No it doesn't. The first thing they'll check is whether or not the client is receiving different keys than the notaries; if everything's in agreement, I can't imagine it'd throw a warning about that. People do change their certs for legitimate reasons, after all...
The long term success or failure of Microsoft is not relevant to the case? What are you, crazy? I have read up on Antitrust law, and I pretty much think its a lot of bunk. The pure fact of the matter is, if someone wants to put MS out of business in what I'd consider an ethical matter (and don't give me the 'your opinion doesn't matter' spiel, these are threads, all we care about here are people's opinions), they should come up with a better product, and people will use it. Its the same thing that happened with Intel/AMD; Intel's had a lock on the cpu market for years, but as soon as AMD came out with a processor which actually rivaled pentiumIII's.... tada, OEM's started using them.
I've read/. for long enough to know that the vast, vast majority of people on here are devoted linux junkies. The kind of responses I'm seeing on here to the MS case is exactly what I'd expect from such a group of people. Come up with a better product, put it on the market, and I guarantee that OEMs will start using it; and if it is indeed a better product, they aren't going to worry about getting put out of business.
Oh, and from now on, if you want to insult me repeatedly with no other point to your posts... at least have the guts to sign in, alright? Yeah, thanks.
Why was this moderated to offtopic? I think this is a really good point, OS's that want to compete with Windows XX should try to gain a hold on the market through the quality of their product, not through idiotic lawsuits attacking a corporation, without which the IT industry would be years less advanced.
This whole IE business just drives me insane, doesn't anyone else realize how silly it sounds for the DoJ to say "Sure, you can make this OS, you have a right to do that, but try to incorporate your *own* browser with it.... then, THEN we've got you! Haha!" I think binarybits had a very good point waaaay back at the beginning of these posts: alternatives are out there. If an OEM doesn't feel it wants to ship IE with its computers, well fine, don't ship them with Windows. As I recall Dell is marketing some computers these days that come with Linux pre-packaged, so what's the problem?
Also, should someone experience the god-awful horror of buying a computer with IE included on it... what's the simple solution? Download Netscape (it's free, you see), install it, launch it, and when it asks if you want to make it your default browser... SAY YES.
I just wish people would get off Microsoft's back about this... I mean, in reality, you're persecuting a company for being TOO effective of a competitor; if these alleged incidents with MS and Netscape actually took place and MS was threatening Netscape, yadda yadda, now that I certainly don't approve of. However, if you're saying that they should be broken up or penalized in whatever way is the flavor of the day, simply because they control too much of the market... well, fine. You make a better product and start selling it, I'm sure the 'evil empire' will crumble within a few quarters.
It's a most excellent series, isn't it? I'm rather impatiently awaiting book #4, just finished Mountain of Black Glass yesterday. Sigh. Hurry up, Tad! Between you, Robert Jordan, and Melanie Rawn, I'm going to have a nervous breakdown:) -Mierdaan
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No it doesn't. The first thing they'll check is whether or not the client is receiving different keys than the notaries; if everything's in agreement, I can't imagine it'd throw a warning about that. People do change their certs for legitimate reasons, after all...
From the project's website:
"Q: But what if an attacker takes over all paths to the destination? ...
A: Perspectives actually keeps a record of the keys used by a service over time. "
The long term success or failure of Microsoft is not relevant to the case? What are you, crazy? I have read up on Antitrust law, and I pretty much think its a lot of bunk. The pure fact of the matter is, if someone wants to put MS out of business in what I'd consider an ethical matter (and don't give me the 'your opinion doesn't matter' spiel, these are threads, all we care about here are people's opinions), they should come up with a better product, and people will use it. Its the same thing that happened with Intel/AMD; Intel's had a lock on the cpu market for years, but as soon as AMD came out with a processor which actually rivaled pentiumIII's.... tada, OEM's started using them.
/. for long enough to know that the vast, vast majority of people on here are devoted linux junkies. The kind of responses I'm seeing on here to the MS case is exactly what I'd expect from such a group of people. Come up with a better product, put it on the market, and I guarantee that OEMs will start using it; and if it is indeed a better product, they aren't going to worry about getting put out of business.
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Oh, and from now on, if you want to insult me repeatedly with no other point to your posts... at least have the guts to sign in, alright? Yeah, thanks.
-Mierdaan
Why was this moderated to offtopic? I think this is a really good point, OS's that want to compete with Windows XX should try to gain a hold on the market through the quality of their product, not through idiotic lawsuits attacking a corporation, without which the IT industry would be years less advanced.
This whole IE business just drives me insane, doesn't anyone else realize how silly it sounds for the DoJ to say "Sure, you can make this OS, you have a right to do that, but try to incorporate your *own* browser with it.... then, THEN we've got you! Haha!" I think binarybits had a very good point waaaay back at the beginning of these posts: alternatives are out there. If an OEM doesn't feel it wants to ship IE with its computers, well fine, don't ship them with Windows. As I recall Dell is marketing some computers these days that come with Linux pre-packaged, so what's the problem?
Also, should someone experience the god-awful horror of buying a computer with IE included on it... what's the simple solution? Download Netscape (it's free, you see), install it, launch it, and when it asks if you want to make it your default browser... SAY YES.
I just wish people would get off Microsoft's back about this... I mean, in reality, you're persecuting a company for being TOO effective of a competitor; if these alleged incidents with MS and Netscape actually took place and MS was threatening Netscape, yadda yadda, now that I certainly don't approve of. However, if you're saying that they should be broken up or penalized in whatever way is the flavor of the day, simply because they control too much of the market... well, fine. You make a better product and start selling it, I'm sure the 'evil empire' will crumble within a few quarters.
-Mierdaan
It's a most excellent series, isn't it? I'm rather impatiently awaiting book #4, just finished Mountain of Black Glass yesterday. Sigh. Hurry up, Tad! Between you, Robert Jordan, and Melanie Rawn, I'm going to have a nervous breakdown :) -Mierdaan