I think that the emphasis on having computers in the classroom is a bit too high. I think that people go out of their ways to find ways to put computers in every classroom. If there isn't really a reason for the computer, I don't see a reason to put it there. That's the case in most high schools. Some colleges dump ethernet jacks into every classroom. Sometimes this is useful, sometimes it isn't.
One interesting thought. I'm a computer science major. Most of my lectures are taught in rooms without computers (at least, not ones that we are really using). They get the concepts along fine without them as well. True, that means that I have to spend a few hours a week in a computer lab to get my assignments done, but what use would the computers be? If I'm in a math class learning Big-O notation, I could see a computer demo helping with the concepts (graphs and such), but if I'm a computer science major, and don't find it NECESSARY, I can hardly see how it is even applicable in most high school classrooms. I can see computers helping out a LOT, I can see how my classes are MUCH improved by their use, but when people are just saying, "Yeah, and we need a computer because computers are cool." It's kind of pointless.
Also, teachers should concentrate on actually teaching their students what they need to know. If computers are helping this, cool. Don't just have them sit and chat on ICQ during your lecture though, it's not productive. The only thing that that might help is the students who need a little distraction during your lecture. They might as well be reading a newspaper and ignoring you completely.
Anyways, just a few thoughts, use them if you can, but don't force it if it's useless.
What world are you from, most of the newer systems come with some version of unix on them. Besides, I didn't say that linux was the way to go, you assumed that. Competition is a good thing. Guess what, windows isn't the end all to be all. Most serious R&D is done under something else. Ever seen a massively parallel supercomputer running NT?
The benefit of Crusoe being power consumption, I just don't see any IBM products, other than their laptops that could benefit.
Crusoe definately has the PIII beat in power consumption. That is for sure. I would have to say if I needed something that lasts for the long haul, it would be a crusoe, also, if I need it cool running and light. I still like to pack a fast processor in my laptops.
Crusoe will be great for handhelds. I can see where IBM is coming from.
Of course, x86 is a bit of a dinosaur, eventually the world is going to make the switch to a different processor. It is about time for x86 to move out and something new to come in. I think that the major holdoff on this is due to M$. The whole wintel stranglehold is a bit much to overcome. The real key to moving away from them is to get a device that is neither in popular demand, and that will take some doing. You won't only have to be better, you'll have to be DAMN better, and charge only slightly more (if you charge $500 more, people will think that you're the best, if you charge $1000 more, people will think that you're too expensive, if you charge less, people will think that you have to just to move your product).
That isn't scary. I've seen scarier things on the flag, being from a very patriotic area. What I find scarier is that people are actually willing to sign up for this because they lack the logic to see that competition is a good thing. The abundance of stupid people in the world frightens me. I think that it was best said in a song "The World's on Heroine" - All
Yeah, either MS or the uninformed masses. I'm pretty sure that most of the people out there with CS degrees who are practicing computer science aren't sitting there thinking "Damn, all of that innovative stuff at M$, NOOO!!"
Cool, I'm not sure I get the wording. Are they saying that a key escrow is still mandatory? It's good to see that they are allowing 128 bit, but only 56 for international. Hrmm, still, definately progress over the truly severe registration they used to have.
"France's laws on privacy are very strict and in a world where one's rights of privacy are being challanged all the time, it's good to see one country taking a stand."
Yeah, and encryption is so tightly regulated there that nobody can keep a secret. So, they seem to want to at least be able to listen in.
As Marty of LinuxToday puts it, though, "What does this mean? In the real world, probably not as much as it would seem. Benchmarks in general are typically set up in an ideal environment. Real world environments tend to be quite different. However, this does indicate that Linux is moving in the right direction."
I can't believe that people are sitting here saying "yeah, but this isn't the real world." Ok, no offense guys, I actually can believe it.
In Big-O notation, any scalar factor is neglible, it's factors like powers of the algorithm that arent, but this ain't an algorithm, this is a server.
If you haven't noticed, Win2K makes my computer at work crawl by relation to my computer at home... And my computer at work is MUCH faster. Trust me.
It beat Win 2k THREEFOLD. I don't care WHAT your real world situation is, THREEFOLD is a LOT. If it does THREEFOLD, that means that daggonit, it's probably going to be faster in "real world" situations too. Wake up and smell the coffee. Win 2K isn't the holy grail of computing. Linux isn't either, but it's serving 3 TIMES AS FAST, which is significant, unless the skew the benchmarks they were also running 50 copies of photoshop...
Steve is a real visionary. I've read about him, and seen a lot of his stuff. I might not know him personally, but if there was someone that I would want to work with for a few days, it would be him. He might not have been popular with a few people (fired from Apple), but man, NEXT was really... good. I'm glad he's back with Apple. Now, the fruit flavored macs might be aimed at a different kind of user, but I can see the concept and the marketting. Other stuff that Apple is doing is real great, we just get hung up on some of the stuff that they do that we consider to be "goofy shit" and the relatively aggressive stance that they take with their platform (usually).
With all due respect. Myst is great and all, but I could envision putting that together in hypercard much more than I could say... Quake. All in all, I love hypercard (believe it or not, I've written a lot in it, even fairly complex programs. Still, there will be A HIT. I'm not for ANY sacrifice when processor time is essential.
Well, I wouldn't use it to replace apps that I would write in a full power programming language, but for simple little apps things that you wanted to put together in an hour or 2, or presentations, it couldn't be beat (excel will always eat hypercard's dust).
There used to be a lot of freeware around. People also used to swap various hypercard stacks around and hacks that added features to hypercard (think excel, but much much cooler, a sort of graphical scripting language, but actually cool for the time, especially if you weren't a programmer, but there was fun stuff for programmers in it too).
I used to see a bit of source swapping and such going on as far as actual programs were concerned. There was always a bit of, "this is mine, I wrote it, I'm not going to enforce the fee, but it's there" penis-size contest going on there too, which a lot of people would be reluctant to give up, but all and all, I would think that there will eventually be a strong vein of mack open source hackers. Of course, the issue of the closed platform has always been what sort of drove hackers away from the platform. I like my PC because there is a lot more freedom for me to tinker with it. Even now, yeah, there's more slots, more hardware is supported, it's not quite like being able to say, "this board, this processor, this drive, and I'll put it all together over-night." Even the trouble that people have gotten into for extending the macintosh has driven many away. I must say, I love the SMP performance in the newer processors, but the Mac developers have never been a real, "Open up our box and screw with it," kind of team.
Goodness. I bet that those kids feel really 1337 too. "Look ma, I downloaded a script and killed some astronauts." "I learned all of my 1337 hacking from www.scriptkiddie.com, I downloaded this program and..."
*Dungeon Dweller smacks the script kiddie population*
They are certainly right to be the most concerned about Europa, since the probabilty that life is significantly higher than most places. Think about how cool a mission to Europa would be too.
A specially designed space probe lands on the surface of ice covering the ocean and drills (or slams through the ice, much more dramatic). Water is extracted into a sterile vessel, and shot back up and sent to earth for examination.
How cool would a manned mission to space, into another planet, into an artic region, and then underwater be?
No, I'd be fine issuing Crusoe laptops, but the market always gravitates towards having the most powerful processors available. The Intel chips that can outperform the Crusoe (though not power consumptionwise) will be in laptops by the time the Crusoe laptops are selling. That's what I mean. Everybody is going to want to run Windows 2000, which has features that are a pain in the ass even on my 733 at work. Add to that the additional bog from the crap that most users load on their computers and the high res screensavers that come with 2000, and suddenly your Crusoe starts to be treading on thin ice.
Also, this chip runs pretty darn cool and on low power. If you can pop a chip that powerful into a palm device, why would you prefer to put it in a huge laptop? If I can carry a computer as powerful as a laptop in my pocket, why would I want to carry it in a briefcase?
Even pulling 20K/sec, it takes about a day for me to download Linux ISO's, that's the server side's lag, not mine. I could hardly picture downloading the next generation DVD software on a connection like that.
It also doesn't account for the meat-world documentation that comes with it.
No offense to your solution though, I always update linux like that, but I like to have the newest CD's for installs up at school:-)
Yeah, it's a fat pipe, but not the kind that one would play games on due to the extremely high latency that such a system would entail. Each one of those lines has a nice separate address, nice separate lag. Supposing that you want to be treated as one IP, you need a server on the other side that supports that. Otherwise, you have a lot of small pipes. TCP/IP was built for systems that do this sort of stuff, but major bogging would kill this for any kind of gaming.
Well, a lot of software comes with big manuals. It is difficult to shelf little CD cases next to big monster boxes. Also, multi-disk titles will have to have larger boxes. I'm not sure of a fix for this situation, other than the fact that MOST software fits on CD's, or could have electronic documentation, thereby saving on space, the environment, and so forth. Of course, people will probably make the electronic docs way bigger in file size than they need to (sorta like, video explainations of how to use a text editor, you know?)
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I think that the emphasis on having computers in the classroom is a bit too high. I think that people go out of their ways to find ways to put computers in every classroom. If there isn't really a reason for the computer, I don't see a reason to put it there. That's the case in most high schools. Some colleges dump ethernet jacks into every classroom. Sometimes this is useful, sometimes it isn't.
One interesting thought. I'm a computer science major. Most of my lectures are taught in rooms without computers (at least, not ones that we are really using). They get the concepts along fine without them as well. True, that means that I have to spend a few hours a week in a computer lab to get my assignments done, but what use would the computers be? If I'm in a math class learning Big-O notation, I could see a computer demo helping with the concepts (graphs and such), but if I'm a computer science major, and don't find it NECESSARY, I can hardly see how it is even applicable in most high school classrooms. I can see computers helping out a LOT, I can see how my classes are MUCH improved by their use, but when people are just saying, "Yeah, and we need a computer because computers are cool." It's kind of pointless.
Also, teachers should concentrate on actually teaching their students what they need to know. If computers are helping this, cool. Don't just have them sit and chat on ICQ during your lecture though, it's not productive. The only thing that that might help is the students who need a little distraction during your lecture. They might as well be reading a newspaper and ignoring you completely.
Anyways, just a few thoughts, use them if you can, but don't force it if it's useless.
What world are you from, most of the newer systems come with some version of unix on them. Besides, I didn't say that linux was the way to go, you assumed that. Competition is a good thing. Guess what, windows isn't the end all to be all. Most serious R&D is done under something else. Ever seen a massively parallel supercomputer running NT?
The benefit of Crusoe being power consumption, I just don't see any IBM products, other than their laptops that could benefit.
Crusoe definately has the PIII beat in power consumption. That is for sure. I would have to say if I needed something that lasts for the long haul, it would be a crusoe, also, if I need it cool running and light. I still like to pack a fast processor in my laptops.
Crusoe will be great for handhelds. I can see where IBM is coming from.
Of course, x86 is a bit of a dinosaur, eventually the world is going to make the switch to a different processor. It is about time for x86 to move out and something new to come in. I think that the major holdoff on this is due to M$. The whole wintel stranglehold is a bit much to overcome. The real key to moving away from them is to get a device that is neither in popular demand, and that will take some doing. You won't only have to be better, you'll have to be DAMN better, and charge only slightly more (if you charge $500 more, people will think that you're the best, if you charge $1000 more, people will think that you're too expensive, if you charge less, people will think that you have to just to move your product).
That isn't scary. I've seen scarier things on the flag, being from a very patriotic area. What I find scarier is that people are actually willing to sign up for this because they lack the logic to see that competition is a good thing. The abundance of stupid people in the world frightens me. I think that it was best said in a song "The World's on Heroine" - All
Yeah, either MS or the uninformed masses. I'm pretty sure that most of the people out there with CS degrees who are practicing computer science aren't sitting there thinking "Damn, all of that innovative stuff at M$, NOOO!!"
Cool, I'm not sure I get the wording. Are they saying that a key escrow is still mandatory? It's good to see that they are allowing 128 bit, but only 56 for international. Hrmm, still, definately progress over the truly severe registration they used to have.
"France's laws on privacy are very strict and in a world where one's rights of privacy are being challanged all the time, it's good to see one country taking a stand."
Yeah, and encryption is so tightly regulated there that nobody can keep a secret. So, they seem to want to at least be able to listen in.
As Marty of LinuxToday puts it, though, "What does this mean? In the real world, probably not as much as it would seem. Benchmarks in general are typically set up in an ideal environment. Real world environments tend to be quite different. However, this does indicate that Linux is moving in the right direction."
I can't believe that people are sitting here saying "yeah, but this isn't the real world." Ok, no offense guys, I actually can believe it.
In Big-O notation, any scalar factor is neglible, it's factors like powers of the algorithm that arent, but this ain't an algorithm, this is a server.
If you haven't noticed, Win2K makes my computer at work crawl by relation to my computer at home... And my computer at work is MUCH faster. Trust me.
It beat Win 2k THREEFOLD. I don't care WHAT your real world situation is, THREEFOLD is a LOT. If it does THREEFOLD, that means that daggonit, it's probably going to be faster in "real world" situations too. Wake up and smell the coffee. Win 2K isn't the holy grail of computing. Linux isn't either, but it's serving 3 TIMES AS FAST, which is significant, unless the skew the benchmarks they were also running 50 copies of photoshop...
I can always use more reading material.
Steve is a real visionary. I've read about him, and seen a lot of his stuff. I might not know him personally, but if there was someone that I would want to work with for a few days, it would be him. He might not have been popular with a few people (fired from Apple), but man, NEXT was really... good. I'm glad he's back with Apple. Now, the fruit flavored macs might be aimed at a different kind of user, but I can see the concept and the marketting. Other stuff that Apple is doing is real great, we just get hung up on some of the stuff that they do that we consider to be "goofy shit" and the relatively aggressive stance that they take with their platform (usually).
With all due respect. Myst is great and all, but I could envision putting that together in hypercard much more than I could say... Quake. All in all, I love hypercard (believe it or not, I've written a lot in it, even fairly complex programs. Still, there will be A HIT. I'm not for ANY sacrifice when processor time is essential.
Well, I wouldn't use it to replace apps that I would write in a full power programming language, but for simple little apps things that you wanted to put together in an hour or 2, or presentations, it couldn't be beat (excel will always eat hypercard's dust).
There used to be a lot of freeware around. People also used to swap various hypercard stacks around and hacks that added features to hypercard (think excel, but much much cooler, a sort of graphical scripting language, but actually cool for the time, especially if you weren't a programmer, but there was fun stuff for programmers in it too).
I used to see a bit of source swapping and such going on as far as actual programs were concerned. There was always a bit of, "this is mine, I wrote it, I'm not going to enforce the fee, but it's there" penis-size contest going on there too, which a lot of people would be reluctant to give up, but all and all, I would think that there will eventually be a strong vein of mack open source hackers. Of course, the issue of the closed platform has always been what sort of drove hackers away from the platform. I like my PC because there is a lot more freedom for me to tinker with it. Even now, yeah, there's more slots, more hardware is supported, it's not quite like being able to say, "this board, this processor, this drive, and I'll put it all together over-night." Even the trouble that people have gotten into for extending the macintosh has driven many away. I must say, I love the SMP performance in the newer processors, but the Mac developers have never been a real, "Open up our box and screw with it," kind of team.
Yeah, something like that.
You know what I mean.
But /. often gets it right.
Goodness. I bet that those kids feel really 1337 too. "Look ma, I downloaded a script and killed some astronauts." "I learned all of my 1337 hacking from www.scriptkiddie.com, I downloaded this program and..."
*Dungeon Dweller smacks the script kiddie population*
Toss the jar in a containment facility and let bunny suits who bathe in acid poke at the ice cube and I don't see the problem.
They are certainly right to be the most concerned about Europa, since the probabilty that life is significantly higher than most places. Think about how cool a mission to Europa would be too.
A specially designed space probe lands on the surface of ice covering the ocean and drills (or slams through the ice, much more dramatic). Water is extracted into a sterile vessel, and shot back up and sent to earth for examination.
How cool would a manned mission to space, into another planet, into an artic region, and then underwater be?
And they are supposed to do what? HTTP all of the data? WVU just has their hosts.conf file set up properly, doesn't that make a bit more sense?
No, I'd be fine issuing Crusoe laptops, but the market always gravitates towards having the most powerful processors available. The Intel chips that can outperform the Crusoe (though not power consumptionwise) will be in laptops by the time the Crusoe laptops are selling. That's what I mean. Everybody is going to want to run Windows 2000, which has features that are a pain in the ass even on my 733 at work. Add to that the additional bog from the crap that most users load on their computers and the high res screensavers that come with 2000, and suddenly your Crusoe starts to be treading on thin ice.
Also, this chip runs pretty darn cool and on low power. If you can pop a chip that powerful into a palm device, why would you prefer to put it in a huge laptop? If I can carry a computer as powerful as a laptop in my pocket, why would I want to carry it in a briefcase?
I thought that most didn't support that. I thought that I mentioned an "unless," oh well, at any rate, it is time for me to change isp's.
Even pulling 20K/sec, it takes about a day for me to download Linux ISO's, that's the server side's lag, not mine. I could hardly picture downloading the next generation DVD software on a connection like that.
:-)
It also doesn't account for the meat-world documentation that comes with it.
No offense to your solution though, I always update linux like that, but I like to have the newest CD's for installs up at school
Yeah, it's a fat pipe, but not the kind that one would play games on due to the extremely high latency that such a system would entail. Each one of those lines has a nice separate address, nice separate lag. Supposing that you want to be treated as one IP, you need a server on the other side that supports that. Otherwise, you have a lot of small pipes. TCP/IP was built for systems that do this sort of stuff, but major bogging would kill this for any kind of gaming.
Well, a lot of software comes with big manuals. It is difficult to shelf little CD cases next to big monster boxes. Also, multi-disk titles will have to have larger boxes. I'm not sure of a fix for this situation, other than the fact that MOST software fits on CD's, or could have electronic documentation, thereby saving on space, the environment, and so forth. Of course, people will probably make the electronic docs way bigger in file size than they need to (sorta like, video explainations of how to use a text editor, you know?)