the only site I know of that IS a self-moderating community. If other code bases begin creating moderation/metamoderation models, are they in danger of a Malda patient on metamoderation/karma or the self-moderating community concept? I think I can guess at the answer, but it would be good to have some official verbage on this from Rob.
Those of us actively working with slashcode 0.3 etc. understand the nature of beta and don't expect a 1.0 release. 0.4 would be fine even it is doesn't work, like 0.3 didn't when it was released. We will gladly fix it. Given the long period of time that 0.4 has been promised (check here for a post by Rob back in June about releasing 0.4 and here is one in August), the fact that the slash community is not likely to forget that promise, and the fact 0.3 has rather silly Y2K problems (see the slash-help list archive for fixes) will you, finally release SOMETHING or admit that the Slashdot code is in reality and practice close sourced beyond 0.3?
Would you please add a link to the slash-help mailing list mentioned above (http://projects.is.asu.edu/mailman/listinfo/slash -help) to the www.slashdot.org/code.shtml page?
If it hasn't exactly shown in this post, Rob does great code. My compliments! You have us hooked and we want more! -Temple
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When you use ask.com and click on a search result, it brings up the requested page within a frame, keeping you locked into the ask.com site! YUK!
NASDAQ adds an E when has certain legal issues. The symbols themselves are 4 letters, but E means something too. I had some a while back that went from CHOD to CHODE and back to CHOD.
If Mircosfot is forced to deal with the interum measures, I bet the starting beggin for an out of court settlement. I hope the do have to deal with them , then let the appeal process drag on for years. On the other hand, if M$ weasels out the interum measures, I hope it goes striaght to the Supreme Court for a quick resolution and breakup. I think it M$ is forced to eat the iterum measures, things will start changing fast. Including M$'s stock symbol! Can you say MSFTE?
Oh! I just remembered another one: The registry! aka evil pit of doom. (though it was probably inspired by the movie Tron!) So now we have Bob, BASIC, and the Registry! Any other true M$ Innovations out there?
Microsoft hasn't been innovated since it invented the browser (oops!), no the office suite (oops again!), the GUI, not hardly, the file server, not that one either, ah, e-mail, no, transaction services, nope, ... Ah the Word processor, nope, the spreedsheet, not! That would be Visacalc. How about the presentation application , oh ya Harvard Graphics. Media streamer, no, Real did it first. The mouse, no they didn't do that either. the PDA? Not even! What about DOS? Oh yea, bought that one too didn't they. Is there even one core product on the Microsoft line that is an original Microsoft innovation? How about the flight simulator? Maybe they did that first. No I think the Airforce and Atari beat them to it. So, in exactly what way are they innovative besides finding new ways to bastardize someone elses innovative ideas? And before you go claiming NT is some fresh new innovation, you might what to dig around a bit. I seem to recall that it is actually built on chunks of old VMS leftovers.
You also allude to a very important question that I cannot get any comment on in any way. Under what license will 0.4 be released? What will be the conditions? Based on the 0.3 pre-Andover releases, do what you want with the code, just keep a slashdot logo/link, don't claim you wrote it, and don't try to sell it. All very reasonable, but I'm worried 0.4 will be different.
Some comment on this from Rob et.al. on HOW it will be released even if they won't sayWHEN would be very, very appreciated.
As far as internal code documentation and install scripts, I get the feeling that the hardcore 0.3 users/developers would be more than happy to help out here, building as they go.
As far as making it better than commercial code, any code I can see is better than code I can't!!!!
I understand both sides of the issue. It is Rob's code. No law says he has to release it. But, out of respect for the community in which he has become such an icon, he could at least be honest about it. If the code is heading for a close source, then say so. If it is truely going for open source, give us a target date. We have heard 'soon' since mid-1999 at least.
Odviously, Rob, you are taking a bit of flack for this, and you must see that inflamatory remarks like the '24 delay' comment don't help the situation, though I understand your frustration.
I also understand that you probably won't give us an target, but you may find yourself catching a bit less flack if you give us a bit more than just an undefined 'soon'. Give us a plan with some meat. Will it be released under a standard GNU? A modified GNU? Will we have to link to Andover as well as Slashdot? What features will be included and what won't (moderation, PGP keys, karma, etc.) in the initial 0.4 release? Give us some positive discussion on the topic instead of just voicing you frustration.
Here is some info on slashcode help and alternative code bases:
The slash-help mailing list is here. This list discusses the original slashcode 0.3, as well as non-Malda flavors of slash and the pro's and con's of each.
A forked version of the 0.3 code is availible here.
PHPSlash is being developed independently of the Malda crew. It can be had here.
A Zope version called Squishdot is also availible.
DOINS is also an alternative slashcode base, though I've not worked with it personally.
I've seen some comments about slashsites not giving credit to Rob and Co. Please remember that these other versions of the code exist and are completely seperate. So, just because a site looks like slashdot doesn't mean its using Rob's code. That said, most of the non-0.3/0.2 sites are run by fans of Slashdot and so have links to it. Squishdot for example.
The slash-help mailing list is here. This list discusses the original slashcode 0.3, as well as non-Malda flavors of slash and the pro's and con's of each.
A forked version of the 0.3 code is availible here.
PHPSlash is being developed independently of the Malda crew. It can be had here.
A Zope version called Squishdot is also availible.
I've seen some comments about slashsites not giving credit to Rob and Co. Please remember that these other versions of the code exist and are completely seperate. So, just because a site looks like slashdot doesn't mean its using Rob's code. That said, most of the non-0.3/0.2 sites also have mention and links to slashdot. Squishdot for example.
Here are my questions:
So far slashdot is the only site I know of that IS a self-moderating community. If other code bases begin creating moderation/metamoderation models, are they in danger of a Malda patient on metamoderation/karma or the self-moderating community concept? I think I can guess at the answer, but it would be good to have some official verbage on this from Rob.
Those of us actively working with slashcode 0.3 etc. understand the nature of beta and don't expect a 1.0 release. 0.4 would be fine even it is doesn't work, like 0.3 didn't when it was released. We will gladly fix it. Given the long period of time that 0.4 has been promised (check here for a post by Rob back in June about releasing 0.4 and here is one in August), the fact that the slash community is not likely to forget that promise, and the fact 0.3 has rather silly Y2K problems (see the slash-help list archive for fixes) will you, finally release SOMETHING or admit that the Slashdot code is in reality and practice close sourced beyond 0.3?
Would you please add a link to the slash-help mailing list mentioned above (http://projects.is.asu.edu/mailman/listinfo/slash -help) to the www.slashdot.org/code.shtml page?
If it hasn't exactly shown in this post, Rob does great code. My compliments! You have us hooked and we want more! -Temple